Make normal frames easier to get after they get a prime version

[PhantomRen]

Right now there are a lot of frames that are incredibly annoying and tedious to acquire. Frames that ask you to do missions that nobody plays anymore, or to do C rotations in very specific areas. It's not fair that these frames are so difficult to acquire, especially when they're going to get a prime variant eventually. And at that point, why would you bother getting the normal version over the prime version outside of mastery points? Primes are meant to be straight upgrades, that's how it's always been. There isn't a single prime frame out there that doesn't have increased health, shields, armor or energy compared to the original. All primes have at least one of their base stats increased compared to their regular variant, which is what makes them appealing. And prime frames are very easy to farm for. Here, let me show you something.

 

 

This took me roughly 7 days to get from scratch. I had 0 platinum and none of the components or relics for these when I decided I wanted these 8 frames. All of them were purchased with platinum. Now this might be hard to believe for some people, but making platinum in this game is easy. I'm not here to reveal all my secrets, but I can assure you that most of my efforts in acquiring these frames in such a short period of time were simply opening relics and selling prime parts. I did some radshares here and there but ultimately they all failed, except for one of Wukong Prime's components, which I had enough platinum to buy anyways. It also helps that prime frames are much cheaper nowadays. Prime warframe sets go as high as 100 to 200 platinum at most, and you can get them cheaper if you buy the parts individually. Even vaulted frames are cheap nowadays. But the reason why I'm showing you this isn't to brag, it's to prove a point. If I can get 8 primes in a week, you can surely get at least a few primes in a week, even vaulted ones.

 

Let's get back to the main point here. The fact that certain normal frames are hard to farm for is unfair for newer players who want to try new things. It's also punishing for older players who didn't farm them when they came out. It's even worse for returning players who want to experience content they've missed but have nobody to play it with. That's why I strongly believe that whenever a frame gets primed, the normal version should be much easier to get. Keep the resource costs the same, just boost the drop rates. Maybe change the requirements for the frames that can only be farmed in dead content. Or better yet, add their components to syndicates or even the Nightwave shop. Even if DE doesn't listen to my idea, I'll still try to farm for these frames I don't own. I'll make more plat and buy these frames if I have to, because as an avid trader I want more mastery points. More mastery ranks means more daily trades and syndicate standing, which means more opportunities for profit. Either way, feel free to debate me on whether or not we should make normal frames easier to get once their prime version comes out, only if your argument isn't "dude it's hard LOL don't change it, we all have to suffer"

[GnarlsDarkley]

Didn't read much. Actually stopped at "prime eventually".

Every prime is easier/faster/cheaper to get than its normal counterpart.

[xXDeadsinxX]

I do agree that grinding isn’t quite fun, but that’s also what makes it Warframe. 

However, I also disagree with you that it’s unfair and should be easier for players. I mean, If players don’t like grinding normal frames and to do the missions to acquire said frame, then they can purchase them with platinum as they please. Don’t really see the issue here.

[lukinu_u]

Maybe make the prime frame requiring the non-prime instead of orokin cell for the craft, so the prime on is no longer easier to get ?

[PhantomRen]

Just now, GnarlsDarkley said:

Didn't read much. Actually stopped at "prime eventually".

Every prime is easier/faster/cheaper to get than its normal counterpart.

If you're going to choose to participate in a thread, please don't post in it until you've read everything. Openly admitting that you didn't read is shameful. With all due respect, how are you going to understand the point of the thread, the message it conveys or any sort of well-structured discussion/debate if you don't read? If one simply reads a title and lets a knee jerk reaction speak for them (which a lot of people do nowadays) then there won't be any healthy discourse.

 

2 minutes ago, xXDeadsinxX said:

I do agree that grinding isn’t quite fun, but that’s also what makes it Warframe. 

However, I also disagree with you that it’s unfair and should be easier for players. I mean, If players don’t like grinding normal frames and to do the missions to acquire said frame, then they can purchase them with platinum as they please. Don’t really see the issue here.

Warframe has a lot of grinding in it, but that's not the sole identity of this game. Something tells me you either didn't read my post or you're stuck in the mindset that change is bad. Just because an issue has a workaround doesn't mean the issue is solved. It's like saying to make a city more fireproof rather than putting out the fire. There are plenty of frames out there that can only be farmed in dead content such as Atlas, and this is meant to be a co-op game. I could list every example but having no choice but to solo content that nobody plays just to get something you want isn't fun. Who's gonna want to farm C rotations in Orokin Derelicts? Or defection missions? Or Spy missions that no one does anymore, or listen to Vay Hek screaming for 5 minutes straight just for the chance of one component, when other bosses are faster? Putting a bandage on a problem doesn't solve it. You refuse to acknowledge the issue simply because it doesn't affect you. Sorry, but that's genuinely quite ignorant. Shortcuts and workarounds don't fix problems, they simply ignore them.

