Get rid of the cooldown on Mastery Rank Up fail.

[Birdframe_Prime]

11 minutes ago, BlackRoseAngel said:

There is nothing that you can be taught by these tests that even remotely applies to the game. The Mastery Rank 22 test is essentially Raathum where you are given three lives and the AI cheats. If this meant to be a tutorial then why am I being given this tutorial 5 years after I started playing and why is the AI allowed to break the rules? And why is my progress stopped for a whole day because I failed to beat a clearly unfair challenge?

Interesting, you don't actually seem to get it...

I was told by an MR 22 player that Life Support in Survival stacked past 100%. Just last month a player came into the forums complaining that the MR 27 test was too hard because the enemies were too difficult when the purpose of the test is to collect the points and return them to the start without getting killed yourself and can be accomplished without a single kill.

MR is not a judge of skill and knowledge in this game. That's why MR tests still contain basics that you should actually know. They may not be anything new to you, but to many players who try to power-level through, they are genuine progression blockers because they have no clue how to actually play the game.

It really is there to teach you because players reach MR without completing or even experiencing much of the game's content.

Also, if you're at MR 22, then your 'progression' is actually 'collection', because there is no content in the game that requires you to be that level of MR. It's convenience, nothing more.

Besides, your 'progression' doesn't stop, Mastery Affinity is retained and continues even when you don't take the test, which is why there's still a 24 hour cool-down if you actually succeed to prevent players levelling everything they get their hands on and immediately jumping up from MR 5 to MR 20 in the course of a day.

What you are supposed to learn from the cool-down is that you should have done the practice. You shouldn't have had to fail, because you should have tested and done the preparation.

You get a time-out because you did something wrong. DE don't believe in corporal punishment, so they'll never hit you for doing it wrong, but they will sit you in the corner and say 'think about what you did'.

And from your attitude about this, a time-out is something you do need.

[BlackRoseAngel]

27 minutes ago, Shalath said:

Well you failed the test so clearly you do need to learn or you would have passed unless your cat walked over your keyboard or something during the test.

The wait is to make you stop and consider what you did wrong to fail the test. Without that wait you are simply going to keep repeating the tests, presumably making the same mistakes, in the hope that you fluke past it. If you do then you haven't learned whatever the test is trying to teach you and will probably start posting in the forums that the game is too hard because you are missing a key skill.

As an example I failed one of the stealth tests a couple of times because I used pretty much the same approach each time. After my 2nd or 3rd failure I knew I needed to try something else so I looked at some youtube vids and studied what they did. Whilst doing that I noticed something I hadn't considered before, there were lots of really tall pillars on the map and as we all know from horror films nobody ever looks up. Based on that I took a glaive and climbed a pillar. Hopping from pillar to pillar I blitzed the test with complete ease and far quicker than any of the techniques I saw in the vids.

None of that explains why i can't just go back and try again.

[BlackRoseAngel]

7 minutes ago, Birdframe_Prime said:

And from your attitude about this, a time-out is something you do need.

You're not my mother and I certainly don't play games like these to get treated like an f'ing 5 year old.

[Birdframe_Prime]

9 minutes ago, BlackRoseAngel said:

You're not my mother and I certainly don't play games like these to get treated like an f'ing 5 year old.

Fair enough, then do stop acting like one and people will stop reacting to you as one ^^

[BlackRoseAngel]

1 minute ago, Birdframe_Prime said:

Fair enough, then do stop acting like one and people will stop reacting to you as one ^^

I don't see how anything I've pointed out is even the least bit unreasonable.

The mechanic is needlessly obtrusive and makes me not want to play the game. No one has given me a reasonable argument as to why this is not the case.

You treating me like a child does not validate your gainsaying.

[WhiteMarker]

22 minutes ago, BlackRoseAngel said:

I don't see how anything I've pointed out is even the least bit unreasonable.

The mechanic is needlessly obtrusive and makes me not want to play the game. No one has given me a reasonable argument as to why this is not the case.

