PC Players and Cross-Proggresion, Let's Chat

[(NSW)EpiL0N]

I've been searching forums almost every other day for updates on the topic. One thing I noticed is that a majority of PC players are pretty hostile towards posts asking about cross-progression. 

I started WF on switch and never thought I would put 900 hours into game starting out. I got a capable PC and being able to play on PC would be a dream now that I have invested into the game. I like many others dont want to throw away the work to start from scratch. But any mention of cross-progression seems to met with attitude. Why? What is it about having more players joining the PC community that puts people on edge here? 

I know they have spoke about it. I know it may be years. I'm patient, I can wait with the knowledge it's on their radar as stated in dev stream 128. I'm not asking where it is, or giving solutions to how it can be done.

I'm simply wondering why the topic seems to trigger many of the PC players that respond to those type of posts. 

Let's chat. I want to hear and understand those concerns.

[Radagosh]

Never seen anyone getting triggered by this. I'd personally love buying tennoskins on consoles with my pc plat instead of buying it for 5 bucks each from steam.

[Swagernator22663]

I don't like how everyone is forcing DE to cross "anything" idea. There are more important things for them to focus on.

Edited July 10, 2019 by Swagernator22663

[Gabbynaru]

Honestly, only idiots would oppose this. There's no drawbacks from cross-platform progression, only benefits. So, for what it's worth, I'm all for it.

[IntheCoconut]

Having matching launch dates for Nightwave S2 is a small step in the right direction, so there's that but we're still really far from cross-platform play. They've said they want to do it, but the question is can they do it? If they are ever able to synch up patches and major content releases, then we'll be even closer. But sadly, consoles still have to wait weeks after PC, which tells me DE just doesn't have the resources to pull it off right now.

[MajesticPinecone]

not hostile more like tired of people asking for it, instead of realizing the console owners sony/nintendo/microsoft wouldn't willingly let a customers wallet go.

why would they let you play on another device and spend money on that instead of locking you in and forcing you to spend money on their console instead?

the only reason epic can do this on certain games is they are that spoiled rich kid throwing their money around trying to make friends.

[MagPrime]

11 minutes ago, (NSW)EpiL0N said:

I've been searching forums almost every other day for updates on the topic. One thing I noticed is that a majority of PC players are pretty hostile towards posts asking about cross-progression. 

I started WF on switch and never thought I would put 900 hours into game starting out. I got a capable PC and being able to play on PC would be a dream now that I have invested into the game. I like many others dont want to throw away the work to start from scratch. But any mention of cross-progression seems to met with attitude. Why? What is it about having more players joining the PC community that puts people on edge here? 

I know they have spoke about it. I know it may be years. I'm patient, I can wait with the knowledge it's on their radar as stated in dev stream 128. I'm not asking where it is, or giving solutions to how it can be done.

I'm simply wondering why the topic seems to trigger many of the PC players that respond to those type of posts. 

Let's chat. I want to hear and understand those concerns.

The only valid concerns is the slow down of updates and hotfixes.  Not sure how else to expand on that tbh

I'm 100% for crossplay and crossprogression and am willing to sacrifice update frequency for it.

[AncientWendigo]

As a PC player who wants cross-play or cross-progress as well, I can think of two reasons. First would be that PC gets certain updates before console, and they don't want to lose the feeling of superiority that brings. More practically, everyone has their pet issues they want fixed, and if DE works on cross-platform then they won't be working on bringing back raids/fixing Eidelon bugs/primary kitguns etc.  (I'd rather have cross-platform than any of those) 

[(PSN)WetPollito]

Just now, MajesticPinecone said:

not hostile more like tired of people asking for it, instead of realizing the console owners sony/nintendo/microsoft wouldn't willingly let a customers wallet go.

why would they let you play on another device and spend money on that instead of locking you in and forcing you to spend money on their console instead?

the only reason epic can do this on certain games is they are that spoiled rich kid throwing their money around trying to make friends.

Destiny 2 will do , so why cant warframe do that?..... maybe bc DE doesnt want to talk seriusly with Sony/microsft mafia!

[Dhrekr]

12 minutes ago, (NSW)EpiL0N said:

One thing I noticed is that a majority of PC players are pretty hostile towards posts asking about cross-progression. 

No one is hostile against the idea.

But these threads are just an absolute pain. It's been discussed. We all agree. The devs acknowledged and said they are working on this.

 

Can we stop these useless threads now? There is absolutely nothing that can or needs to be said.

[(PSN)LeBlingKing]

3 minutes ago, Dhrekr said:

No one is hostile against the idea.

But these threads are just an absolute pain. It's been discussed. We all agree. The devs acknowledged and said they are working on this.

 

Can we stop these useless threads now? There is absolutely nothing that can or needs to be said.

[Swagernator22663]

6 minutes ago, MagPrime said:

and am willing to sacrifice update frequency for it.