 

1 minute ago, lukinu_u said:

Maybe make the prime frame requiring the non-prime instead of orokin cell for the craft, so the prime on is no longer easier to get ?

That would only make things worse. And I'm pretty sure that DE has said at some point in the past that they don't want primes to require non-prime components to craft. The game's been out for so long that it goes against their design philosophy and it would cause outrage if they did that. Besides, imagine what Equinox Prime would be like if you needed normal components. Or Ivara Prime (once that happens) and other frames.

[TKDancer]

19 minutes ago, GnarlsDarkley said:

Every prime is easier/faster/cheaper to get than its normal counterpart.

uhm no? unless you have a ton of spare plat, no

a few are easier, like equinox and mesa, others, specially vaulted ones, are not

[PhantomRen]

1 minute ago, TKDancer said:

uhm no? unless you have a ton of spare plat, no

a few are easier, like equinox and mesa, others, specially vaulted ones, are not

I hate to break it to you but you didn't read the thread. Again, prime frames are cheap these days, even vaulted ones. And making plat isn't that hard. Were you not there when vaulted frames costed 300 to 700 plat? Nowadays all prime frames cost 100 to 200 plat even if they're vaulted, generally cheaper if you buy the parts individually and some frames cost less than 100. It's really not that hard. Because of this, it's harder to farm for normal frames, because they generally cost 300+ platinum. Some are cheaper but all the frames that are annoying to farm cost more than 200 plat last time I checked.

[TKDancer]

12 minutes ago, PhantomRen said:

 Nowadays all prime frames cost 100 to 200 plat even if they're vaulted,

200 plat *per frame* is still a substantial amount of plat unless you're an extremely lucky riven roller, and many normal frames are incredibly easy to get, even if it relies on a boss dropping the right component, you said it took you 7 days to get all those frames building, but for their normal variants it'd take a few hours(to get all BPs) for all of them, save for equinox due to her needing double the components through double the rng

i do however agree that some frames need change in how their normal variants are acquired, some examples include nidus, octavia(20 minutes per attempt for one of her components, seriously?), mesa, equinox and a few more

Edited July 12, 2019 by TKDancer

[Blexander]

1. No, there is no reason for regular frames to be easier to farm, no matter how hard the boss fight is. It's not like you have to farm Saryn to be able to progress. Keep that word in mind "progress".

2. Primes are only better than regular frames by a minor %. A regular Chroma can do the same job Chroma Prime can with minimal difference.

3. Primes aren't easier to farm. With Prime farming, you have a chance to get 5 other drops, instead of the pool of 3 items (excluding C rotation frames like Khora and Harrow, because that is actually cancerous and I hate it).

I don't see a point in making farming regular frames easier just because you got the prime. It ruins the grind. It's all luck based anyway. Just admit you're lazy and don't want to spend more than a day farming. Hell, you can buy the frame with plat pre-built. There, problem solved.

[kgabor]

Tbh. almost everything in this game is easy to farm

It's just that some frames, like Equinox, Hydroid, Atlas, Mesa, Khora, Gara, Saryn, Nidus aren't anything special to make the farm worth it past the mastery points, i personally found the farm for Harrow to be worth it because i like the frame.

20 minutes ago, lukinu_u said:

Maybe make the prime frame requiring the non-prime instead of orokin cell for the craft, so the prime on is no longer easier to get ?

This is the kind of progression so many other games use, but apparently it makes too much sense for DE hipsters to consider it. (imo. tying it just to full mastery on the regular variant would be the best, as you might not have the regular variant by the time you build the prime)

[Xepthrichros]

18 minutes ago, kgabor said:

It's just that some frames, like Equinox, Hydroid, Atlas, Mesa, Khora, Gara, Saryn, Nidus aren't anything special to make the farm worth it past the mastery points, i personally found the farm for Harrow to be worth it because i like the frame.

Funny. Because Harrow is the only one in that list which I find completely not worth it. 

