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Theory about the Ultimate Frame.

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Hello Everyone. 

I am glad I have theory would 1 of the greatest risk to commit this step.

We know all the Warframes are classified into  regular frame - Primed frame - and Umbral Frame ( Excalibur Umbra is only 1 at the moment )

We must understand those things :-  
The non-Primed its :- Warframe + Orokin Design ( not full orokin technology) or ( based on tenno style) 
The Primed is about :- Warframe + Orokin Technology
The Umbral is about :- Primed + Infestation Culture. 
The Nidus Warframe is :- Unknown person (Volunteers or not) ...   + infestation Culture.

(We cultured the Infestation, conceiving of a hybrid. Transformed, but only just. The 'Helminth' was created, born to yield these new warriors, worthy of battle against you, the great and terrible Hunhow.") +But only just. Their skin blossomed into sword-steel. Their organs, interlinked with untold resilience. Yet their minds were free of the Infested madness.) 
so indeed The infestation culture was a great weapon occurred in Old War. 
 

The Revenant Warframe :- Frame (or person) + Sentient Energy ( typed Eidolon Energy). 

both infestation Culture and Sentient Energy caused them to have previous step.... the Sacrifice

that we know. but what about the the two of them in primed frame? 

New Warframe = Primed + Infestation Clu.. + Sentient Energy

Other Words
Umbral Frame (Like Excalibur) + Sentient Energy (like Revenant).

But..., Shadow stalker Guessed somehow is the one who sacrificed again with sentient energy. 
as he may counter Excalibur Umbra.

but Excalibur Umbra may Equal with Shadow Stalker because .. 
Umbra has = infestation culture + primed with technology + Tenno transference.
Shadow = Infestation Culture  + Primed technology + Sentient Energy

in 2nd dream tenno can counter sentients. but he was weak.
in Jovian Concord, Ropalolyst Counters some Tenno power. ( and We suspect a more dangerous the ropalolyst). 
Imagine a frame like stalker + tenno transference?
who would stop him? 

 

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All warframes are orokin techonolgy and all of them are infested also.

Primes are prototypes and Umbra is kinda the same except he has memories and he can fight without a tenno.

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the ultimate frame ? give saryn stealth and u have the ultimate frame....

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Jack is correct - all Warframes use the Infestation to build itself, with Orokin Tech to channel Void Energy and use it in specific ways. 

I think the idea of an 'ultimate warframe' is a bit off - the point of warframes is that it is malleable, tools that can fit to almost any situation. 

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If there truly is an ultimate Warframe capable of bending all of reality to his or her own will, they'd need a name befitting the absolutely powerful demeanor of an ultimate.

AND HIS NAME IS...

time will crawl GIF

Or Kevin.

 

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I'd call it the Vault Hunter Frame, just for kicks.

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As mentionned earlier, what you said isn't totally accurate.

It's more like :

  • Regular warframes - Attempt at reproducing prime warframe which are advanced orokin technology.
     
  • Prime warframes - Infestation stabilised by orokin technology. Maybe made from a living person but we don't have much informations about it, the lore for some prime warframe actually say that, but we don't know it's all prime warframe or only the first iteration, maybe that first iteration is Umbra.
     
  • Umbra warframes - Infestation stabilised by orokin technology, pretty much like prime warframes, but with a living person inside, still awake. We don't know much about them but they seems to be unique.
     
  • Nidus - Regular warframe, but without the infestation contained by orokin technology, or at least less contained. It may a failed attempt at something else or just intended, but it has nothing really special.
     
  • Revenant - His lore isn't well explained and I honestly can say nothing about him, I personally feel like he breaks the lore.
     
  • Shadow stalker - We don't know much about the stalker so we can't say much about it but the advanced power he got from sentient doesn't seems to affect him negatively, it's much more like the War give him these power, so he is not directly affect by sentient energy.

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I can't really catch your idea. But I'd like to comment on part of it.