Update frequency was already sacrificed for something else, we dont know what was it. So now for this they need to sacrifice something else again.

[FlusteredFerret]

22 minutes ago, (NSW)EpiL0N said:

I've been searching forums almost every other day for updates on the topic. One thing I noticed is that a majority of PC players are pretty hostile towards posts asking about cross-progression. 

I started WF on switch and never thought I would put 900 hours into game starting out. I got a capable PC and being able to play on PC would be a dream now that I have invested into the game. I like many others dont want to throw away the work to start from scratch. But any mention of cross-progression seems to met with attitude. Why? What is it about having more players joining the PC community that puts people on edge here? 

I know they have spoke about it. I know it may be years. I'm patient, I can wait with the knowledge it's on their radar as stated in dev stream 128. I'm not asking where it is, or giving solutions to how it can be done.

I'm simply wondering why the topic seems to trigger many of the PC players that respond to those type of posts. 

Let's chat. I want to hear and understand those concerns.

I haven't seen any hostility about it actually happening.

I've only seen folks getting pissed at people repeatedly asking this question when DE have already answered it. It gets tiresome seeing the same questions over and over...

Same thing with riven mod limits, dedicated servers, "endgame" and dozens of other subjects that have either been answered or discussed to death.

 

Edited July 10, 2019 by FlusteredFerret

[Loza03]

It might be possible if PC got an optional 'console build' version. Probably couldn't be made to cross-play with the main PC version, and obviously would be as behind as the consoles are, but whatever.

[trst]

The topic is so old and drawn out that they don't mean anything anymore. It's an issue that solely comes down to DE and the console companies.

Also there are two words to describe how it could impact pc players: certification process. Because of how the consoles handle updates there is a mandatory waiting period where the update needs to be approved for consoles. If cross progression required update parity then we can fully expect PC updates to be put on hold just so that the console build can get made and finish certification.

Then there are other questions as to what it would mean to console stability since parity would also remove PC from being the "beta testers" for consoles as well as what it could do to the in-game economy if anything could be traded. If items from one platform could be fully traded to another then you would quickly find it impossible to buy anything on console without buying plat through a PC coupon first.

There are also concerns over whether or not Microsoft, Sony, and/or Nintendo would even allow cross progression onto their competitors platforms; even if some games are exceptions we don't know if Warframe could also be one.

 

So really it's a topic that keeps getting brought up and nothing anyone says or does on the forums even matters for it. As well as it's something that potentially comes with a lot of strings attached that worry some players.

[EmberStar]

2 hours ago, MagPrime said:

The only valid concerns is the slow down of updates and hotfixes.  Not sure how else to expand on that tbh

I'm 100% for crossplay and crossprogression and am willing to sacrifice update frequency for it.

I'm not willing to sacrifice update frequency for a feature I don't need and won't use.  But if they were to (for example) just let PC players earn stuff and then unlock it on the other consoles as it became available, I'd be fine with that.

I personally have no real interest in crossplay.  I can see why it appeals to other people, but even the tiny number of people I know who do console gaming have no interest in Warframe.  (One is a "Destiny or death!" level fan of that game, and the other does Madden, racing games, FIFA, military shooters and some basketball game..  I suspect they might slightly like sports games.)  My experience with trying to introduce people to Warframe on PC is that I am the Touch of Death.  Almost every single person I've invited has bounced off the new player experience and quit in less than a month.  They're looking for a game, not a homework project, and they've all had zero interest in needing to study the wiki to come to grips with basic stuff like "Why is your gun doing a thousand points of damage and mine is only doing ten?"

[Shadow-Spawn]

It should have been done years ago - one of the main reasons why they haven't done it yet - they fear that it would cost them money.

When you fall in love with Warframe the first time - you will most likely buy some platinum to support the company while you rank up on your platform - when you are good on resources\frames\weapons\etc. and you have done most of all the other game content stuff. Now you find out that your long lost friend have been playing Warframe on a different platform for some time so you want to join - you have to start from scratch though, but you already kind of beat the game so it shouldn't be a problem to rank up on a new platform and you will most likely buy some more platinum to support the company.

That's it - DE wants you to do everything from scratch again because if you do it will most likely include more platinum buying - and it will keep you from burning yourself out by only doing endgame grinding - it prolongs your stay by making you start from scratch on a new platform.

[MagPrime]

3 minutes ago, EmberStar said:

I'm not willing to sacrifice update frequency for a feature I don't need and won't use.  But if they were to (for example) just let PC players earn stuff and then unlock it on the other consoles as it became available, I'd be fine with that.

This is something I've wondered about regarding platform transfers.  Players lose items because the console isn't up to date, so it's strange to me that they just straight up lose items instead of having them locked (like a MR lock) until that content is available on consoles.

