The situation is tragic

[(XBOX)SandioKan93]

Hi DE.

The situation is becoming unsustainable, you cannot concentrate only on adding skins and new activities if in the end, after a couple of weeks there is nothing more to do.

One of the main problems is the riven mods and the kuva in general, which is one, if not the only reason why veterans continue to play, a system that is currently destroying the game. I have a proposal to stem the problem.

Remove the kuva missions that are just frustrating, give too little respect to the cost of ONE ROLL after 10, and only a waste of time since the rolls are based on RNG.

The second part of my proposal is to add kuva as a resource that can be deduced from the death of kuva greneer to kuva fortress (40-80 kuva to each grenner), like the hexenon on jupiter, in addition to the kuva pylon (which should be increased the reward ... 200 kuva, but really !?).

Third proposal. The possibility of blocking a statist of the mod (as the division) and reducing the costs of the rolls. Finally ... PUT THE KUVA IN THE REWARDS IN THE ENDLESS GAME MODE ... STOP WITH THE NEO, especially in arbitration or onslaught, which are already boring (a drop after 10 minutes of survival or 10 waves in defense ?!) then if the rewards are also worthless (apart from some mods), sculptures and endo ?! Why !!!? Put endo and kuva, I don't really understand, it doesn't make sense.

What is the point of spending whole days looking for the perfect rolls (which don't arrive) if then every three months of the statistics ?! Okay, there are balances some riven are obviously BROKEN, but in the end the riven mods are more fun, a "reason" for which players continue to play warframe, a refinement.

These proposals also go to "fix" the painful condition of the trade of riven. If it is easier to have the right rolls obviously the costs will be lowered and people will no longer ask for 2k plat for a riven of fulm, kohm, gram etc etc, which then makes no sense even to buy them if then in three months will go to disp 1 -2. Really, the game is fantastic you have enormous potential to become the best FTP in history, but if you keep on not listening to the serious demands of the players and only hitting those who want the ZEPHYR DELUXE ..... zephyr? But who uses it ?, currently it is useless ...

This is my point of view regarding loss of interest in the game once it arrives at the end game that does not exist. I would like to know what you think about EXCLUDING this proposal on the kuva and the riven, and please, answer in a constructive way because if we start writing things that don't hit anything this topic will go back into oblivion and we wouldn't go anywhere.

Thank you all and thank you DE ❤️

[JackHargreav]

And after the "Hi De" I stopped reading.

[Firetempest]

Just now, (XB1)Nerf Napalm said:

Hi DE.

The situation is becoming unsustainable, you cannot concentrate only on adding skins and new activities if in the end, after a couple of weeks there is nothing more to do.

 

Spongebob *6 years later" meme.

[Psianide73]

So, in short... Remove stuff that you don't like, and add stuff you want, because...

[MSEP1]

1. This probably belongs in feedback not general discussion.

2. The request for adding stuff beyond skins always confuses me. They are working on huge amounts of content right now. 

3. I do like the idea of having kuva attainable from other mode like arbitrations or ESO, but I don’t think it should replace any other rewards. Having a dedicated Endo farm is a VERY good thing. It may surprise you but most players still need lots of endo.

4. Plenty people use Zephyr. Saying that a frame shouldn’t get a skin because they aren’t the most popular does not make sense. And I’d hardly call her useless. 

[(XBOX)The Neko Otaku]

11 minutes ago, (XB1)Nerf Napalm said:

One of the main problems is the riven mods and the kuva in general, which is one, if not the only reason why veterans continue to play, a system that is currently destroying the game. I have a proposal to stem the problem.

How are rivens destroying the game? And why now and not the 2 years before hand?

11 minutes ago, (XB1)Nerf Napalm said:

Remove the kuva missions that are just frustrating, give too little respect to the cost of ONE ROLL after 10, and only a waste of time since the rolls are based on RNG. 

Where else am i suppose to farm kuva gaurds and jesters for stance mods, orvuis part and the tower white pigments? 

11 minutes ago, (XB1)Nerf Napalm said:

Third proposal. The possibility of blocking a statist of the mod (as the division) and reducing the costs of the rolls. Finally ... PUT THE KUVA IN THE REWARDS IN THE ENDLESS GAME MODE ... STOP WITH THE NEO, 

There's enough sources for kuva in the game. Kuva missions, kuva survival, sorties, bounties. Also i like neo relics cause relics have parts and i can sell those parts for ducats or plat.

13 minutes ago, (XB1)Nerf Napalm said:

What is the point of spending whole days looking for the perfect rolls (which don't arrive) if then every three months of the statistics ?! Okay, there are balances some riven are obviously BROKEN, but in the end the riven mods are more fun, a "reason" for which players continue to play warframe, a refinement.

Because some people just really want to push the weapon to stupid levels, i made the seer one of the worst weapons in the game into a good gun with a riven and it took me 60 rolls and I'm fine with that. And disposition is changed every 3 months cause it based on how much the weapon is used by the community, riven in essence is supposed to get people to try lesser weapon if the game. Not sure hiw updating the disposition is sign of them being broken when people were asking for them to update it.