27 minutes ago, Eidolonic_Umbra said:

We must understand those things :-  
The non-Primed its :- Warframe + Orokin Design ( not full orokin technology) or ( based on tenno style) 
The Primed is about :- Warframe + Orokin Technology
The Umbral is about :- Primed + Infestation Culture. 
The Nidus Warframe is :- Unknown person (Volunteers or not) ...   + infestation Culture.

I think you over complicated the idea of warframe. I don't represent every individual but a widely accepted theory is like this:

Primed warframe: Orokin-made prototype, or with enhanced Orokin technology

Normal warframe: Tenno-made or mass production type

Umbra is one of its own kind coz it's custom-made by Ballas with a special transference bolt (whatever it is) and he's given a strong and painful memory to "help" him retain part of his consciousness. He's closer to primed warframes but he's not really one of them.

Nidus is a normal warframe with a special strain of infestation virus which is more controllable than the usual one. There is supposed to be a primed version too.

Spoiler

ALL warframes have infested inside according to info given in TS. Umbra is not special coz of the infestation but rather his strong memory. 

 

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16 hours ago, JackHargreav said:

All warframes are orokin techonolgy and all of them are infested also.

Primes are prototypes and Umbra is kinda the same except he has memories and he can fight without a tenno.

Actually the normal frames are the Prototypes and the Primes are the finished work.
Umbra is a Unique frame made from a Dax Soldier named Umbra who`s gone through a traumatic experience. You wont see other frames with Umbra in their names.

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primes are the originals , regular frames are the mass produced eco models, same capabilities and close stats made from cheaper materials

as it stands

Prime<=>Umbra

then regular frames , all regular frames have a prime variant per DE , umbra variants been up for debate 

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22 hours ago, Eidolonic_Umbra said:

who would stop him? 

Vauban would just use 1 and stun him

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23 hours ago, JackHargreav said:

All warframes are orokin techonolgy and all of them are infested also.

Primes are prototypes and Umbra is kinda the same except he has memories and he can fight without a tenno.

Which kinda screws with me because weren't all warframes originally made from people?

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On 2019-07-23 at 5:12 AM, lukinu_u said:
  • Regular warframes - Attempt at reproducing prime warframe which are advanced orokin technology.

Not really. It is known that regular warframes existed in Orokin era. Most likely they are cheaper mass-produced variants.

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On 2019-07-23 at 2:44 AM, JackHargreav said:

All warframes are orokin techonolgy and all of them are infested also.

Primes are prototypes and Umbra is kinda the same except he has memories and he can fight without a tenno.

No, it is even stated somewhere on the site that non primed frames are NOT orokin technology. Lore wise, do you think that the orokin would not have put some kind of fail safe, insta deactivate button on the prime version? We have already seen something like in a certain quest where a certain frame tries something against a certain orokin and, in the new intro cinematic, we clearly see non primed frames fighting orokin forces that clearly happens after the supposed betrayal from the Tenno. They used non primed frames for that exact purpose, while being technically "inferior" to the actual real deal (primed version) they most likely didn't suffer from any eventual fail safe the primed would have had. Normal frames and weapons (the ones that are eligible for primed version at least) are based on orokin tech but are not.

 

EDIT

Besides, where do people get the idea that primes where prototype? Did you heard/read that from some actual lore source or dev? Even Umbra frames cannot be strictly considered prototype as the only one we are aware of was created with explicit intent of taking revenge of the "volounteer".

https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/prototype

"A first or preliminary version of a device or vehicle from which other forms are developed."

An ultra advanced space fairing race would never develop prototypes and make inferior copies, especially when dealing with more powerful opponents.

 

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On ‎2019‎-‎07‎-‎23 at 3:49 AM, Xydeth said:

the ultimate frame ? give saryn stealth and u have the ultimate frame....


Saryn already utilizes the ultimate stealth technique.

Резултат с изображение за nobody will notice if there's nobody to notice

 

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vor 12 Stunden schrieb Ver1dian:


Saryn already utilizes the ultimate stealth technique.

Резултат с изображение за nobody will notice if there's nobody to notice

 

she does, but invis would literally make her perfect.

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