Why were none of the Warframes featured in the CGI flashback, Prime?

[InterrobangTF2]

Weren't all Warframes during the time of the old war their Prime counterparts?

Edited July 8, 2019 by Jackal_Off

[NightmareT12]

It happens right before they go to cryosleep, and by that time the Tenno ditched, for reasons unknown, the Orokin weaponry.

[(PSN)Hikuro-93]

I guess so, or they were already regular due to the Tenno rebelling and having to make their own (inferior) versions. But that's the lore part.

In terms of the game and business I also guess it'd make sense to use the regular versions that are completely free, rather than make an audience expect all the gold and glitter from the get-go. Not only that, they are the very same frames you can choose when you start.

So it makes sense. Specially if you think about Excal Prime being among those CGI Prime starters.

Edited July 8, 2019 by (PS4)Hikuro-93

[--F--NerevarCM]

4 minutes ago, Jackal_Off said:

Weren't all Warframes during the time of the old war their Prime counterparts?

Not all Warframes in the Old War were Primes. The Primes are pretty much the first prototypes/designs. Designed by Ballas and his team. After that, probably they used mass produced versions. The normal Warframes.

[(XBOX)Knight Raime]

There is nothing to indicate that the combat sequences we see in the prime trailer is taking place during the old war.

[NightmareT12]

1 minute ago, (XB1)Knight Raime said:

There is nothing to indicate that the combat sequences we see in the prime trailer is taking place during the old war.

Literally the Grineer are using Orokin armor and are less degraded and there's an army of Dax Soldiers. And right afterwards they go to sleep. That's because it's after they killed the Orokin. Right after if DE's old pre Update 10 concept is still in place.

 

2 minutes ago, -OP-NerevarCM said:

Not all Warframes in the Old War were Primes. The Primes are pretty much the first prototypes/designs. Designed by Ballas and his team. After that, probably they used mass produced versions. The normal Warframes.

No, and DE has it explained here: https://warframe.com/news/primes-and-prime-access

Primes are the ones Orokin made and the rest is reverse engineered by the other factions, including the Tenno.

[rand0mname]

6 минут назад, (PS4)Hikuro-93 сказал:

Specially if you think about Excal Prime being among those CGI Prime starters.

Oh boy, the resurgence of “Rerelease Excalibur Prime” crowd with the “He was in a trailer” reasoning would be something to behold.

DE dodged a bullet here.

[(XBOX)Demon Intellect]

8 minutes ago, (XB1)Knight Raime said:

There is nothing to indicate that the combat sequences we see in the prime trailer is taking place during the old war.

You mean aside from the grineer not being degraded? Or all the Dax they were fighting? Yep totally nothing supporting that idea.

[(PSN)Hikuro-93]

7 minutes ago, NightmareT12 said:

Literally the Grineer are using Orokin armor and are less degraded and there's an army of Dax Soldiers.

I remember seeing the ship at the beginning, thinking "that grineer PoE ship seems too shiny. Is that gold?" Then I saw the armor of the grineer and thought it may be high ranking Grineer. But well, high ranking Grineer are red and black (Kuva). Then I saw the Dax warriors. Then came the "Oh, so that's what it was" moment lmao

Edited July 8, 2019 by (PS4)Hikuro-93

[Loza03]

Primes were probably more expensive to make. This is near the end of the War, so then especially, the weapons that see the most use are the most cost-effective, not the best. Even with super-elites like the Tenno, there would be Budget Cuts. So the average Tenno would be using 'budget' Warframes.

[Chaemyerelis]

Not necessarily. Remember in the vitruvian ballas said they were initially failure and were all " put to grave" maybe those were the primes.

[Loza03]

7 minutes ago, Chaemyerelis said:

Not necessarily. Remember in the vitruvian ballas said they were initially failure and were all " put to grave" maybe those were the primes.

Those were the proto-frames used prior to Operators, ones with their own 'minds'.

[yles9056]

So turns out non-prime warframes exists during Orokin era.

Tenno nowadays are able to reverse engineer non-prime warframes, but not prime ones.

Edited July 8, 2019 by yles9056

[Chaemyerelis]

17 minutes ago, Loza03 said:

Those were the proto-frames used prior to Operators, ones with their own 'minds'.

Right, it could be that the primes were the ones with their own minds. Then they were destroyed and the non primes were made to work with the tenno. 🤷‍♂️ 

[Loza03]

3 minutes ago, Chaemyerelis said:

Right, it could be that the primes were the ones with their own minds. Then they were destroyed and the non primes were made to work with the tenno. 🤷‍♂️ 

Umbra is proof that the primes would put up much more of a fight when we recreate them and take control of them.

