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Looking for consensus about amp prisms

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With all the rage about the flavor-of-the-month amps, such as the (x)-2-7 or what have you, I have both the Shraksun scaffold and the Certus brace. But my question is to you guys.

What prism would you guys reccomend for either, if not both, eidolons and normal missions. I have done deep googling and searched hi and lo and not found anything about prisms in particular outside of the plain information about their stats. That's not what I'm looking for, I'm wanting to get second opinions about what prisms that are recommended and why. How they handle, fire rate, energy consumption, range, accuracy and overal which prism just "feels right" according to anybody out there who isn't just gonna say the useless "prisms don't matter"

So please, anyone out there. What is your prefered prism and why? I've been getting sick of the Swaak prism as its fire rate and severely limited range is is far too sluggish for my tastes.

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The only reason to ever use your prism (primary fire) in eidolon hunts is to dump your Void Strike (VS) stacks so you can start charging 8 new stacks.

Raplak (1) and Schwaak (2) are both slow to dump VS stacks. 1 stack per left click and the fire rate is pretty bad. On the upside, you won't accidentally blow all your VS if you fat finger left click by mistake.

Granmu (3) fires a 3 shot burst so it dumps faster but if you fat finger left click, you will dump 3 stacks so be careful with mistaken inputs.

Rahn (4) is a full auto prism. It fires pretty fast and dumps 1 stack per pellet while holding down left click. This is the prism I use most frequently for eidolon hunting because I can dump my VS pretty quick but if I accidentally left click, I will only lose 1 or 2 stacks (depending on how quickly I release left click), so its quite forgiving with regards to accidental mouse inputs.

Lega (6) and Klamora (7) will dump all your stacks instantly so if you have 8 stacks of pre-charged 60x VS and you accidentally left click, you can kiss goodbye to all your damage. Klamora multi-hits like crazy in a very short amount of time so it has some interesting non-VS benefits. If playing Chroma I sometimes proc virtuos shadow by flicking the head with Klamora in between spamming wisps.

I haven't used Cantic (5) prism in Eidolons yet. Its 3 shot burst though so I'm guessing its similar to Granmu in terms of dumping VS.

All amps will not consume a VS stack if you fire, exceed max range and hit nothing. You have to hit something to dump a stack. It can be the wall or the ground. So if you shoot at the sky, your VS stack counter won't go down, but if you aim into the ground, it will.

All of my amps are either Shraksun/Certus (x27) or Propa/Certus (x77) for eidolon hunting. These are crit amps with short range, wide aoe secondary fire modes. Eidolons have status immunity so thats the reason I use crit amps exclusively.

I find it annoying to swap my amp constantly because operators don't have loadouts for each warframe. So when I say things like Rahn out DPSes Lega, that is on the basis that you use crit braces with crit arcanes. I don't know how things change if you build a status amp.

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8 minutes ago, Hawk_of_the_Reborn said:

What prism would you guys reccomend for eidolons

None because Prism suck at this job

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1 minute ago, Hawk_of_the_Reborn said:

Can't exactly build an amp without a prism. So cmon, man.

Use whatever you feel comfortable with. Shwaak is decent for normal missions. I like Rahn because it has much more Range.

But like I said: you don't use prisms in Eidolon fights except Vomvalysts (so maybe Shwaak?) because the damage is so low compared to Shraksun it's just not worth wasting your VS stacks

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There's no consensus to that. You can use any prism you like, because they really don't matter.

There isn't a prism that's gonna make your amp the Ultimate Primed Amp. Just pick whatever you like (or maybe something you feel you need, which would probably be more range).

I enjoy using operators in normal missions, but most of the time I'm just spamming the Shraksun scaffold to:

1 - Kill groups enemies, or at least get that bubble around them.

2 - Destroy containers.

3 - Destroy kuva clouds.

When enemies are too far away to be hit, I'm going to either ignore them or use my primary/secondary weapon.
In eidolon hunts, vomvalysts are either flying around me or around the eidolon, and both are within the Shraksun range.

I'm not sure if it's a case of Prisms being bad/subpar or Scaffolds being really good, but even without the Shraksun, I would be spamming the T1 scaffold shots, instead of using my Prism.