You treating me like a child does not validate your gainsaying.

You know what's really funny.
What you are asking for is basically already in the game with the practice. You can run the test as often as you want until you finish it during sleep.
The 24 hour wait stays in order to punish people that aren't prepared.
The same way you don't get rewards when failing a mission.

At this point you are the troll, because you don't argue. You just say that there are no arguments, and that's it.

[Birdframe_Prime]

15 minutes ago, BlackRoseAngel said:

No one has given me a reasonable argument as to why this is not the case.

Every person in this thread has given you the reasonable answer:

The reason it's there is because it's a punishment for failing the test. You did not practice, you failed, you have to wait.

You now have 24 hours in which to practice and then you can attempt it again.

That is the function, that is the intent. Your consistent dismissal of the reason does not change its validity and your constant referral to it as 'needless' and 'obtrusive' makes you sound childish because it shows you're not grasping the basic concept of consequence for failure, which is something that everyone needs to learn whether in a video game or in real life.

The equivalent complaint is if you were playing a game like Sekiro, you get killed by a boss and have to respawn at the carver's place, and you're complaining about now having to delay as you navigate back to the boss, all the enemies are back, and you can't even buy upgrades because your money is waiting in the boss arena for you to claim it back. Is the wait in Warframe longer? Yes. That's because there isn't anything gained from beating the test apart from convenience, while in a game like Sekiro there's actual progression towards completing the game. Warframe's MR tests are not progression, they are a collection counter of how much stuff you have levelled, and the actual restrictions of lower MR are finished at MR 14, anything over that is completely on your own volition.

Failure has a consequence, even in Warframe's most basic of tests, and since the test has no actual resource, currency or even content-based rewards it therefore can't take those from you for losing like a regular mission can. The only thing it can take from you for failure is time.

This is the reason it's there and you ignoring or dismissing that answer doesn't make it wrong.

[WhiteMarker]

8 minutes ago, Birdframe_Prime said:

and the actual restrictions of lower MR are finished at MR 14, anything over that is completely on your own volition.

Not quite. MR15 unlocks Aklex Prime and gives you an additional extractor drone. (Yes, I didn't know that Aklex Prime is MR15. The wiki told me that.)
And MR16 unlocks all the Rivens.
While MR14 is totally fine, people should aim for MR16 in order to unlock everything. After that it's more or less just luxury and higher ranks make your life easier. (more Mod capacity on underleveled weapons and more daily standing and such...)

Edited July 19, 2019 by WhiteMarker

[DenisJaguar]

3 minutes ago, WhiteMarker said:

Not quite. MR15 unlocks Aklex Prime and gives you an additional extractor drone. (Yes, I didn't know that Aklex Prime is MR15. The wiki told me that.)
And MR16 unlocks all the Rivens.
While MR14 is totally fine, people should aim for MR16 in order to unlock everything. After that it's more or less just luxury and higher ranks make your life easier. (more Mod capacity on underleveled weapons and more daily standing and such...)

That is the reason i push for MR16 and after that i will not be pushing for higher MR. 

 

[(PSN)OerbaYunFangSta]

15 minutes ago, WhiteMarker said:

You know what's really funny.
What you are asking for is basically already in the game with the practice. You can run the test as often as you want until you finish it during sleep.
The 24 hour wait stays in order to punish people that aren't prepared.
The same way you don't get rewards when failing a mission.

At this point you are the troll, because you don't argue. You just say that there are no arguments, and that's it.

Blocked but you're still talking to a wall in hopes for positive ratings on your post lol

[(PSN)chibitonka]

1 hour ago, BlackRoseAngel said:

This is a completely idiotic response. In no game that I have ever played up until now, even some of the worst games from the NES era, are you shut out of content for an entire day because you failed at it.

This is a completely indefensible mechanic, and that "argument" of yours doesn't apply in any sense.

yeah instead you had games where if you weren't good enough you had to start all over cause checkpoints and saving weren't a thing. Much worse than shut out for the entire day. 

