Birdframe_Prime Posted July 19, 2019 Posted July 19, 2019 1 hour ago, BlackRoseAngel said: READ: It's there to piss you off. I'm terribly sorry, but I'm going to have to send you back to 5th grade Reading prep if that's how you read it. When you fail a mission, you get to go back and try again because you lost the Resources, Affinity and end-of-mission Rewards. There are none of these to gain in the first place on a Mastery Test, so when you lose there's a different penalty; your time. Losing has consequences. If you can't take the consequences, then practice so you don't lose. But complaining about it on the Forums won't stop you from having a penalty when you do lose. 3
SilverRook Posted July 19, 2019 Posted July 19, 2019 6 hours ago, BlackRoseAngel said: How many times do I have to say it? There's no benefit in making me wait an entire day to redo these stupid, pointless tests. In fact, take them out of the game entirely since they serve no purpose other than another unnecessary time gate. Stop with the crap, DE. You're not winning any love from putting from this anti-QoL garbage all over this game. You're just pissing people off. If you fail your highschool exams.... do you get to resit them directly afterwards? if you fail your driving test, do you get to go round again for a better try? or do they send you away to "git gud" before coming back to try again ? Life's hard.... but this is just a videogame.
Guest Posted July 19, 2019 Posted July 19, 2019 Just now, SilverRook said: If you fail your highschool exams.... do you get to resit them directly afterwards? if you fail your driving test, do you get to go round again for a better try? To be fair, if you fail highschool you probably shouldn't be allowed to promote to the next level until you pass. Plus studying is hard, takes effort and takes time. If you go ill equipped to the next level, you will be in deep S#&$, causing trouble for yourself, your teachers and your parents. If you fail a driving test, you really shouldn't be on the road - you may kill someone. Can say, lots of idiot pedestrians who won't look out where they are going. If you can't pass the basic test in controlled conditions, it's really dangerous. But failing an MR test isn't so dire in consequence to inconvenience the self or others around them.
SilverRook Posted July 19, 2019 Posted July 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, Datam4ss said: To be fair, if you fail highschool you probably shouldn't be allowed to promote to the next level until you pass. Plus studying is hard, takes effort and takes time. If you go ill equipped to the next level, you will be in deep S#&$, causing trouble for yourself, your teachers and your parents. If you fail a driving test, you really shouldn't be on the road - you may kill someone. Can say, lots of idiot pedestrians who won't look out where they are going. If you can't pass the basic test in controlled conditions, it's really dangerous. But failing an MR test isn't so dire in consequence to inconvenience the self or others around them. wow you missed the entire point of my analogy and made it about something totally different, well done. The point being.... you don't get to have infinite tries at getting the test right.... the reason you are sent away is to practice more to be better ...because you failed the test...meaning you weren't good enough.... thats the way it works. what?? you want a participation award ? Practice more.
Guest Posted July 19, 2019 Posted July 19, 2019 Just now, SilverRook said: wow you missed the entire point of my analogy and made it about something totally different, well done. The point being.... you don't get to have infinite tries at getting the test right.... the reason you are sent away is to practice more to be better ...because you failed the test...meaning you weren't good enough.... thats the way it works. what?? you want a participation award ? Practice more. If you are going to make an analogy, actually make a good one, that is what I am saying. Comparing actually important and relevant tests in real life to some trivial game thing seems pretty silly overall, since anyone would immediately notice the difference in severity and scale. Failing an MR test has literally 0 real life consequences other than wasting time - fail in Highschool or Driving, you may pay with your future. They do not compare and do not deserve to be compared. Also, MR tests have infinite redos, actually - if you failed your High School too many times, you would probably be expelled and have no chance to even retake. Also, I would say, sometimes, test failures are completely random - I failed my MR 25 test the first time around because I accidentally hit E instead of W when piloting the Archwing, falling into the void (which wasted enough time to time out) when all I had to do is kill ONE more enemy - it's not that I am not good enough to do the test (I completed it flawlessly with no practice once it cooled down), but simply because my finger derped (it happens when one is very tired but isn't aware after drinking alcohol. Yes, the redo was under similar conditions with alcohol consumption as well.). The OP is unreasonable in the way they ask for infinite retries, but the idea of infinite retries with no cooldown isn't innately flawed - someone like me who happened to slip my finger can definitely pass it on an immediate retry. This isn't some Git Gud thing. It's an arbitrary test with stupid conditions put into the game as just a time gate and progression gate.
