Vitamin.Ex Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 The exploding arrows I feel completely kills the weapon. The original Zhuge is amazing. I've had a riven for it since they were added and it's my "go to" for bow only missions. It has a great balance of stats and the low MR makes it great for new players. If you want to live dangerous, you can equip Thunderbolt for that added explosion. Now with the changes to the Primed version, you no longer have that option. You are forced to have exploding arrows and the risk of self-damage. I understand the Lenz having self-damage, but, the other bows in the game just don't need that. To make things worse you can't even use Cautious Shot on it. They took a great weapon and ruined it by turning it into a launcher type weapon. I feel like the exploding arrows should be an alt-fire mode. At least give us the option to have the exploding arrows or the normal version of the Zhuge. Primed weapons are supposed to be upgrades, not a complete redesign of how the weapon works. Anyways, this is just my opinion. How do you feel about it? 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewarette Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 (edited) I didn't expect anything so I'm not disappointed, it gave me the exact Mastery Points count I was expecting to get I think people who complain about the explosive arrows have way too much free time on their hands. The explosion is like 50cm-wide and doesn't hit for much (can't really OS, not like the Lenz), why on earth are you shooting enemies at point blank, just use your melee. Plus, any Penetration mod (hello Primed Shred) pushes the explosion far enough for you to not be hit at all even if you're rushing through the mission. Edited July 17, 2019 by Chewarette 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvelous_A Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 It's garbage. Zhuge does what it does better without chance of killing yourself. Which normally it should go the opposite way. Have had people tried to argue it's not a universally shared opinion. But it's garbage nonetheless. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)ShadowBlood89 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 i ranked it up an never had issues with that, maybe your just too risky with how you use it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firedtm Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 Forma'ed it twice never had a issue with it, only after a forum topic was started about it, did I die once to it but I am sure I would of died anyways, due to I used the wrong warframe with it... people are making too big of a deal about it, if you want to see something that kills you when you shoot it, you should try the Tonkor, the Penta, or the Ogris. yea the Tonkor is not the same as it used to be when they added self damage too it, but it still gets you killed a lot more, than the Zhuge Prime, as for the Penta or Ogris. I don't use them much at all since the self damage is crazy on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobWasHere Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 It could be better if they shorten the explosion delay or make enemies a weak ragdoll (kinda like Redeemer) at point blank range so it wont kill users so easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vitamin.Ex Posted July 17, 2019 Author Share Posted July 17, 2019 To clear things up a bit, I personally have never died due to using the Zhuge prime. The point I was making is that self-damage just doesn't belong on it since there is the possibility of killing yourself. There is no option to turn it off and if you want to use it you're forced to deal with that possibility of dying to it. The difference between the Zhuge prime and other launcher weapons is that Cautious Shot can be equipped to launchers to prevent you from killing yourself. Cautious Shot cannot be equipped on the Zhuge prime though. If the Zhuge prime didn't have exploding arrows it would give you the option of running with it the way it is or using Thunderbolt to give you the exploding arrows if you wanted that extra effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteMarker Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Vitamin.Ex said: If the Zhuge prime didn't have exploding arrows it would give you the option of running with it the way it is or using Thunderbolt to give you the exploding arrows if you wanted that extra effect. I take it, you have no issue equipping Thunderbolt. If that's true, then you don't have an issue to equip a punch-through mod. This way it's far less likely to get the explosion, because the bolts will sink into terrain Zhuge Prime still has the option to not play with explosions. Everything's fine the way it is. Would I have liked it better if you could switch between exploding arrows and non-exploding arrows with secondary fire? Yes, this would have been fun. At the same time Zhuge Prime as it is works. So I'm somewhat happy. If I ever get my hands on a second riven (transmuted my first one) for the Zhuge, I will play with it more often. Edited July 17, 2019 by WhiteMarker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vitamin.Ex Posted July 17, 2019 Author Share Posted July 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, WhiteMarker said: I take it, you have no issue equipping Thunderbolt. If that's true, then you don't have an issue to equip a punch-through mod. This way it's far less likely to get the explosion, because the bolts will sink into terrain Zhuge Prime still has the option to not play with explosions. Everything's fine the way it is. I don't use Thunderbolt which is why I said if people wanted exploding arrows they have the choice to use that if they wish. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oreades Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 Yeah I pretty much gave up on the ZP, I'm not outright deleting it because I'm holding out some semblance of hope that they will change it to an alt-fire mechanic because I really love the Zhuge........ but I guess there is still the Attica I guess and the outlying hope that they don't ducttape something even worse to that when they Prime it. 46 minutes ago, Chewarette said: I think people who complain about the explosive arrows have way too much free time on their hands. Isn't it Ironic, don'tcha think? It's like RAAAAAIIIIIIN~ 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Autongnosis Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 il y a 6 minutes, WhiteMarker a dit : , then you don't have an issue to equip a punch-through mod. This way it's far less likely to get the explosion, because the bolts will sink into terrain The problem with that is that it will cripple the damage potential since the 90 dmg on the profile is the sum of the bolt hit and the explosion. Which pretty much sums up my biggest gripe with the weapon. It barely does more than the standard Zhuge. And only if you hit with both the bolt and the explosion. The doubled status triggers help but not that much. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteMarker Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 7 minutes ago, Vitamin.Ex said: I don't use Thunderbolt which is why I said if people wanted exploding arrows they have the choice to use that if they wish. And now you have the choice to use punch through if you wanted to change the playstyle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnossosTNC Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 (edited) I haven't got it yet and I'm already disappointed. Self damaging delayed detonation just sucks. I never liked the Stug for that, and still don't like it now. Definitely on the back-burner in my list, which makes the RNG's weird bias towards it a bit annoying. Haven't been running Bounties for Neo Z3s at all, but I already have 14 of the things. Edited July 17, 2019 by KnossosTNC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vitamin.Ex Posted July 17, 2019 Author Share Posted July 17, 2019 1 minute ago, WhiteMarker said: And now you have the choice to use punch through if you wanted to change the playstyle. I think you're missing the point. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteMarker Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 Just now, Vitamin.Ex said: I think you're missing the point. I'm getting the point. If you wanted to, you can change the playstyle of OG Zhuge by equipping a mod. You can change the playstyle of Zhuge Prime by equipping a mod. Works out. And I will let you in on something: You don't have to like every weapon in the game. It's fine to not like something. This doesn't make this weapon bad in the grand scheme of things. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oreades Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, WhiteMarker said: I'm getting the point. If you wanted to, you can change the playstyle of OG Zhuge by equipping a mod. You can change the playstyle of Zhuge Prime by equipping a mod. Works out. And I will let you in on something: You don't have to like every weapon in the game. It's fine to not like something. This doesn't make this weapon bad in the grand scheme of things. But it doesn't Thunderbolt has a 30% chance to explode dealing an additional (all be it laughable) 250 blast damage (that from the sounds of it doesn't even self damage any more?) The Zhuge Prime explosions are NOT a bonus, the Zhuge Prime splits it's damage between the initial arrow impact and the explosion. So if you use Punch Through mods to mitigate the self damage you are also functionally cutting the Zhuge Primes damage in half right out of the gate because the Explosion is nolonger conveying the rest of the weapons damage to the enemy. Edited July 17, 2019 by Oreades 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SerphV Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 And I thought the explosion damage is extra from the stats... DISAPPOINTING... Zhuge was 1 of my fav goto bow type weapon... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veridian Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 I'm extremely happy by the high quality MR it provides. Haven't seen it bring much more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishyflakes Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 1 hour ago, WhiteMarker said: I'm getting the point. If you wanted to, you can change the playstyle of OG Zhuge by equipping a mod. You can change the playstyle of Zhuge Prime by equipping a mod. Works out. And I will let you in on something: You don't have to like every weapon in the game. It's fine to not like something. This doesn't make this weapon bad in the grand scheme of things. Actually, it's good to give feedback about things you don't like in this game because they are always subject to future changes 😉 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)robotwars7 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 still need a couple parts, receiver and barrel IIRC. honestly I reckon it might be fun as an automatic, DPS counterpart to the Lenz, but otherwise, MR fodder. if I need a good quiet Crossbow I have my Attica with a +230% CC Riven, red crits just about every shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)jordankelemen Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 I don't know, with 4 forma Invested I haven't put it down since launch. I have a crap riven but I still have 100% crit, 100% status, nothing survives a few bolts. I do hope they change it to Alt fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voltage Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 5 hours ago, WhiteMarker said: And I will let you in on something: You don't have to like every weapon in the game. It's fine to not like something. This doesn't make this weapon bad in the grand scheme of things. Not every weapon will be enjoyed, however the Zhuge Prime feels like the Spira Prime on release. A Prime Weapon shouldn't feel like Fodder. The explosion mechanic is really cool, but I feel like it should be additional damage, not splitting existing damage. It already has 3.0 second reload. The Zhuge Prime is a really cool concept, but I think I will stick to Attica or normal Zhuge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
--DSP--Jetstream Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 Do the Jetstream augment make it explode on contact like tonkor ? tonkor also has delay on explosion but the augment with enough power make it explode on hit instead, would be nice if it apply to zhug prime too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceColdHawk Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 I can understand the concerns about self damage but whilst this doesn't bother me personally, i don't think that this weapon deserves it. Unlike Lenz, it lacks the critical damage to justify such feature. I'm using a Visicron riven on the prime (+dmg, +critchance, -ammomax) with high grades on the positives and it's just able to compete with a rivenless Komorex. Something doesn't seem right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Tucker D Dawg Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 the weapon doesn't do enough damage (except to oneself) to justify self damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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