[WhiteMarker]

3 minutes ago, (PS4)OerbaYunFangSta said:

Blocked but you're still talking to a wall in hopes for positive ratings on your post lol

I posted it under one of my posts on the first page of the thread.
It's less for the OP and more for other people that might read/reply. And yes, it's giving my post counter a bump. 

[(PSN)chibitonka]

1 hour ago, WhiteMarker said:

If you suffer from the wait, then you need to learn the game.
You clearly don't know that you can practice the test. You have to learn that. And you have to learn proper ways to beat the test. Be it with a little bit of cheese, or be it with proper techniques.
Saying you don't need to learn at this point is clearly a lie...

Btw. I know OP blocked me. But others may read the thread. So responding is still fine.

love that op is pretty much having a tantrum. Their arrogance is outstanding compared to that of Orokin lmao. Disregarding the fact the system is making them it's onahole cause they think they know best yet can't beat it. Accuses ai of cheating in a game where the player is nigh demi god esk like figures. 

Op rly needs to stfu and git gud instead of whining like a child no?

[(XBOX)Zweimander]

2 minutes ago, (PS4)chibitonka said:

love that op is pretty much having a tantrum. Their arrogance is outstanding compared to that of Orokin lmao. Disregarding the fact the system is making them it's onahole cause they think they know best yet can't beat it. Accuses ai of cheating in a game where the player is nigh demi god esk like figures. 

 Op rly needs to stfu and git gud instead of whining like a child no?

Yeah they are being rather petty and spending the time they could be using to practice to rant instead. No one had really said anything that is wrong to them yet they say no good arguments for it locking you out have been said. They could of gotten it down pat by now and been prepared but naw, they would rather rant and rave about a fair system that DE has put into play to prevent people from getting to mastery ranks they do not deserve to be at XD

[el_chanis]

3 hours ago, BlackRoseAngel said:

How many times do I have to say it? There's no benefit in making me wait an entire day to redo these stupid, pointless tests. In fact, take them out of the game entirely since they serve no purpose other than another unnecessary time gate.

Stop with the crap, DE. You're not winning any love from putting from this anti-QoL garbage all over this game. You're just pissing people off.

  

  

Allways before posting, ask this to yourself: "Is this a real issue in the game, or it's just me sucking at playing it?". It would prevent you for posting stuff others might consider'......... lets call it "childish tantrum"

[(PSN)Ozymandias-13-]

Mastery. Test. If you haven't mastered it, you have improve then try again. This is actually one of the only situations where "git gud" is literally the right answer in this game.

Use the easily repeatable Simaris practice to get used to it and try different builds. Honestly, one of the most common issues I've found when people have trouble completing a mastery test is that they are absolutely determined to use one specific loadout for all content rather than swapping gear and coming prepared to excel at the objective. If you are good enough with that loadout to succeed anyway, fantastic. But if not, then switch to the right gear for the job instead of complaining.

This may not the the case with you, but there plenty of guides for each mastery test that will give you strategies and loadouts to help you achieve it. You can see which ones work for you by practicing them before taking the actual test.

[(PSN)OerbaYunFangSta]

50 minutes ago, WhiteMarker said:

I posted it under one of my posts on the first page of the thread.
It's less for the OP and more for other people that might read/reply. And yes, it's giving my post counter a bump. 

"At this point you are the troll, because you don't argue. You just say that there are no arguments, and that's it."

Mhm. For the other people... Okay, Eren Kruger😏

[Birdframe_Prime]

22 minutes ago, (PS4)OerbaYunFangSta said:

Mhm

You know, even if OP's blocked him, OP can see you Quoting him, sooooo... he's still doing well at this thanks to you ^^

[BlackRoseAngel]

1 hour ago, Birdframe_Prime said:

Every person in this thread has given you the reasonable answer:

The reason it's there is because it's a punishment for failing the test. You did not practice, you failed, you have to wait.

