Brief guide how I enjoy NightWave...

[40PE]

For those who constantly complaining, saying its a grind, or boring, takes too long, etc.

What I do is this:

-Plan to mix up the different Nightwave Mission goals to do them together. Example this week's two mission: Find all three cases on Sabotage Mission and also do 3 Nightmare Missions any kind. Just do three Sabotage Nightmare and you done with two. Plus, if you missing some nightmare mods, or you want to get some extra, plus for trade, there, one more reason to do Nightmare -that I would otherwise wouldn't prob. spend time, If I would look for some bigger challenge or some more serious grind.

-Other example: Do 30mins survival. Just get into a mid/high tier survival with Nekros, with some gear that I've formad and grind some relics/ducats. Like now, you might want to try and grind wukong Prime or Ninkondi parts, excellent opportunity. OR if you would grind Kuva in Survival, you can do this Nightwave mission too while you grinding Kuva.

I honestly don't see what is the big deal about Nightwave, because you should not just go and do Nightwave missions one by one, get into a mission just to "do the nightwave missions for grind". Nightwave does its job well if you not looking at it as an "alert mission".

UPDATE1: You don't have to do all the missions at once. You can spend some time on them daily, to also make it feel like a game, not a chore. You don't have to sit down and do multiple goals at once and spends hours and hours. Make sure you enjoy it! If you don't enjoy some of the activities, you can decide not to do it at all, don't worry about the mission points! There will be something that you enjoy later on. You still have time to level up, even if you skip one or two of the weekly goals.

Edited July 30, 2019 by 40PE

[Lazarow]

I did 30mins survival on arbitration(no ephemera *disappoint*)

About the nightmare sabotage, well its kind of rare to see that and all 3 being in the same day because its way faster doing 2 mission one nithmare and one sabotage, yeah with it being nigthmare sabotage makes it easier but then its just a waiting game and since they reset every 24 hours(?) its just timegating yourself

[latetier]

i enjoy it by not doing it kek

[Gabbynaru]

If you need a guide on how to enjoy something, that something's not enjoyable.

[Kosen]

Just now, Gabbynaru said:

If you need a guide on how to enjoy something, that something's not enjoyable.

Not quite. You see, I see this more like a way to explain everyone that it IS possible to enjoy this, if you just stop whining and plan accordingly.

[latetier]

2 minutes ago, Gabbynaru said:

If you need a guide on how to enjoy something, that something's not enjoyable.

ironic as it's pretty standard requirement to look up guides on the warframe wiki for things u need to do 

[KnossosTNC]

Eehhh. I dunno. I'm personally of the mind that it's not a good idea to try to tell people how to play their games, as well-intentioned as that may be.

I already posted two threads discussing something like this, each one explicitly emphasising that people need to come up with their own solutions, and I simply wanted to get people thinking. That's the approach I prefer.

Edited July 29, 2019 by KnossosTNC

[Gabbynaru]

7 minutes ago, Kosen said:

Not quite. You see, I see this more like a way to explain everyone that it IS possible to enjoy this, if you just stop whining and plan accordingly.

Everything can be enjoyed in a constrained, tightly controlled environment . Even Chinese Water Torture. Doesn't make it enjoyable in the grand scheme of things.

As I said, if your system, in a game catering to a wide variety of players with different capabilities and expectations needs a guide on what kind of robotic programming you need in order to enjoy it... yeah, that system is a complete failure.

6 minutes ago, latetier said:

ironic as it's pretty standard requirement to look up guides on the warframe wiki for things u need to do 

Well, duh. No one is born with all the knowledge in the world, you need to learn it from somewhere. But enjoyment is not knowledge, it is an emotional reaction, and we all have that ingrained in our very beings. Two completely different things.

Edited July 29, 2019 by Gabbynaru

[Teljaxx]

Your guide simply makes things more tolerable, not more enjoyable. Whether you do them one at a time or all at once changes nothing about the challenges themselves. If you don't enjoy doing them one at a time, you are unlikely to enjoy doing several at once. Besides, I have a feeling most people already figure out how to stack challenges efficiently anyway.

Plus, If Nightwave's challenges were actually enjoyable, you'd think we would have people constantly asking for more of them to do. Instead, we have people claiming "it's not that bad...", and others trying to help get the pain over with as quickly as possible.

[(XBOX)zThulsaDoomz]

Wow

A thread on this NW/Alerts war where someone actually provides useful information in the OP instead of "well, I want it back, so there!"