[CosmicSchwung]

If I had to guess I would say the flashbacks took place quite late into the conflict with the Orokin, and a combination of attrition and their inability to create more primes meant most tenno would be using the knockoffs by that point.

[Cepheus_Antollare]

40 minutes ago, Loza03 said:

Umbra is proof that the primes would put up much more of a fight when we recreate them and take control of them.

maybe the resources to create umbral frames were too high and primed frames without minds of their own were made to save resources... and by the end of the war the mass produced versions became the mainstay

[Loza03]

1 minute ago, Cepheus_Antollare said:

maybe the resources to create umbral frames were too high and primed frames without minds of their own were made to save resources... and by the end of the war the mass produced versions became the mainstay

That point is the crux of my argument as to why they aren't in the trailer.

1 hour ago, Loza03 said:

Primes were probably more expensive to make. This is near the end of the War, so then especially, the weapons that see the most use are the most cost-effective, not the best. Even with super-elites like the Tenno, there would be Budget Cuts. So the average Tenno would be using 'budget' Warframes.

 

[Horaciozhao]

Primes were orokin made, you can tell from all the golden designs. My guess, when tennos rebelled against orokin, they logically stopped producing prime frame for tennos. So tennos started to use their own modified  version. 

Edited July 8, 2019 by Horaciozhao

[Kingdom_key599]

3 hours ago, Jackal_Off said:

Weren't all Warframes during the time of the old war their Prime counterparts?

if my memory serves me correctly... i heard and read somewhere in the games lore that each squad back in the days of the old war consisted one prime and the rest normal variants, the primes served as the team leader of the squad.... or something.... 

if thats the case then you're assumption as to why there are no primes in the trailer could be correct, where is the prime part of this particular squad if there supposed to be here?

idk im just grasping at straws tbh it is a good point though...

Edited July 8, 2019 by Kingdom_key599
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[Zendar_Draconis]

I think the new Warframe introduction trailer should be seen as a dream montage since the narrator said something to that effect near the end and a lot of things like the three warframes turning into statues do not make sense with the lore (cryopods anyone?).

[(XBOX)Kavriel]

4 hours ago, Zendar_Draconis said:

I think the new Warframe introduction trailer should be seen as a dream montage since the narrator said something to that effect near the end and a lot of things like the three warframes turning into statues do not make sense with the lore (cryopods anyone?).

They don't turn into statues, they go inert and collect dust. Note when she wipes the Mag visor clean.

And they aren't primes because primes were Orokin tech, this is at the end of the Old War so the Tenno are on their own. If they had been primes, then the starters would be primes. We only get primes by salvaging their parts from pre-war relics.

[(PSN)Dishinshoryuken]

16 hours ago, NightmareT12 said:

Literally the Grineer are using Orokin armor and are less degraded and there's an army of Dax Soldiers. And right afterwards they go to sleep. That's because it's after they killed the Orokin. Right after if DE's old pre Update 10 concept is still in place.

 

No, and DE has it explained here: https://warframe.com/news/primes-and-prime-access

Primes are the ones Orokin made and the rest is reverse engineered by the other factions, including the Tenno.

This has always made me think....gilded as in put some gold on it and call it better?

Then we got the Modular weapons which we gild to get more power out of them....and if you put the idea together....

Umbra says there are versions out there that are better than Primes on a different design. The Silver Grove says there are different versions of the frames out there that might have been before the Orokin Primes were introduced to give the masses of citizens heroes to look at in awe.

Yes, the Primes are not woken up in since they are either A) have some fail-safes against bring used on their makers and crew or 2) these are the frames that were at the end of the War that survived?

Any way you look at it, the Primes are more of a status symbol for players than anything we have seen in game universe yet. Only one we have seen is Mag Prime in the comic somewhere bleeding out in space.

[Lost_Cartographer]

Primes are more the elite Warframes.  Likely distinguished individuals that proved themselves better than the rest.

For the most part though, the Warframe lore largely avoids acknowledging that primes exist.

[Plushy]

Maybe they aren't prime warframes because the Tenno were able to create reverse engineered frames by that point in the war. They had the orbiter and the foundry in it and it's not like they could just walk into a orokin mega store and get some shiny new weapons and frames free of charge, since they were at war and all.