18 minutes ago, (XB1)Nerf Napalm said:

 but if you keep on not listening to the serious demands of the players and only hitting those who want the ZEPHYR DELUXE ..... zephyr? But who uses it ?, currently it is useless 

Alot of people want zephyr deluxe,  it was announced a year and a half ago and people have constantly been asking where it is. Every other devstream there's been a question about what happen to that skin. And zephyr has alot strengths and is no where near being useless.

[(XBOX)zThulsaDoomz]

So many non DE staff members who believe they know how to do their job better....

[Firetempest]

2 minutes ago, (XB1)Thy Divinity said:

So many non DE staff members who believe they know how to do their job better....

Why are you not in your mandatory armchair with a perceived knowledge of what the whole playerbase wants? Imposter! *Inward screeching*

[(XBOX)The Neko Otaku]

8 minutes ago, (XB1)Thy Divinity said:

So many non DE staff members who believe they know how to do their job better....

Does seem to be a influx of these people lately. People who think their opinion is everyones opinion and that DE must herald their opinion as the post their feedback in general discussion.

[Lost_Cartographer]

Don't touch my kuva missions please.  I run those just for the level 25-35 enemies alone.  The kuva is a nifty bonus.  In fact, I want a Corpus kuva temple to roam the star chart for even MORE kuva missions, and for Uranus to be a valid target for kuva missions (and void tears.)  Remove the damn shark wing sections to make it happen if you have to.  It's a great tile set, just nothing happens there because of (I imagine) sharkwing, so I'm stuck hoping something lands on Mariana, Earth.
 

And no, rivens don't ruin the game.  They're enablers and big weapon boosts, for sure, but enemies can scale in level to a point where even that added power is negligible.  What is really ruining the game are warframe powers, or rather, the absurd availability of energy to spam those powers.  When you're nigh immortal or render the enemy incapable of making an attack, it really doesn't matter how much fire power you have, you win by default.

Edited July 27, 2019 by Lost_Cartographer

[(XBOX)SandioKan93]

So you like to waste your time for nothing?

[(XBOX)SandioKan93]

 

The situation is becoming unsustainable, you cannot concentrate only on adding skins and new activities if in the end, after a couple of weeks there is nothing more to do.

One of the main problems is the riven mods and the kuva in general, which is one, if not the only reason why veterans continue to play. I have a proposal to stem the problem.

Remove the kuva missions that are just frustrating, give too little respect to the cost of ONE ROLL after 10, and only a waste of time since the rolls are based on RNG.

The second part of my proposal is to add kuva as a resource that can be deduced from the death of kuva greneer to kuva fortress (40-80 kuva to each grenner), like the hexenon on jupiter, in addition to the kuva pylon (which should be increased the reward ... 200 kuva, but really !?).

Third proposal. The possibility of blocking a statist of the mod (as the division) and reducing the costs of the rolls. Finally ... PUT THE KUVA IN THE REWARDS IN THE ENDLESS GAME MODE ... STOP WITH THE NEO, especially in arbitration or onslaught, which are already boring (a drop after 10 minutes of survival or 10 waves in defense ?!) then if the rewards are also worthless (apart from some mods), sculptures and endo ?! Why !!!? Put endo and kuva, I don't really understand, it doesn't make sense.

What is the point of spending whole days looking for the perfect rolls (which don't arrive) if then every three months of the statistics ?! Okay, there are balances some riven are obviously BROKEN, but in the end the riven mods are more fun, a "reason" for which players continue to play warframe, a refinement.

This is my point of view regarding loss of interest in the game once it arrives at the end game that does not exist. I would like to know what you think about EXCLUDING this proposal on the kuva and the riven, and please, answer in a constructive way because if we start writing things that don't hit anything this topic will go back into oblivion and we wouldn't go anywhere.

Thank you all and thank you DE ❤️

[-Krism-]

1 hour ago, JackHargreav said:

And after the "Hi De" I stopped reading.

I was looking for a comment like that XD

[PookieNumnums]

If you only play for rivens it's time to find another game. 

#feedback

[Firetempest]

10 minutes ago, (XB1)Nerf Napalm said:

So you like to waste your time for nothing?

Welcome to games as a whole. Specially one who's loops is kill for item. Make item. Kill with new item for different item.

All you're suggesting to me is a stronger broken system that will make sure even more future content is invalidated on arrival. 

If DE plans future content around perfect rivens, then there is a brand new grind stage newer players get to face. The riven perfection wall. Sounds "fuuuuuuun".

[PookieNumnums]

29 minutes ago, Lost_Cartographer said:

Don't touch my kuva missions please.  I run those just for the level 25-35 enemies alone.  The kuva is a nifty bonus.  In fact, I want a Corpus kuva temple to roam the star chart for even MORE kuva missions, and for Uranus to be a valid target for kuva missions (and void tears.)  Remove the damn shark wing sections to make it happen if you have to.  It's a great tile set, just nothing happens there because of (I imagine) sharkwing, so I'm stuck hoping something lands on Mariana, Earth.
 