Wonders will never cease.

[(PSN)Yes-Man-Kablaam]

i enjoy it by playing it and not trying to cram the whole damn thing in one day.

[DeathDweller]

The problem i have is that it forces me to do things i wouldn't do.30 min survival?ok i would do it anyway plus i can combine it with a fissure.But nightmare missions?Derelicts?Apothics?Those target newcomers that can benefit from it.There's no point for me to do any of these anymore.

[Sloan441]

"Enjoy" might be a bit strong, but there are ways to make it less intrusive. 

Firstly, I don't plan on getting it all done in one day. Madness lies in that direction. 

I do combine when possible, but frequently it's just I'm doing so much each day and just divide it up. Also, there are some NW missions I simply won't do. This week it's the varmint hunting one. No interest in that and not doing it. 

A couple of them are rather time consuming, require special loadouts, or running solo to prevent randoms from screwing things up. These are always slated for the weekend. So two are scheduled for this coming Sat/Sun, so not worrying about them during the week. This week it's the cache hunting and the Orokin vaults. 

The rest get divided up for around two per day, not counting the daily ones--those get done daily (duh). 

That's it. Tolerable and non-angst inducing. Mostly. 

[40PE]

1 hour ago, Lazarow said:

I did 30mins survival on arbitration(no ephemera *disappoint*)

About the nightmare sabotage, well its kind of rare to see that and all 3 being in the same day because its way faster doing 2 mission one nithmare and one sabotage, yeah with it being nigthmare sabotage makes it easier but then its just a waiting game and since they reset every 24 hours(?) its just timegating yourself

That means I would have spend every day 10-15mins per sabotage per day, while doing something else as well that day, like sorties. I mean how many hours you want to actually grind the NW per day? I think 1-2hours of gameplay per day is more than enough unless you want to burn out from the fan fast.

[KnossosTNC]

1 minute ago, DeathDweller said:

The problem i have is that it forces me to do things i wouldn't do.30 min survival?ok i would do it anyway plus i can combine it with a fissure.But nightmare missions?Derelicts?Apothics?Those target newcomers that can benefit from it.There's no point for me to do any of these anymore.

Eh. I do them for the difference and change of it, to shift the pace from my regular stuff. That's why I call them "pacebreakers," and I consider Nightwave merely an excuse. They don't need to be anything more for me.

Again, not telling people how to play their games. That's not my thing. Just sharing my experience here, and hope to get people thinking.

[Charlsendrex]

I can't personally see the reason of people saying "you HAVE to do it" as we're already seeing in this thread.

Nothing compels you to do anything in this game. You could MAYBE argue the cinematic questline is sort of "needed" because of it being the game's narrative, but beyond that, all things you farm/gather are cosmetics and/or not needed to "advance" the game.

And I'm not saying that in the generalized sense that one would say "well you don't NEED to play (game), you choose to!", I mean that everyone has differing meanings of "completing" an open-ended game like WF. I mean, even at the most basic level, for those frames that are simple boss drops, you have to repeat the boss several times, at LEAST three times (go ahead and play the lottery the day you get the three different parts in as many runs). For that matter, that farm for Volt, Wukong, Zephyr, etc., really takes a lot outta you, huh, having to go ALL the way to a clan dojo to buy them?

However, it's not like there are "end-game" frames that are simply stronger - you could argue something about the meta, sure, but Rhino is achievable fairly early on and is one of the standbys for most endgame content, as a single example -- and this is not even including farming Prime variants of frames, which in some cases is even easier than the normal version (hello, Equinox).

However, your choice of whether to grind out to unlock those frames is a personal decision you make, and it requires you to repeat content, and with the right gearing or squad it becomes a chore. Sound familiar?

I guess what it boils down to is that suggestions that Nightwave is some unforeseen level of grind never before experienced in the game is a bit laughable to me. Having played back during hour-long Void Key runs in the earnest hope you eventually got something of value was far more tedious than sticking whatever damage type you have to kill 150 enemies with on Mesa's Regulators, doing a few waves of ESO which I do anyway, killing Ropy which I have to do to acquire Wisp for myself anyway... If it were harder tasks, people would complain about that, if it was "interact with your pet three times" people would complain about how it's mindlessly easy and mundane.