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Well the main ones ive used are the Shwaak (as that used to be the main shield damage weapon tell Flak grenades where found out how to be used) the main one I tend to us now though is the Klamora. Its not fantastic but dam if I dont love just 'instant transmission' (dash) to a target and 'Kamahamaha'ing them (seemed it got a buff on its energy consumption too, but that could just be the fact i finally waybounded all the passives) 

I know the main one I used for a great long while was the Granmu, as the grenades if aimed right can go a decent distance, and they do moderately good damage too. Liked using the Lega to but that's a short range flame thrower. 

Ive tried them all though for mastery, and sadly any of the long range ones that aren't the Shwaak are just kind of terrible, why the whole stigma behind 'the prisma dont matter' really exists, they just, dont, function. But, id say go for fun, based on what you said above id try out the Granmu, its a bit slow but its burst fire 3 grenades, so it should do what you want it to, without it being the Shwaak. 

whatever you choose, i hope you can find a way to enjoy it!

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Just now, (PS4)Quantaminum said:

There's no consensus to that. You can use any prism you like, because they really don't matter.

There isn't a prism that's gonna make your amp the Ultimate Primed Amp. Just pick whatever you like (or maybe something you feel you need, which would probably be more range).

I enjoy using operators in normal missions, but most of the time I'm just spamming the Shraksun scaffold to:

1 - Kill groups enemies, or at least get that bubble around them.

2 - Destroy containers.

3 - Destroy kuva clouds.

When enemies are too far away to be hit, I'm going to either ignore them or use my primary/secondary weapon.
In eidolon hunts, vomvalysts are either flying around me or around the eidolon, and both are within the Shraksun range.

I'm not sure if it's a case of Prisms being bad/subpar or Scaffolds being really good, but even without the Shraksun, I would be spamming the T1 scaffold shots, instead of using my Prism.

Again, I'm not looking for a "end all be all" prism. I'm looking for one that doesn't feel like a still-born dumpster fire every time I shoot. I hate the shwaak because of its 2-inch range and what feels like 50 years between each shot. It really sucks against nullifier bubbles and I can't take out distant targets with it. I'm currently using the Centic prism and it has been pretty neat overall, but is there any others that has the accuracy and range that it has without feeling like I have to be an eagle-eyed sniper just to hit anything that moves?

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5 minutes ago, Hawk_of_the_Reborn said:

Again, I'm not looking for a "end all be all" prism. I'm looking for one that doesn't feel like a still-born dumpster fire every time I shoot. I hate the shwaak because of its 2-inch range and what feels like 50 years between each shot. It really sucks against nullifier bubbles and I can't take out distant targets with it. I'm currently using the Centic prism and it has been pretty neat overall, but is there any others that has the accuracy and range that it has without feeling like I have to be an eagle-eyed sniper just to hit anything that moves?

Simple answer? nope, you got pretty much the longest range one that can be somewhat effective right there.

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11 minutes ago, WellIHopeThisOneWorks said:

Simple answer? nope, you got pretty much the longest range one that can be somewhat effective right there.

Aw poo. Well thanks anyway.

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Gotta use the Klamora Prism for the style points.

(And hope to god they ever buff the range and/or ammo consumption on it.)

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it's pretty simple really. either pick one that has a Fire Rate that is conducive for you (either fast or slow, pick based on native DPS (incase you are out of Void Strike Charges for whatever reason and still want to do decent Damage), or based on what you think looks cool.

Klamora (wide short Flamethrower) covers both native DPS and high Fire Rate. pick whatever for lower Fire Rates, whatever works really.

if you want to ensure your Prism can be useful for Damage, pick something that has good Crit Stats.

 

personally i use Raplak (sniper/DMR) because it has high Range and the highest Crit Chance per hit. simply as an emergency tool incase i'm just getting so cheated by RNG from no Crits that i just give up and shoot with my Prism because i've already wasted so many Charges on not getting any Crits.

9 hours ago, GnarlsDarkley said:

except Vomvalysts (so maybe Shwaak?)

eh, even for that i think that Prism is highly overrated. you'd need multiple Shots to Kill the Vomvalyst, and it has a low Rate of Fire.
it can make up for that con if there's a small army of Vomvalysts around but that's pretty rare >.>
and you could just Dash a few times for groups anyways.

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I like the 5.  Whatever it's called.  The first prism from Fortuna.  Kills vombylsts with one trigger pull and does decent damage on regular enemies.  Also kills the portals pretty quick if you need to do that.

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