(PSN)SithDave Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 Trading on the Nintendo Switch is a disaster it really needs to be fixed. For example Ash Prime and Vauban Prime sell for over 1k, this is just stupid. PC scammers that migrated inventory over when Switch warframe came out say its all supply and demand, that is a load of BS. They are vultures that have been picking the bones clean of users since day 1 of release. It's no wonder 90% of the star chart is barren more than half a year after it was released on the switch, Why would people continue to play warframe on the switch when they can just turn on their PC PS4 or XBOX and play it there and get more for A LOT LESS plat. DE can keep people on the switch by putting vaulted relics up for sale in the market at least for 1 month to get more out there, I am sure most people would rather buy platinum and spend it on vaulted relics to farm the frames they want (and to sell) than to waste it by giving it to scammers from the PC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krc473 Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 1 minute ago, (PS4)SithDave said: For example Ash Prime and Vauban Prime sell for over 1k, this is just stupid This is called a ‘free market’. People can charge whatever they like, DE does not interfere. If you do not agree with the price go farm the items. People would stop charging 1k+ plat for stuff if people were not buying it. 2 minutes ago, (PS4)SithDave said: PC scammers that migrated inventory over when Switch warframe came out say its all supply and demand, that is a load of BS. Have you ever found a scammer on PC? I sure haven’t. Supply and Demand is a perfectly fair explanation. PC had times when stuff sold for over 1k plat too. No one considered this a scam, people just purchased it. 4 minutes ago, (PS4)SithDave said: Why would people continue to play warframe on the switch when they can just turn on their PC PS4 or XBOX and play it there and get more for A LOT LESS plat. Aside from wanting to play on Switch, and not caring about how much stuff costs? Probably no reason. Stuff selling for 1k would not stop me playing on Switch. Nodes are empty because there is no reason to do them. Quit blaming the prices of stuff. If you don’t like it, don’t buy it. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Hikuro-93 Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 (edited) It is supply and demand. Those sets are rare there at the moment. Remember when Ember was 1k? Or Frost? Or any new frame was consistently 1k on the release week? It's nothing new, and if people are willing to buy them they are free to do so. Prices will eventually set themselves woth each unvaulting, nothing to cause a drama. It's not like they have to buy vaulted prime gear, or that there is such a big difference from regular to prime on frames. Edited July 24, 2019 by (PS4)Hikuro-93 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)SithDave Posted July 24, 2019 Author Share Posted July 24, 2019 Supply and demand is a load of BS. Switch Warframe should not have been treated the same way as when the Ps4 and Xbox versions came out. IF you never played on the switch then you might not know there are VERY FEW PEOPLE ON IT. The community is not getting bigger it is getting smaller, and the smaller it gets the higher the scammers keep hiking stuff up. More vaulted items needs to get into circulation and not from the inventories of the PC transfers, even their inventory will run out at some point. This is 2019, almost everyone has a PC in their house. Why would people continue to play on a platform that will cost them more? The trading needs to be fixed or more people are going to leave it for another platform. DE can fix this just by putting vaulted relics up for sale in the market. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Hikuro-93 Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, (PS4)SithDave said: Supply and demand is a load of BS. It really isn't. Whether you accept it or not is of no consequence. 9 minutes ago, (PS4)SithDave said: there are VERY FEW PEOPLE ON IT Color me surprised that a system that released very recently on an hardware limited platform still has limited amounts of players. 9 minutes ago, (PS4)SithDave said: More vaulted items needs to get into circulation and not from the inventories of the PC transfers, even their inventory will run out at some point. They will, eventually. But you cannot ask for Switch to get special treatment just because you decided to start a new account on it and want the shiny stuff easily and in a cheap way right off the bat. Nyx and Rhino are available if I'm not mistaken. Others will follow. 