To an extent, the daily/weekly/elite weekly spread itself already elicits these responses, but no one really provides any more substantial response than "I don't want to do it". Then don't. It's very much optional content, especially since 7/10 things in the shop are cosmetics, and within the first 150 cred reward you can buy Vauban if you don't already have him and some the mods, the things that have gameplay value, and then just use other cred rewards to keep buying up mods and then dumping it into nitain after that, or whatever else you want.

Key word: WANT.

Edited July 29, 2019 by Angrytiger

[SenorClipClop]

2 hours ago, Lazarow said:

yeah with it being nigthmare sabotage makes it easier but then its just a waiting game and since they reset every 24 hours(?) its just timegating yourself

But you have a whole week to do them, so...? But I guess if you're in a rush to get to the next NW tiers, doing 6 quick missions vs. just 3 isn't a big difference in the grand scheme of things. Wait and save a bit of effort, or do it now and save a bit of waiting.

[(PSN)Elvenbane]

1 hour ago, (XB1)Thy Divinity said:

Wow

A thread on this NW/Alerts war where someone actually provides useful information in the OP instead of "well, I want it back, so there!"

Wonders will never cease.

If this counts as useful information the bar is set pretty low. Do missions that fulfill multiple tasks and combine with your personal objectives, duh.

[(XBOX)zThulsaDoomz]

5 minutes ago, (PS4)Elvenbane said:

If this counts as useful information the bar is set pretty low. Do missions that fulfill multiple tasks and combine with your personal objectives, duh.

Of course the bar is low.  Have you seen some of the recent threads?

[Lazarow]

26 minutes ago, SenorClipClop said:

But you have a whole week to do them, so...? But I guess if you're in a rush to get to the next NW tiers, doing 6 quick missions vs. just 3 isn't a big difference in the grand scheme of things. Wait and save a bit of effort, or do it now and save a bit of waiting.

I liek to do them ASAP like a lot of others, also nigthwave is the only reason I come back to warframes but I still want it ASAP so I can go enjoy some other game while and be relaxed while knowing that all warframe things are done for the time being

[Charlsendrex]

15 minutes ago, (XB1)Thy Divinity said:

Of course the bar is low.  Have you seen some of the recent threads?

Still kinda flabbergasted by the thread a few weeks ago complaining about 150 bullet jumps as a daily. OP eventually said he was being (kind of) facetious, but there were plenty of earnest responses saying the sky was falling down.

If anything, I'd almost say that's a GOOD thing about dailies. Think about it, it's dinky stuff like "kill X enemies with a damage type", "do X action Y times". And while for veterans they're almost laughably mundane, think of it from a new player's perspective --

> "Radiation damage, what's that?" (Someone explains elemental and combination damage) "oh wow, that's cool, I didn't even realize or pay attention to the damage types, I'll try it out!"

> "Gosh I just can't get the hang of bullet jumping, and they want me to do it 150 times in ONE DAY!?" (asks region chat or clanmates or something to "coach" him or her) "okay, I'm getting it now, hey, I'm really picking up the movement system!"

The vast majority of pushback on NW challenges appears to come from either vets who've done virtually everything in the game anyways, to the extent where EVERYTHING is a "chore" to them from sheer repetition, or a newbie who balks at the "requirement" (again, it's not a requirement) to do things they haven't yet or aren't "good" at (yet).

Neither side wants to consider the other's perspective - for the vets, they laugh at the newbies lamenting the bullet jump requirement when it might just be they haven't yet even "gotten" the movement system yet, and the newbies are upset that the vets see as trivial things that are to them far-off or even insurmountable goals.

Edited July 29, 2019 by Angrytiger

[40PE]

15 hours ago, Teljaxx said:

Your guide simply makes things more tolerable, not more enjoyable. Whether you do them one at a time or all at once changes nothing about the challenges themselves. If you don't enjoy doing them one at a time, you are unlikely to enjoy doing several at once. Besides, I have a feeling most people already figure out how to stack challenges efficiently anyway.

Plus, If Nightwave's challenges were actually enjoyable, you'd think we would have people constantly asking for more of them to do. Instead, we have people claiming "it's not that bad...", and others trying to help get the pain over with as quickly as possible.

In that case, you didn't enjoy many aspects of the game before nightwave, then don't bother do it, that's all.

If an alert would come up with rewards that you would like and it asks you to do 3xsabotage? Then you would say the same either way.

You don't seem to have a prob. with NW, but with the game.

