Rivens are flawed.

[Redeminem]

Rivens. This is the topic I wish to bring to your attention. At first I thought it added to the game, and I cant lie I love the idea of rivens. You can really have a unique build on a weapon that no one else has. I think its a very good idea. However, I believe they were made in the wrong way. First of all how are you going to make a disposition on rivens based on a popularity system instead of assessing the numbers and analyzing yourself how it SHOULD be in the game. Basically what that is telling me is that you are not doing your job efficiently and effectively. This second one may be just an opinion on my end, but what gives you the right to go in and change the stats on a riven I.. ME... MYSELF rolled 80+ times to get the stats I desired because the RE ROLLING SYSTEM IS FLAWED. If you want to change the stats on the actual weapon I agree it is your game and you should do what you believe is fair for the weapon you made. But when I spend 50 or more hours rolling for a riven for a weapon I like just have to you come in and nerf it to where its not usable anymore is absurd. In my opinion if you want to change stats on rivens make it to where farming kuva is actually efficient... and for god sakes make another damn map i can farm it on cause Taveuni looks like it was created by an over-imaginative 9 year old who copped the 2 for 5 doubleshot starbuck deal.  

Edited July 7, 2019 by D20

[LascarCapable]

Title edited for clarity.

[Nez-Kal]

You know what these posts remind me of? Those people you see on Facebook complaining up a storm that Facebook DARED to use one of their comments or posts on the site in an advertisement or commercial use of some kind.....even though they ALL checked off the "I Agree with Terms and Conditions" box in the very beginning.

Look, we ALL knew what we were getting into when we got into Rivens. Grow up already. (You're like those other folks that DEMAND DE change World on Fire back to the way it was because they purchased the Ember Prime pack believing her powers would stay exactly the same forever and shouldn't have been changed.)


PS: I've owned a sweat and blood rolled Arca Plasmor Riven that I have been watching slowly sink into nothingness, nerf after nerf, so.....yeah, I get it. I feel you.....but just stop.

[(XBOX)Demon Intellect]

4 minutes ago, Tangent-Valley said:

You know what these posts remind me of? Those people you see on Facebook complaining up a storm that Facebook DARED to use one of their comments or posts on the site in an advertisement or commercial use of some kind.....even though they ALL checked off the "I Agree with Terms and Conditions" box in the very beginning.

Look, we ALL knew what we were getting into when we got into Rivens. Grow up already. (You're like those other folks that DEMAND DE change World on Fire back to the way it was because they purchased the Ember Prime pack believing her powers would stay exactly the same forever and shouldn't have been changed.)


PS: I've owned a sweat and blood rolled Arca Plasmor Riven that I have been watching slowly sink into nothingness, nerf after nerf, so.....yeah, I get it. I feel you.....but just stop.

So you think ember is in a good state now? Personally I'd rather see them made super popular weapons the lowest possible disposition and then start buffing them rather than watch my rubico riven get nerfed 3 times in a row.

[YazMatazO]

I will wait and see if that Shaku or Tonbo rivens will ever get nerfed. Or that Sobek or Stubba. 

[Nez-Kal]

1 minute ago, YazMatazO said:

I will wait and see if that Shaku or Tonbo rivens will ever get nerfed. Or that Sobek or Stubba. 

I own 3x Tonbo Rivens, One Main, the others for "Possible Melee 3.0 Builds", and I'm actually fearful Tonbo Prime might come out with Nezha Prime access in the next year or so....

[ExcaliburUmbra]

I would have preferred it if Rivens were customizable mods. You would be able to use Kuva to invest into stats of your choice and level them up. The more powerful the stat/amount of stats on the Riven, the higher the Kuva cost for each action regarding that Riven. Disposition would determine the upper limit of the stat effects similar to how it works currently.

This would keep the “endgame-player timesink” aspect while also removing RNG from the equation.

28 minutes ago, Redeminem said:

First of all how are you going to make a disposition on rivens based on a popularity system instead of assessing the numbers and analyzing yourself how it SHOULD be in the game.   

Have you read any of the recent Riven workshops lately? DE isn’t just balancing based on popularity anymore. They are also using an “internal power ranking” to determine disposition, with the end goal seeming to be the eventual stabilizing of dispositions.

[George_PPS]

DE is very disrespectful about players time and efforts put into the  Rivens.  Please also go to Feedback - Weapons. There is a post about Riven enthusiasts and stop nerfing Rivens. DE only read those in the feedback section. 