9 minutes ago, (PS4)SithDave said: Why would people continue to play on a platform that will cost them more? Optional stuff is only as costly as your despair to get it. All in all, this seems very motivated by bias and impatience. Edited July 24, 2019 by (PS4)Hikuro-93 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormy505 Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 7 minutes ago, (PS4)SithDave said: Supply and demand is a load of BS. Switch Warframe should not have been treated the same way as when the Ps4 and Xbox versions came out. IF you never played on the switch then you might not know there are VERY FEW PEOPLE ON IT. The community is not getting bigger it is getting smaller, and the smaller it gets the higher the scammers keep hiking stuff up. More vaulted items needs to get into circulation and not from the inventories of the PC transfers, even their inventory will run out at some point. This is 2019, almost everyone has a PC in their house. Why would people continue to play on a platform that will cost them more? The trading needs to be fixed or more people are going to leave it for another platform. DE can fix this just by putting vaulted relics up for sale in the market. If there's more demand then supply the prices go up. And as long as people are buying, you can't really call it over priced. That's how free markets work. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaotyke Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 Potatoes were going for $6,99 4 weeks ago in my street. This week its for $3,49. Supply low: prices rise. Supply high: prices lower. If you think supply and deman is BS, then I wish you good luck in real life. Because there is BS everywhere for you to deal with. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhuug Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 40 minutes ago, (PS4)SithDave said: Trading on the Nintendo Switch is a disaster it really needs to be fixed. For example Ash Prime and Vauban Prime sell for over 1k, this is just stupid. PC scammers that migrated inventory over when Switch warframe came out say its all supply and demand, that is a load of BS. They are vultures that have been picking the bones clean of users since day 1 of release. It's no wonder 90% of the star chart is barren more than half a year after it was released on the switch, Why would people continue to play warframe on the switch when they can just turn on their PC PS4 or XBOX and play it there and get more for A LOT LESS plat. DE can keep people on the switch by putting vaulted relics up for sale in the market at least for 1 month to get more out there, I am sure most people would rather buy platinum and spend it on vaulted relics to farm the frames they want (and to sell) than to waste it by giving it to scammers from the PC. or they could just let you migrate whenever, wich is what they should have done in the first place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Kakurine2 Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 De and the consoles have to negotiate already. If the consoles deny de theres nothing they can do. I probably should havr started on pc. And would have used a ps4 controler over a mouse and keyboard. But since i have sunk so much into my ps4 theres no going back. Since i have most things i don't have to be concerned. Free market economy runs on supply and demand. As a buyer you can choose to walk away at any time. Realize primes are only minorally better then their normal variants. Plat is valuable. There is nothing worth thousands of plat period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(NSW)Linntheque Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 14 minutes ago, Kaotyke said: Potatoes were going for $6,99 4 weeks ago in my street. Catalysts or Reactors? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaotyke Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 16 minutes ago, (NSW)Linntheque said: Catalysts or Reactors? They were yellow, so reactors. Can you imagine the tennonity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)The Neko Otaku Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, (PS4)SithDave said: Trading on the Nintendo Switch is a disaster it really needs to be fixed. For example Ash Prime and Vauban Prime sell for over 1k, this is just stupid. PC scammers that migrated inventory over when Switch warframe came out say its all supply and demand, that is a load of BS. They are vultures that have been picking the bones clean of users since day 1 of release. But that is supply and demand. Ash and vauban prime have yet to come out of the vault so supply of parts are scarce (especially vauban with his all gold rarity parts) and thus in return the parts/sets go for large amount in the free market of trade. Also most of these people probably aren't able to get the final sale cause people haggle, you probably talk most of those seller down to 800 depending on the person. Calling people scammers cause they they brought rare items to a console that never had them in the first place is extremely dumb statement. They get plat and buyer gets a rare frame to play with without the long wait for the vault, that's basic trading supply and demand. Edited July 25, 2019 by (XB1)The Neko Otaku Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormy505 Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 56 minutes ago, rhuug said: or they could just let you migrate whenever, wich is what they should have done in the first place each company, Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo don't want any players leaving their platforms for another platform. while DE on the other hand wins whichever plat form the player plays on. its why you can go from pc to console at the launch of a console but not the other way around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhuug Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 (edited) 21 minutes ago, stormy505 said: each company, Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo don't want any players leaving their platforms for another platform. while DE on the other hand wins whichever plat form the player plays on. its why you can go from pc to console at the launch of a console but not the other way around. yes, i well aware, i'd never argue for player from console to come to pc anyway but the opppsite should be possible whenever, nintendo was happy about getting warframe enough to promote it (also no nintendo sub required for playing) and i wouldn't immagine them saying no to potential new customers buying the platform and i honestly don't care about the other consoles since the tread is about switch specifically but just to be fair microsoft already stated in the past they are all for crossing account regardless of the game and it just make sense considering they operate on both pc and platform. the only real stingy company about cross play and migrations is sony,wich again it makes sense since it's always been they position from the start Edited July 25, 2019 by rhuug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aldain Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 I've been on the Switch version since launch...and honestly, its mostly Vaulted things and Rivens that are way up there in price, everything else is extremely volatile and can go from high to dirt cheap prices in days. I mean I only sell for what I need when it comes to plat and if it isn't something I really want I don't crowbar my wallet. Most of the time the only people getting screwed on the market are those with zero impulse control or who are so naive that they don't even bother checking prices elsewhere for general reference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HugintheCrow Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 2 hours ago, (PS4)SithDave said: snip Capitalism irl is a disaster for way longer and nobody is fixing it, so I doubt it will happen in warframe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lutesque Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 I mean.... in the first Hour when Wukong Prime came out he was 500 Platinum.... so yeah.... Supply and demand and The prices are determined by what people are willing to pay for it.... which is why I don't have Vauban Prime in my inventory..... I don't have 200 Platinum to just throw around.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Viveeeh Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 3 hours ago, Aldain said: Most of the time the only people getting screwed on the market are those with zero impulse control or who are so naive that they don't even bother checking prices elsewhere for general reference. I like this sentence because it's equally true if you're talking about Warframe and real life. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aldain Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 Just now, (PS4)Viveeeh said: I like this sentence because it's equally true if you're talking about Warframe and real life. Sadly that's business, the best way to address it is not top down changes either, you'd need to either do bottom up with new sellers at lower prices or from the middle in both directions to better adjust the market curve. Or in simpler terms, undercut the everloving -clem- out of the people gouging the prices while still maintaining a profit margin. This may not be applicable in real life 100%, but in game markets the only way to keep prices down is through vigorous downward angled price wars. The reason this tactic can work in games is because supply is theoretically infinite ergo the only investment is time, with enough management of supplies it is also possible to keep markup retail snipers from gaining footholds to reinstate the excessive prices. A good way to deal with this would require a few guilds of market sellers to prevent a monopoly (or the Riven Mafia) from taking control and causing another case of exploitation of the naive or impulsive. If anyone is wondering why I wrote all of this, I need to justify my College Degree in Business Management at least once per year or the college will throw tomatos at me. Also I'm bored and rambling like this is fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireSegment Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 5 hours ago, (PS4)SithDave said: The community is not getting bigger it is getting smaller, and the smaller it gets the higher the scammers keep hiking stuff up. Ok first, scammer is a word use for ppl that dont intend to deliver the stuff that is a part of like selling an ember set without ember main BP, or selling Soma set without the stock for example. A scammer would intentionally deceive you during a specific trade, or feed you the false information during that trade. Don't lump people that simply responding to market price increase as scammer. This situation in your topic here ain't no scammer. The word that you seek for here is shark player and high baller. They exist in every platform, PC, PS4 and Xbox already have this very stage when some items worth got bloated to ridiculous amount and no doubt that the less of them around, the more healthy the game become. It just happen to be Switch turn