Riven trading term "decent" means what?

[(XBOX)Devo 20 XD 6]

I am still new at trading riven mods, not new to the game. Some player asks to show links for decent riven mods as they are looking to buy. I show them two of my rivens that I consider decent. They say "pass give up". I wasn't going to try to go through all my rivens and send them links desperately trying to make Plat, though it seems that people do that or they wouldn't have said give up. My question is, what is considered to be a decent riven? It seems like they really mean really good rivens, so why not ask for really good ones? 

[(PSN)s3d_sas]

Your question depends on the weapon itself and also most players are looking “god rolls” for a cheap price that’s why when you showed them your rivens they didn’t want it because it’s not what he/she exactly wants 

[Lazarow]

I seen people asking for 3+1 rivens and I look at mine and have some but then I dont know do they want melee, pistol, rifle,kitgun,shotgun,archwing,meta or just for whatever weapons. Then I dont send anything cause its just a waste of time, I would put effort to sending them 10 good rivens or unrolled rivens with 3+1 and then they just say "Nah" and its very frustrating as its what they ask then they dont want I dont get it okay my riven may not be that good but still good or unrolled

[Voltage]

There is no real answer for that due to everyone having different preferences.

My advice is to not bother with players who are using subjective adjectives to describe a roll. Trash/Decent/Godly can mean all sorts of things. I have had people tell me they wanted Punch Through on a "Godly" Riven Mod before. Everyone has a preference of what they want, and it's best to just list your Rivens on Riven.Market, Warframe.Market, Trade Chat, the Trading Post on the Forums, etc. and go from there.

[krc473]

11 minutes ago, (XB1)Devo 20 XD 6 said:

My question is, what is considered to be a decent riven?

Do you mean for a sensible person? Some people like to attempt to devalue what your riven is to get a cheaper price.

• To me, a ‘decent’ riven is one that is fairly average. It has some favourable stats so you could use it as is. But you also would want to reroll it to improve it.

You do have to remember that some people want different stats in a riven. So it does depend on the weapon and individual to an extent. Example: I have a riven for the Attica that makes it fire once every 30-ish seconds, but has over 200% damage. I like it, because it is funny, others might hate it.

[Lutesque]

This has more to do with people in trade chat having some weird behavior than it does with anything on your Rivens....

If they don't like what they see then ignore them.... THEY MUST SUFFER !!!!

[Sunai_Moonswing]

Rivens are very subjective. My favorite example is my Kunai riven. Who even uses kunais at MR8? Multishot, damage to Corpus and fire rate? Still a useless weapon, in their eyes. But that thing has 0 spread. I'm talking about Zibbit meme of we put kunai in your kunai so you could kunai while you kunai.

And with the status build on it and 10 kunai per second... I'm just shedding armor at nearly 5 procs per second.

Or a raw 1000 explosive damage per shot with a single kunai throw.. In a 10m AOE. Before resistances or buffs vs Corpus.

So yeah, it's a decent riven given the weapon type. A bad weapon. But it performs well in sorties, with hilarious end results in some public lobbies.

 

Some people just care about the stats, not about the actual performance of the weapon.

[(XBOX)Devo 20 XD 6]

2 hours ago, Sunai_Moonswing said:

y favorite example is my Kunai riven. Who even uses kunais at MR8? Multishot, damage to Corpus and fire rate? Still a useless weapon, in their eyes. But that thing has 0 spread.

Are you saying that kunai fire in a straight line unlike all of the other throwing knives/stars that fire in a V shape? That would be cool. 

[(XBOX)Devo 20 XD 6]

Very insightful replys thanks everyone who has been sharing their thoughts and examples. 

I have found out months ago that it is hard to sell riven mods. They have to be "Godlike" or unrolled to have a decent chance at selling (there is also unveiled but those are easy to sell) . I have sold a couple of rivens and in my experience my only results were unrolled and a weapon specifically requested by the buyer. If they want it bad enough they will spend an honest amount of Plat both parties can agree on. I have had potential buyers not wanting to haggle or raise their expected price tag, so that happens as well. I do not lower my prices for those types of buyers who seem like they are trying to rip you off and back out. I can be wrong to about how much a riven may be worth but I am willing to haggle and I do a bit of research on the riven so I am not way off if I am wrong so an intelligent buyer could easily make a deal. 

 

6 hours ago, (PS4)s3d_sas said:

Your question depends on the weapon itself and also most players are looking “god rolls” for a cheap price that’s why when you showed them your rivens they didn’t want it because it’s not what he/she exactly wants 

I know that people throw the term God roll like candy to get people to part with more Plat and rip people off to sometimes an enormous overpayment. I did not know people used other terminology like "decent" to look for God rolls. I will definitely remember this, thank you! 