5H4DE Posted July 19, 2019 Posted July 19, 2019 5 hours ago, BlackRoseAngel said: None of that explains why i can't just go back and try again. YOU CAN. The practice option is there for a reason, USE IT and then take the test. How many people have to tell you this before it gets through your head? You keep dismissing everyone or calling them trolls when they don't agree with you, you will not get anywhere like that not here and not in real life either. Stop acting like a spoiled brat and get your act together will you? At this point you're just embarassing yourself. 2
(PSN)Hikuro-93 Posted July 19, 2019 Posted July 19, 2019 (edited) Going trough the post I see several people giving their points of view, many of which I won't repeat despite agreeing, but one question for a change, OP. You keep saying that the wait mechanic is not needed to the game, that there is nothing to gain from having it. And you try to dismiss people by repeating that over and over, which tells me you are trying to convince them that this mechanic is indeed "not needed". But not once did I see you explain why it should be removed as well. ("because it pisses me off" is not an argument). So counterpoint: "Yeah, maybe there is no reason for this wait mechanic. But is there a reason to remove it as well?" You conveniently disregard the fact that you are the one disagreeing with the status quo. That you are the one that needs to convince people of why you are absolutely right, and that it's not us who must explain to you why you might be wrong. Btw, mostly rethoric. I'll just go ahead and say that this game is far more eased up than it once was. But DE still needs profit. So while they give us most of what we ask for with one hand they also keep a hidden hand for doing most of the practices that keep us playing for more time and pay more so long as we don't notice them or don't complain about them. I like to call it "sly business practices". They are there whether we like them or not, and "sometimes you just can't change some stuff and you will have to put up with them". Which is Korean for "git gud". Spoiler PS: I rather much more lose a MR test than an 1h+ farm on anything due to a host migration or something like it. Edited July 19, 2019 by (PS4)Hikuro-93
Hawk_of_the_Reborn Posted July 19, 2019 Posted July 19, 2019 If you fail, you fail because you weren't worthy to earn the next title. Try again tomorrow or perfect your technique so you can pass. This isn't elementary school where you get 1st prize trophy by just existing. 1
BlackRoseAngel Posted July 19, 2019 Author Posted July 19, 2019 7 hours ago, Volinus7 said: Somebody thinks that Warframe is some kind of hospitality business but not a pointless stupid skinner box hamster wheel. Oh it's pretty obvious that idiotic things like this are in place to get me to spend platinum on loadout slots. Jokes on them tho, I won't spend platinum on that.
BlackRoseAngel Posted July 19, 2019 Author Posted July 19, 2019 5 hours ago, TheRealShade said: YOU CAN. The practice option is there for a reason, USE IT and then take the test. How many people have to tell you this before it gets through your head? You keep dismissing everyone or calling them trolls when they don't agree with you, you will not get anywhere like that not here and not in real life either. Stop acting like a spoiled brat and get your act together will you? At this point you're just embarassing yourself. I see nothing embarrassing about pointing out a needless function in a game like this. What's really embarrassing is the lot of you queueing up to defend it. It's Pavlovian.
BlackRoseAngel Posted July 19, 2019 Author Posted July 19, 2019 6 hours ago, (XB1)Skippy575 said: How about: DE decided to time-gate this portion of the game because it's a F2P game while also making sure you're prepared to do the test. Or even: F2P aside, DE decided to gate this portion of the game because they want to make sure you are skilled in areas they think are important. I'm giving feedback. Very negative feedback in regards to how stupid this process is.