Edited July 30, 2019 by 40PE

[nslay]

Or you could have just done a 30 minute Derelict Survival and open a Vault giving you 1/4 for Derelict Vaults and also completing the daily "Complete a Mission."

Super efficient and enjoyable.

[40PE]

15 hours ago, KnossosTNC said:

Eehhh. I dunno. I'm personally of the mind that it's not a good idea to try to tell people how to play their games, as well-intentioned as that may be.

I already posted two threads discussing something like this, each one explicitly emphasising that people need to come up with their own solutions, and I simply wanted to get people thinking. That's the approach I prefer.

I'm trying to tell people how I enjoy the game and might be a good explanation to others who didn't come up with such solution.

Seems like they didn't, because they are complaining about the 5-8 weekly goals that you have to do within a week period too tedious.

-No one said that the missions cannot be combined, and seems people didn't think about this either
-No one said that you have to finish it within a few days, seems people have the idea of sitting down and "JUST DO IT" way, do all of it at once, like a chore
-This is a game, not a chore, and seems to me people doing it like a work. I might give them some pointers how not to feel like that
-Many people can't add up 1+1, so I might helping them a little bit with some "guidance".

Obviously, this is an internet post, me telling you anything doesn't mean anything, no one forcing you to do what I say.

People complaining about NW, that is nothing more just stuff to do in the game that you already do (or don't because they don't like it), but its not a mandatory thing, yet they act like this is something that they HAVE TO do. Very strange so I thought I give some ideas how can you enjoy it while doing it.

But if you don't enjoy it either way, don't do it or don't tell us that NW is bad because you don't like to do those mission types in the first place.

Although you telling me what approach you prefer and kind of telling me not to tell people this and that. 🙂 You see its all about context.

Updated my "guide" to reflect the above.

Edited July 30, 2019 by 40PE

[Charlsendrex]

13 hours ago, (XB1)GaussPrime said:

 

 

15 minutes ago, 40PE said:

I'm trying to tell people how I enjoy the game and might be a good explanation to others who didn't come up with such solution.

Seems like they didn't, because they are complaining about the 5-8 weekly goals that you have to do within a week period too tedious.

-No one said that the missions cannot be combined, and seems people didn't think about this either
-No one said that you have to finish it within a few days, seems people have the idea of sitting down and "JUST DO IT" way, do all of it at once, like a chore
-This is a game, not a chore, and seems to me people doing it like a work. I might give them some pointers how not to feel like that
-Many people can't add up 1+1, so I might helping them a little bit with some "guidance".

Obviously, this is an internet post, me telling you anything doesn't mean anything, no one forcing you to do what I say.

People complaining about NW, that is nothing more just stuff to do in the game that you already do (or don't because they don't like it), but its not a mandatory thing, yet they act like this is something that they HAVE TO do. Very strange so I thought I give some ideas how can you enjoy it while doing it.

But if you don't enjoy it either way, don't do it or don't tell us that NW is bad because you don't like to do those mission types in the first place.

Although you telling me what approach you prefer and kind of telling me not to tell people this and that. 🙂 You see its all about context.

Updated my "guide" to reflect the above.

I almost want to ask all the bittervets what is in NW rewards that is so critical to the gameplay experience. I mean, maybe nitain, but it's just a convenience to buy in bulk rather than farm it out on... Go figure, caches.

About the only thing I can see that might be interpreted as a "necessity" is perhaps the umbra forma... But then again, no matter how you slice it, having that umbra forma will... Allow them to put incrementally better mods in their frame and/or melee weapon.

Vauban is available, I guess? You're "locked out" of playing that frame unless you spend NW creds? But then, you get that initial windfall as the first cred prize anyway, which will cover it.

Okay, so you've gotten a new frame (one of the few specific cases of "needing" something, given that frames and weapons allow for new and different gameplay). What else?

... Nothing. That's it. Aura mods (which o guess could offer slightly faster clear times with the right build), slots (okay THAT'S one of the true "necessities" of the game, again tied to variety of gameplay), 3 forma (eh, nice to have, but with Relics handed out like candy and Forma as a bronze reward, you pretty much are only limited by the 24 hour build time.

So, what? What is the thing the compels all these people to simultaneously say "pssh I don't care about NW what a trash system" and "wooooooow how absolutely DARE DE lock stuff behind the insurmountable wall of "doing things in the game that don't fit within my small window of 'things I enjoy!'?!?" Clearly there's a missing piece there that compels them against their will, I'm really curious to know what that is.