I wouldn't be opposed to this, honestly.  I have a lot of friends on all 4 platforms and it's frustrating not being able to play with most of them because there is no crossplay.  Crossprogression would encourage me to spend more money, because I'd have access to 5+ years worth of items.  As it is, I've held off on buying the consoles I'd like to have because I don't want to start at MR0 again.

[(NSW)Badger]

2 hours ago, (NSW)EpiL0N said:

I've been searching forums almost every other day for updates on the topic. One thing I noticed is that a majority of PC players are pretty hostile towards posts asking about cross-progression. 

I started WF on switch and never thought I would put 900 hours into game starting out. I got a capable PC and being able to play on PC would be a dream now that I have invested into the game. I like many others dont want to throw away the work to start from scratch. But any mention of cross-progression seems to met with attitude. Why? What is it about having more players joining the PC community that puts people on edge here? 

I know they have spoke about it. I know it may be years. I'm patient, I can wait with the knowledge it's on their radar as stated in dev stream 128. I'm not asking where it is, or giving solutions to how it can be done.

I'm simply wondering why the topic seems to trigger many of the PC players that respond to those type of posts. 

Let's chat. I want to hear and understand those concerns.

as a fellow nintenno who also was surprised by how much I love this game this is an issue near to my heart. I have plenty of friends I'd play with if only we could play on the same platform. Cross-saves (or cross-progression or whatever) will save the game and make it last longer, even unto the end of the world (which is in about 10-20 years, or sooner if one of the methane deposits breaks free). I get why PC players get salty over seeing the same posts over and over, but for us nintenno this is all new, and we have not seen or had the discussion. To paraphrase Leyzar: "Please, if you're a veteran just have a little patience." 

But honestly, OP, I think that it is just seeing people asking for it that makes some folks mad. It's like when my stepson asks me the same question (he has ADHD and Borderline Personality Disorder) he asked me a week before. Its like: come on, man, were you even listening the last time. 

But yeah, I'm on every day for a few hours at least so drop me a line if you ever want to play. Us nintenno have to stick together until we can all just be tenno. Thanks for the post! 

[Helch0rn]

14 minutes ago, MagPrime said:

This is something I've wondered about regarding platform transfers.  Players lose items because the console isn't up to date, so it's strange to me that they just straight up lose items instead of having them locked (like a MR lock) until that content is available on consoles.

I think it was Steve that adressed this somewhere

what was said that basically the entries in the database for stuff not released yet would get some kind of tag that prevents the game from trying to load them and potentially crash.

When the games version would be updated to the corresponding version of the items they would become accessible again.

[MagPrime]

1 minute ago, Helch0rn said:

I think it was Steve that adressed this somewhere

what was said that basically the entries in the database for stuff not released yet would get some kind of tag that prevents the game from trying to load them and potentially crash.

When the games version would be updated to the corresponding version of the items they would become accessible again.

So players who weren't able to take certain Rivens or TennoGen items with them when they transferred, would be able to use them once the game caught up to that content?

[Helch0rn]

Just now, MagPrime said:

So players who weren't able to take certain Rivens or TennoGen items with them when they transferred, would be able to use them once the game caught up to that content?

no tennogen is excluded from transfer because the contract with steam said so. I guess it was the only way to get steam to agree to bring tennogen to console in the first place

 

Rivens, I don't know if it would be excluded. Rivens were not transferred to switch because it would have been bad for the in game economy but I don't know if this scenario would be applicable to cross progression. However, I am certain that Plat will be locked to the console it was purchased on to prevent people from exploiting sales/coupons and because Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo can be very territorial when someone tries to take away their revenue.

[(PSN)Hiero_Glyph]

3 hours ago, Radagosh said:

Never seen anyone getting triggered by this. I'd personally love buying tennoskins on consoles with my pc plat instead of buying it for 5 bucks each from steam.

That's the kicker though, there's no way DE would allow plat puchased on one platform to be spent on another. Each economy has its own sales and prices. For example, you could wait for a PC plat discount, come to consoles and buy all the Tennogen, then load up your PC account again. DE isn't stupid so they know how much gamers want to cheat the system.

Cross-progress is one thing but your plat would be locked for sure, unless you purchased it on that platform.

EDIT: Also, I don't want your dirty chargeback plat on consoles.

Edited July 10, 2019 by (PS4)Hiero_Glyph

[MagPrime]

6 minutes ago, Helch0rn said:

no tennogen is excluded from transfer because the contract with steam said so. I guess it was the only way to get steam to agree to bring tennogen to console in the first place

 

Rivens, I don't know if it would be excluded. Rivens were not transferred to switch because it would have been bad for the in game economy but I don't know if this scenario would be applicable to cross progression. However, I am certain that Plat will be locked to the console it was purchased on to prevent people from exploiting sales/coupons and because Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo can be very territorial when someone tries to take away their revenue.

Wait, I wouldn't get to take my plat?

...not sure I want to transfer if I lose all of it.

[Sayune]

I just wish I could keep farming on my Switch when I'm away from my PC T_T)