BlackRoseAngel Posted July 19, 2019 Author Posted July 19, 2019 4 hours ago, (PS4)Hikuro-93 said: Going trough the post I see several people giving their points of view, many of which I won't repeat despite agreeing, but one question for a change, OP. You keep saying that the wait mechanic is not needed to the game, that there is nothing to gain from having it. And you try to dismiss people by repeating that over and over, which tells me you are trying to convince them that this mechanic is indeed "not needed". But not once did I see you explain why it should be removed as well. ("because it pisses me off" is not an argument). So counterpoint: "Yeah, maybe there is no reason for this wait mechanic. But is there a reason to remove it as well?" You conveniently disregard the fact that you are the one disagreeing with the status quo. That you are the one that needs to convince people of why you are absolutely right, and that it's not us who must explain to you why you might be wrong. Btw, mostly rethoric. I'll just go ahead and say that this game is far more eased up than it once was. But DE still needs profit. So while they give us most of what we ask for with one hand they also keep a hidden hand for doing most of the practices that keep us playing for more time and pay more so long as we don't notice them or don't complain about them. I like to call it "sly business practices". They are there whether we like them or not, and "sometimes you just can't change some stuff and you will have to put up with them". Which is Korean for "git gud". Reveal hidden contents PS: I rather much more lose a MR test than an 1h+ farm on anything due to a host migration or something like it.
el_chanis Posted July 19, 2019 Posted July 19, 2019 8 hours ago, BlackRoseAngel said: It's a real issue in the game. And of course you think I'm throwing a tantrum because you and your fellow fanboys have yet to come up with one good reason why I can't simply retry the test immediately. It's not, you are literally the first (and therefore only) post i have ever seen about this topic in the forums, and i've been in the game for 5 years (MR 26 btw). IF nobody but you alone complain about this, then it's not an issue. Secondly. You have to wait for the same reason you don't have infinite revivals, nor infinite ammo or energy. To have consequences for playing badly. You want to past a FREAKING TEST? Practice, study. Thats why you have the TOTALLY FREE OF DRAWBACKS PRACTICE OPTION. How about you give it a try before diving head first into solid concrete?
el_chanis Posted July 19, 2019 Posted July 19, 2019 41 minutes ago, BlackRoseAngel said: I'm giving feedback. Very negative feedback in regards to how stupid this process is. You know who else give that kind of feedback? the ones who couldn't finish Dark Souls. Git Gud.
BlackRoseAngel Posted July 19, 2019 Author Posted July 19, 2019 20 minutes ago, el_chanis said: You know who else give that kind of feedback? the ones who couldn't finish Dark Souls. Git Gud. I've beaten Dark Souls, it still sucks.
el_chanis Posted July 19, 2019 Posted July 19, 2019 1 minute ago, BlackRoseAngel said: it still sucks You still haven't got gud enough
proxyvirus Posted July 19, 2019 Posted July 19, 2019 14 hours ago, BlackRoseAngel said: How many times do I have to say it? There's no benefit in making me wait an entire day to redo these stupid, pointless tests. In fact, take them out of the game entirely since they serve no purpose other than another unnecessary time gate. Stop with the crap, DE. You're not winning any love from putting from this anti-QoL garbage all over this game. You're just pissing people off. Now this, this is Bait. We have heard this time and time again, and it always comes down to the same thing. I am pretty sure the poster does not want to listen to the reasons and only wants to keep things going. the tests are meant to be hard, they give you a practice mode to train for it and try out what works for you. yeah, there is a cool down if you mess up on the real test, so you take it serious and not treat it as another mission. Are you in a rush? who is waiting for you? does really waiting a day mean you can not train to get better at it or are you just going to blaze through content? And please, no need to be rude to DE. 1
proxyvirus Posted July 19, 2019 Posted July 19, 2019 5 minutes ago, BlackRoseAngel said: Topics like these always help me root out and block the people who are not worth talking to. Too bad it doesn't have the benefit of actually fixing the problem. can someone come and just shut this down? look at this, what in the lotus!?