And no, rivens don't ruin the game.  They're enablers and big weapon boosts, for sure, but enemies can scale in level to a point where even that added power is negligible.  What is really ruining the game are warframe powers, or rather, the absurd availability of energy to spam those powers.  When you're nigh immortal or render the enemy incapable of making an attack, it really doesn't matter how much fire power you have, you win by default.

Im nigh immortal and require very little energy to be. Inaccurate but i feel you. 

[(PSN)Eluminary]

Riven's kind of got out of hand, they were originally intended to see weaker weapons get more play time, but they were in Little lax in policing the dispositions at first so some of the better weapons got some rivens that boosted them through the roof... That was not the intention.   They were never intended to make great weapons insane weapons...

 

I consider myself a veteran I have over 3,000 hours played across two platforms... I keep playing because the game still fun not to roll better and better rivens.

[DR-MICHAEL-MORBIUS]

kuva farming is borderland gambling, some people just can't handle they waste hours, days, and weeks on the thrill of the roll! you know you got an addiction when you roll just for the excitement of wining. its best to do what i do, every year i use the least busiest month in my life; buy a 1 month resource booster and roll away for a month i usually fix 5-7 rivens that it makes me sick of kuva farming for another year

[Jax_Cavalera]

All I have to say is PLEASE DE take notice of this, there are so many kuva rework threads popping up and they all generally land in 1 of 2 camps:

1. Make kuva easier to get / rolling rivens cheaper
2. Rework the kuva riven system so stats are either fixed or can be manually selected by the player

Often both end up bundled together in one form or another.

[DrBorris]

I hate Rivens as much as the next guy, but for better and for worse they don't have a major impact on the game right now.

I mean, if Rivens weren't a RNG slot machine that allowed for a more steady progression curve, they definitely could be the "grind between the grind" when there are big gaps between content drops. But that in itself is a major undertaking, and at this point some people are so attached to gambling their time away it might just be best for DE to move on to other things.

[SkalleBonk]

Well what they could do is buff up the amount of Kuva you get form Kuva missions. I got a few rivens i want to reroll and the 20k kuva from Nightwave was gone in a minute (But i got atlest one good riven out of it)

 

[hellodownthere]

2 hours ago, (XB1)Nerf Napalm said:

Hi DE.

ok

[(PSN)guzmantt1977]

3 hours ago, JackHargreav said:

And after the "Hi De" I stopped reading.

Good move. I wish that I had done the same. 

[(XBOX)ECCHO SIERRA]

5 hours ago, (XB1)Nerf Napalm said:

Hi DE.

The situation is becoming unsustainable, you cannot concentrate only on adding skins and new activities if in the end, after a couple of weeks there is nothing more to do.

One of the main problems is the riven mods and the kuva in general, which is one, if not the only reason why veterans continue to play, a system that is currently destroying the game. I have a proposal to stem the problem.

Remove the kuva missions that are just frustrating, give too little respect to the cost of ONE ROLL after 10, and only a waste of time since the rolls are based on RNG.

The second part of my proposal is to add kuva as a resource that can be deduced from the death of kuva greneer to kuva fortress (40-80 kuva to each grenner), like the hexenon on jupiter, in addition to the kuva pylon (which should be increased the reward ... 200 kuva, but really !?).

Third proposal. The possibility of blocking a statist of the mod (as the division) and reducing the costs of the rolls. Finally ... PUT THE KUVA IN THE REWARDS IN THE ENDLESS GAME MODE ... STOP WITH THE NEO, especially in arbitration or onslaught, which are already boring (a drop after 10 minutes of survival or 10 waves in defense ?!) then if the rewards are also worthless (apart from some mods), sculptures and endo ?! Why !!!? Put endo and kuva, I don't really understand, it doesn't make sense.

What is the point of spending whole days looking for the perfect rolls (which don't arrive) if then every three months of the statistics ?! Okay, there are balances some riven are obviously BROKEN, but in the end the riven mods are more fun, a "reason" for which players continue to play warframe, a refinement.

These proposals also go to "fix" the painful condition of the trade of riven. If it is easier to have the right rolls obviously the costs will be lowered and people will no longer ask for 2k plat for a riven of fulm, kohm, gram etc etc, which then makes no sense even to buy them if then in three months will go to disp 1 -2. Really, the game is fantastic you have enormous potential to become the best FTP in history, but if you keep on not listening to the serious demands of the players and only hitting those who want the ZEPHYR DELUXE ..... zephyr? But who uses it ?, currently it is useless ...

This is my point of view regarding loss of interest in the game once it arrives at the end game that does not exist. I would like to know what you think about EXCLUDING this proposal on the kuva and the riven, and please, answer in a constructive way because if we start writing things that don't hit anything this topic will go back into oblivion and we wouldn't go anywhere.

Thank you all and thank you DE ❤️

Yet another wall of text that ain't ever gonna happen.

 

[(PSN)GreenKin]

8 hours ago, JackHargreav said:

And after the "Hi De" I stopped reading.

Funny enough, because this is General Discussion, it's also the point were DE didn't read to begin with.