now. "Free market" here is not an excuse for the state of the market, surely it is the not the optimal state as it would alienate new player that want to play the game in stead of start on the bad end a trading stock market simulation. DE are firmly aware of situation when price go unreasonable high and, just from my experience with PC here, but they almost always change/address the drop table to make the next stuff less rare or let more players have a fair chance at obtain it later on. It happen with Frost and Ember prime, it happen with Baro's first batch of mods, it happen with Arcane, Acolyte mods and much more (each of the example i give here all used to be over 1k plat btw, i should know, i spent too much time on this game). The point i'm trying to come across here is that if u don't like the current market state, then don't involve in it. Do something else, farm the stuff if possible, take a break. After a few month, either the market would correct itself and price would be reasonable again, or DE would step in and release Unvault special edition: Vauban and Friends to keep the market from tipping over. Being push away from the market isn't the same as being push away from playing, new player would still coming for the game own merit, and the more honest player that decide to not participate in the shark tank, the faster the market would correct the shark away. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(NSW)RenlyBaratheon Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 I'm wishing that DE will unvault Ash Prime on the next prime vault alongside with Vauban Prime or maybe Trinity Prime but to be honest, I'm also sceptical since Ash Prime was been given for free on the last year TennoCon and Trinity was been given for free as a reward pack from Twitch Prime. I have no issue with plat, I can purchase it right away whenever I need it but come on, who is crazy enough to buy 1500-2000plat for a single vaulted prime ? I don't blame the opportunist from migration because of what I've heard was back then those frames are pretty cheap. Someone also mentioned that he bought Ash Prime set for 150plat, but it was 6 months ago. So yeah, at some point I disagree to your statement especially when you called people scammers just because some frames are highly expensive. This is free market, there's nothing you can do. Supply and demand rule the price, that is how economic works. Back to my first point, the only thing that we can do is hoping that DE would read this thread and hopefully they would change their mind to unvault those expensive vaulted frames. Even if they don't, I don't mind to wait a little bit longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aldain Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, (NSW)RenlyBaratheon said: who is crazy enough to buy 1500-2000plat for a single vaulted prime ? People with low impulse control. ...No really that's the major reason anyone spends any amount of currency for something drastically overpriced. Also once the vaulted primes re-release on Switch they will inevitably be struck by huge levels of buyer's remorse and the forum will be flooded with threads of people complaining that their 1.6k Prime is now able to be farmed by everyone and that they are no longer special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GABRIEL0296 Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 switch itself is a gimmick in the first place...so is the switch version of warframe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(NSW)RenlyBaratheon Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 1 minute ago, Aldain said: People with low impulse control. ...No really that's the major reason anyone spends any amount of currency for something drastically overpriced. Also once the vaulted primes re-release on Switch they will inevitably be struck by huge levels of buyer's remorse and the forum will be flooded with threads of people complaining that their 1.6k Prime is now able to be farmed by everyone and that they are no longer special. Ah you're right, but to be honest, I'm also kind of those person...period. I push myself to buy Valkyr Prime for 600plat. It is worth it for me (personally) since Valkyr Prime has been vaulted last year and she wouldn't be re-release anytime soon. Rhino Prime was priced at 600-1000plat before he & Nyx Prime unvaulted but look at them now, the price slowly goes down to 150-250plat. Patient is a virtue. 🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aldain Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 3 minutes ago, (NSW)RenlyBaratheon said: Ah you're right, but to be honest, I'm also kind of those person...period. I push myself to buy Valkyr Prime for 600plat. It is worth it for me (personally) since Valkyr Prime has been vaulted last year and she wouldn't be re-release anytime soon. Rhino Prime was priced at 600-1000plat before he & Nyx Prime unvaulted but look at them now, the price slowly goes down to 150-250plat. Patient is a virtue. 🙂 Hey at least you had enough restraint to not do what some people do for Rivens, no joke I saw somebody in Trade chat on the Switch version wanting to buy a Gram riven for something like 5k plat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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