 

I really have no interest in selling any of my rivens that are remotely close to God rolls at the time of this post. I am sure that will change as my riven mod collection has been improving in quality of riven mods slowly over time. The majority of riven mods I want to sell nobody wants, and I learned to accept that. Either I have no life and farm kuva all day and night to attempt better rolls or I do what I actually do and use riven transmuters. 

[Sunai_Moonswing]

1 hour ago, (XB1)Devo 20 XD 6 said:

Are you saying that kunai fire in a straight line unlike all of the other throwing knives/stars that fire in a V shape? That would be cool. 

Yes. I have 300+ multishot. Only one visible projectile and impact marker, confirmed with Concealed Explosives, and a friend out in the plains 100m away. Kunai, Spira, Hikou, Despair and Fusilai all have 100 accuracy, meaning at max damage falloff, there is no shot grouping. It all hits the same spot.

Castanas, Fusilai secondary fire and the other thrown explosive were given artificial spread to increase usefulness in hallway and defensive combat. But, should you fire several times from one spot without aiming away, will keep hitting the same spot.

 

[(PSN)Deadmennwalking]

14 hours ago, (XB1)Devo 20 XD 6 said:

I am still new at trading riven mods, not new to the game. Some player asks to show links for decent riven mods as they are looking to buy. I show them two of my rivens that I consider decent. They say "pass give up". I wasn't going to try to go through all my rivens and send them links desperately trying to make Plat, though it seems that people do that or they wouldn't have said give up. My question is, what is considered to be a decent riven? It seems like they really mean really good rivens, so why not ask for really good ones? 

As another player responded, rivens are very subjective. Just like warframe and weapon builds. There may be some "base" items on most builds but after that it is up to the player.

Rivens seem to take this to a whole aother level. I recently had a player post wtb rubico groll. Sent a link to my riven (by any standard considered a top tier groll cc,cd,multi, neg) just to see what the reaction would be. Was duly surprised to get the response, no thanks, waiting for a groll. Sent back a hahahaha and moved on.

Might I suggest only replying to players to players that post for a specific weapon riven, send your riven link, have an idea of what price you want, don't get stressed if it takes a while to sell the riven.

Have fun and may RNG be forever in your favor.

[Leqesai]

Decent basically means a riven has some desired stats but not all, or has a negative that isn't ideal.

[(PSN)kite9000]

'decent' means that they either don't know what they are looking for or don't know what would be good or that they want to be able to undercut your asking price significantly or are just looking for an excuse to be able to insult people.

 

It's not rare to see someone asking for a riven for weapon 'x'. Then when you offer them one they go 'no that's trash I want something with CC,CD, damage, MS and a harmless negative.

You got to wonder that if they have something specific in mind why didn't they ask for it in the first place.

If you happen to have a riven that should suit there needs and offer that you'll get 'it's garbage because it's been rolled' or 'it's garbage (even unrolled) it's stats are not big enough'. And if they can't use either of those lines they'll go 'it's for a weapon no one is using so you should sell it to me for ridiculous low amount of plat'. The most silly ones are those that go that you should roll it until you have the stats they want and then offer it to them. By that time they'll either have moved on and don't want it, they still don't want it because it's not exactly the stats they want up to the decimal point, or if they do want it you'll see that they'll still only are willing to pay far under market value.

In other words, don't bother with those that can't be bothered to do their homework or can't be bothered to actual state what they want.

 

It's akin to those that WTB a Kubrow but after you contacted them it suddenly becomes clear that they want a female bulky lotus with specific colours and of course a specific breed and how dare you ask more then 10p for the 2 imprints.

 

BTW, also don't bother with anyone that uses the word 'cheap' in their WTB and the same applies for Groll if they don't provide the stats they're looking for. Either they don't know a groll if it would bite them or they have specific stats in mind that may or may not be considered a Groll by other people.

 

[(XBOX)Devo 20 XD 6]

On 2019-07-21 at 1:17 PM, Sunai_Moonswing said:

Kunai, Spira, Hikou, Despair and Fusilai all have 100 accuracy, meaning at max damage falloff, there is no shot grouping. It all hits the same spot.

I know we are getting off topic now, but are you saying only at max damage falloff range there is no shot grouping? I haven't tested or saw results of a test of that. All I know is last time I tested the spread of Spira Prime it is a V shape. It is a fairly tight spread but not pin point accurate to one single spot. It is pin point accurate to three spots in a V shape. These results were not at the range of the results you described, they were much closer range. 

[(XBOX)Devo 20 XD 6]

On 2019-07-22 at 5:17 AM, (PS4)kite9000 said:

'decent' means that they either don't know what they are looking for or don't know what would be good or that they want to be able to undercut your asking price significantly or are just looking for an excuse to be able to insult people.

This is probably the best answer in a nut shell from what I have been reading and from personal experience.