el_chanis Posted July 19, 2019 Posted July 19, 2019 33 minutes ago, BlackRoseAngel said: Too bad it doesn't have the benefit of actually fixing the problem. You know what would?? 1
Jiminez_Burial Posted July 20, 2019 Posted July 20, 2019 14 hours ago, BlackRoseAngel said: And of course you think I'm throwing a tantrum because you and your fellow fanboys have yet to come up with one good reason why I can't simply retry the test immediately. We're not fanboys (I have many issues with Warframe and how it's managed) and just because we're disagreeing with you doesn't mean we'll defend anything DE does. We have given you reasons as to why the test can't be replayed immediately but you don't listen. It's almost like EA saying 'We don't believe the evidence that lootboxes lead to issues with gambling'. At some point it doesn't matter what you believe if it isn't true. You basically just don't want to be punished for being bad at an aspect of the game and you have no excuse since you have a way to practice it without penalty.
(XBOX)Zweimander Posted July 20, 2019 Posted July 20, 2019 I would just like to point out OP has been wastig time he could of been using to improve and learn to argue like a school child instead. If he really wanted that next MR he would of shut up a long time ago and oracticed until his eyes were bleeding! He is just fishing for someone who thinks the same way he does to validate himself. Most everybody has told him why you cant just retry the actual run to get the MR but he is pretending none of it is actual reasoning, Truly a lost cause and quite petty...
Oreades Posted July 20, 2019 Posted July 20, 2019 Real simple solution Shift the 24hr cooldown from "on attempt" to "on completion" DE gets to keep their initial slowdown to prevent people from hitting MR3+ in less than a day and players can stop being needlessly frustrated by a mechanic that stopped doing anything pretty much past MR3. Cause after MR3 you're probably looking at close to a days worth of solid lvling to get to MR4 etc. There is really no need to frustrate players with a lockout. Especially when the initial failure is usually easily corrected with 2 minutes of swapping mods around or switching to a new frame/weapon. As far as MR tests go you can either pass them or you can't and all a lockout after you've figured the issue out does is make the end user salty for NO GOOD REASON. At best the rational for keeping the practice tests as the "answer" can be described as "this is how it's always been done so we should keep doing it because tradition". There are a lot of horrible traditions and this is one of them, They can keep the tests in the Simaris room just mark them as refresher instead of practice, in the event that anyone actually wants to go back and run them again.
(PSN)Schobii564 Posted July 20, 2019 Posted July 20, 2019 19 hours ago, Spaceland said: That is the reason i push for MR16 and after that i will not be pushing for higher MR. So you dont want extra standing capacity? Its not hard
BlackRoseAngel Posted July 20, 2019 Author Posted July 20, 2019 15 minutes ago, Oreades said: Real simple solution Shift the 24hr cooldown from "on attempt" to "on completion" DE gets to keep their initial slowdown to prevent people from hitting MR3+ in less than a day and players can stop being needlessly frustrated by a mechanic that stopped doing anything pretty much past MR3. Cause after MR3 you're probably looking at close to a days worth of solid lvling to get to MR4 etc. There is really no need to frustrate players with a lockout. Especially when the initial failure is usually easily corrected with 2 minutes of swapping mods around or switching to a new frame/weapon. As far as MR tests go you can either pass them or you can't and all a lockout after you've figured the issue out does is make the end user salty for NO GOOD REASON. At best the rational for keeping the practice tests as the "answer" can be described as "this is how it's always been done so we should keep doing it because tradition". There are a lot of horrible traditions and this is one of them, They can keep the tests in the Simaris room just mark them as refresher instead of practice, in the event that anyone actually wants to go back and run them again. I like your ideas, though I think a better idea would be to just get rid of mastery tests altogether.
DenisJaguar Posted July 20, 2019 Posted July 20, 2019 1 hour ago, (PS4)Schobii564 said: So you dont want extra standing capacity? Its not hard Yes but i will not be pushing like i'm doing at the moment. After MR16 i will get higher mr but will not be my top priority.
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