[PhantomRen]

18 minutes ago, TKDancer said:

200 plat *per frame* is still a substantial amount of plat unless you're an extremely lucky riven roller, and many normal frames are incredibly easy to get, even if it relies on a boss dropping the right component, you said it took you 7 days to get all those frames building, but for their normal variants it'd take a few hours(to get all BPs) for all of them, save for equinox due to her needing double the components through double the rng

i do however agree that some frames need change in how their normal variants are acquired, some examples include nidus, octavia(20 minutes per attempt for one of her components, seriously?), mesa, equinox and a few more

200 plat is nothing. I think you're misled because you lack critical information and you're very unaware of just how easy it is to make platinum in this game. You don't need to trade riven mods to make plat in this game. There are so many things you can do. The easiest and most common method is opening relics and selling prime parts. Also, a few hours? Please. There are some normal frames out there that can take days just to farm. And at that rate it becomes more time efficient not to actually farm for them, but to farm platinum to them buy them from the market. At least you agree that some frames have parts that are stupidly tedious to farm for. And that's the problem here. Because I know that people will start complaining once the most annoying to farm frames get primed, pointing out how it's easier to get Ivara Prime or Octavia Prime than their normal versions. It's absolutely inevitable.

 

22 minutes ago, Blexander said:

1. No, there is no reason for regular frames to be easier to farm, no matter how hard the boss fight is. It's not like you have to farm Saryn to be able to progress. Keep that word in mind "progress".

2. Primes are only better than regular frames by a minor %. A regular Chroma can do the same job Chroma Prime can with minimal difference.

3. Primes aren't easier to farm. With Prime farming, you have a chance to get 5 other drops, instead of the pool of 3 items (excluding C rotation frames like Khora and Harrow, because that is actually cancerous and I hate it).

I don't see a point in making farming regular frames easier just because you got the prime. It ruins the grind. It's all luck based anyway. Just admit you're lazy and don't want to spend more than a day farming. Hell, you can buy the frame with plat pre-built. There, problem solved.

You claim that regular frames shouldn't be easier to farm than their upgraded prime variants, you claim that primes are hardly any better than normal frames (which isn't true, but there are some exceptions) and you claim that primes aren't easier to farm. That claim about me being "lazy" and not wanting to spend more than a day farming is also a big yikes. Did you not read the thread or see the image I posted? Guess you're just another one of those players who loves playing Devil's Advocate and saying silly, controversial, factually incorrect things to get a rise out of people. I'm going to concede because subjecting myself to ignorance is a waste of time, so have fun believing whatever you want.

 

25 minutes ago, kgabor said:

Tbh. almost everything in this game is easy to farm

It's just that some frames, like Equinox, Hydroid, Atlas, Mesa, Khora, Gara, Saryn, Nidus aren't anything special to make the farm worth it past the mastery points, i personally found the farm for Harrow to be worth it because i like the frame.

I mean that's the point I was trying to make, congratulations on being the first person in this thread to genuinely understand it. Eventually I'm gonna get everything because Mastery Rank is one of the reasons I still play this game, but in the meantime I wish acquiring certain things wasn't so tedious. Besides, people stop farming for certain frames as time passes, especially when a prime version comes out. And nobody farms for those frames anymore, it sucks having to solo lots of tedious content just for 6k mastery points.

[(XBOX)zThulsaDoomz]

No

[TKDancer]

4 hours ago, PhantomRen said:

I think you're misled because you lack critical information

please dont randomly assume things, i've spent over 1.5 thousand hours in this game, maybe its less than u, maybe its a lot less, but i know how the game's economy works

 

4 hours ago, PhantomRen said:

 Also, a few hours? Please.

for the ones u posted, minus equinox? yeah

look, i'm agreeing that DE should do smth about *some* normal variants, like the ones i mentioned, being much harder or time consuming to get than prime variants, but i dont agree thats a universal issue

Edited July 12, 2019 by TKDancer

[Blexander]

4 hours ago, PhantomRen said:

You claim that regular frames shouldn't be easier to farm than their upgraded prime variants, you claim that primes are hardly any better than normal frames (which isn't true, but there are some exceptions) and you claim that primes aren't easier to farm. That claim about me being "lazy" and not wanting to spend more than a day farming is also a big yikes. Did you not read the thread or see the image I posted? Guess you're just another one of those players who loves playing Devil's Advocate and saying silly, controversial, factually incorrect things to get a rise out of people. I'm going to concede because subjecting myself to ignorance is a waste of time, so have fun believing whatever you want.

Good job twisting my words. Also, using both "yikes" and "ignorance" in the same argument. It's like you want people to know your arguments have no weight or substance.

Look for an echo-chamber elsewhere.

[(PSN)wildcats1369my]

sooo... what is the problem here? if primes are easier to get than normal frames do just get frames. 

if you want to collect all the non prime variant then be prepared to grind. 

the parts are placed there so you will have a reason to try the modes else no one will really do then. 

No one is playing them? get some friends, clanmates or recruitment chat some players do help people if you ask nicely. 

Also no one is forcing you to get normal frames if you have the normal ones. 

[selig_fay]

Try to get Mag now when you don't have old relics. And don't use platinum. Is it really that easy?