You now have 24 hours in which to practice and then you can attempt it again.

That is the function, that is the intent. Your consistent dismissal of the reason does not change its validity and your constant referral to it as 'needless' and 'obtrusive' makes you sound childish because it shows you're not grasping the basic concept of consequence for failure, which is something that everyone needs to learn whether in a video game or in real life.

The equivalent complaint is if you were playing a game like Sekiro, you get killed by a boss and have to respawn at the carver's place, and you're complaining about now having to delay as you navigate back to the boss, all the enemies are back, and you can't even buy upgrades because your money is waiting in the boss arena for you to claim it back. Is the wait in Warframe longer? Yes. That's because there isn't anything gained from beating the test apart from convenience, while in a game like Sekiro there's actual progression towards completing the game. Warframe's MR tests are not progression, they are a collection counter of how much stuff you have levelled, and the actual restrictions of lower MR are finished at MR 14, anything over that is completely on your own volition.

Failure has a consequence, even in Warframe's most basic of tests, and since the test has no actual resource, currency or even content-based rewards it therefore can't take those from you for losing like a regular mission can. The only thing it can take from you for failure is time.

This is the reason it's there and you ignoring or dismissing that answer doesn't make it wrong.

READ: It's there to piss you off. I like Dark Souls! Git Gud, Scrub.

That's not a reasonable answer. That's you sucking up to the devs.

[BlackRoseAngel]

1 hour ago, el_chanis said:

Allways before posting, ask this to yourself: "Is this a real issue in the game, or it's just me sucking at playing it?". It would prevent you for posting stuff others might consider'......... lets call it "childish tantrum"

It's a real issue in the game.

And of course you think I'm throwing a tantrum because you and your fellow fanboys have yet to come up with one good reason why I can't simply retry the test immediately.

[BlackRoseAngel]

58 minutes ago, (PS4)Ozymandias-13- said:

Mastery. Test. If you haven't mastered it, you have improve then try again. This is actually one of the only situations where "git gud" is literally the right answer in this game.

Use the easily repeatable Simaris practice to get used to it and try different builds. Honestly, one of the most common issues I've found when people have trouble completing a mastery test is that they are absolutely determined to use one specific loadout for all content rather than swapping gear and coming prepared to excel at the objective. If you are good enough with that loadout to succeed anyway, fantastic. But if not, then switch to the right gear for the job instead of complaining.

This may not the the case with you, but there plenty of guides for each mastery test that will give you strategies and loadouts to help you achieve it. You can see which ones work for you by practicing them before taking the actual test.

Again, this does not provide any reason why I can't simply try it again immediately. How does this benefit the player.

Here's a hint, it doesn't.

[Guest]

Essentially:

[(PSN)Ozymandias-13-]

Just now, BlackRoseAngel said:

Again, this does not provide any reason why I can't simply try it again immediately. How does this benefit the player.

Here's a hint, it doesn't.

Hint: it's not supposed to. How does failing a test benefit a test taker? It doesn't. But it proves you're not skilled enough and need to learn more before trying again.

Time-gating is a common technique used to stretch out content until the next update, but it's also used in this since many items and content are mastery locked. This limits the ability of bot accounts to benefit from leveling too fast and selling everything for platinum and harming player accounts that interact with those accounts and losing platinum.

There are many factors, and in the end it comes down to you studying for your test before jumping in. So much of this game involves developer hand-holding. You are not entitled to mastery ranks. You earn them, easily enough already I might add.

[Volinus7]

Somebody thinks that Warframe is some kind of hospitality business but not a pointless stupid skinner box hamster wheel.

Edited July 19, 2019 by Volinus7

[(XBOX)Skippy575]

3 hours ago, BlackRoseAngel said:

None of that explains why i can't just go back and try again.

How about: DE decided to time-gate this portion of the game because it's a F2P game while also making sure you're prepared to do the test.

Or even: F2P aside, DE decided to gate this portion of the game because they want to make sure you are skilled in areas they think are important.