*The more correct title for your post should be “the Riven disposition adjustment is flawed”. 

 

[JackHargreav]

Thank god! I was worried that no one ever would make a post about rivens being flawed. It's been like thousands of years ago since anyone mentioned it.

 

[trst]

And you spent all that time and effort on rolling them when it has been an established fact that they can and will change.

Don't like it then go make some proper well-constructed feedback explaining why it's flawed and how your suggestions would improve the system for the game and players. Complaining into GD isn't going to help anyone.

[SerpentorPrime]

Adjective

riven (not comparable)

1. Torn apart.
2. Broken into pieces; split asunder.

yes i agree rivens are broken 😛

[Lutesque]

Rivens ? 

LoL.... the whole Modding System is flawed....

[Gravitus123]

Honestly its just unncessary work for DE why did they force themselves into constantly changing dispositions instead just base it on the weapons actual stats and leave it.Maybe because changing dispositions often raises and lowers prices for certains rivens which keeps people buying and trading them so they earn more money consistently hmm.

Everyone knows the riven system is bad but no matter how many discussions come up DE arent doing anything about it because 

a:they dont care and think the system works fine for what it is

or b:theyre too focused on new stuff 

Rivens should be based on weapon stats and have more unique effects like amalgam mods not just +stats,they shouldnt be tradeable because they turned the trade chat into a garbage pit plus all the scammers and they should be rewards from other content not just random drops from sorties

[Ahniar]

<annoying noises> ._.

More riven-shenanigans... Deep down I wish they would just remove those things. Or make them modular mods we could add stats as we see fit instead of the RNG mess they are now. (or have them be a base we could use to fuse 2 regular mods into...) 

Some randomness can be fun, too much of it creates more problems than any person/corporation can solve. (the black market is strong with this one) 😛

Cheers 

[Acceletra]

i wouldnt be so mad about rerolling if they fixed kuva farming. 

[(PSN)jaggerwanderer]

My Rubico Prime Critical Chance dropped from 123% to 120%. It's so unfair. Now I can't one shot limbs anymore. I have to two shot them which takes time, which takes effort, which no one want to utilize for virtual loot.

[Tinklzs]

Personally I think rivens should be restructured. Firstly establish a powerceiling game-wide for warframes/weapons alike. Once that is done, and frames have their positions/roles to fill, we look at rivens and their raw powercreep.  Change rivens to not be raw damage based anymore, and instead on utility or changing how the weapon works (since the rest of the game would be far more balanced in this scenario, it wouldn't matter if your precious rubico riven could one or two shot a limb anymore, because the meta has shifted).

 

So yeah, rivens are bad - they make us even more laughably overpowered than we need to be, (able to kill 165-200s in a few seconds, and level 110s in a fraction of that time) since the highest 'normal' enemy we encounter is during sorties at level 110. So, yeah. We already overkill things many times over, I think rivens should be redesigned to change how the weapon works, giving it new abilities/utility rather than raw damage.

And while it does suck when a riven gets nerfed, oh well  - life goes on. Your weapon will be fine even without its riven, and if it's one of a handful of weapons that *needs* a riven to be sortie viable, then there is at least 1 other weapon similar. Unless it's the stug, nothing is like the stug.

[Tinklzs]

2 hours ago, Ahniar said:

<annoying noises> ._.

More riven-shenanigans... Deep down I wish they would just remove those things. Or make them modular mods we could add stats as we see fit instead of the RNG mess they are now. (or have them be a base we could use to fuse 2 regular mods into...) 

Some randomness can be fun, too much of it creates more problems than any person/corporation can solve. (the black market is strong with this one) 😛

Cheers 

It makes them way to much in platinum sales to get rid of (especially when some rivens can sell for hundreds or thousands of dollars worth of plat).

I've advocated for rivens to be custom weapon augments, rather than the stat sticks that they're now. I like the idea of them being a catalyst to fuse other mods together, but that would need a mod system overhaul - so it might be an issue, but a nice idea nonetheless.

 

[Aldain]

[kwlingo]

I agree they should not change your rivens, but the disposition change works well. I believe Riven's are made because most looter shooter games you get random weapon stats. DE changed it where everyone gets the same weapons but now its up to you to decide if you can make it any better with random stats from mods. Who knows maybe next year other weapons will come out and your favorite weapon will have a 5/5  disposition because they change the way the weapon performs and not many people us it anymore. Many weapons that were once God-like are just thrown to the curve now.

[(XBOX)zThulsaDoomz]

Rivens flawed???