Being a Vet Sucks.

[(PSN)sweatshawp]

Not even trying to be funny name one reason I should be proud to be a Vet or have Wasted my time on Warframe. I used to love the game and I thought it would be going somewhere. Oh and 

yes I play other games, and I got a rebuttal for pretty much anything you'd say to me about not being proud to be a Vet in a game I once loved

[krc473]

1 minute ago, (PS4)sweatshawp said:

and I got a rebuttal for pretty much anything you'd say to me about not being proud to be a Vet in a game I once loved

If you dislike it that much stop playing. It really just seems like you want people to say “yes, you are correct”. I cannot give you any reason to be proud of being a vet, because I really don’t see why you should be.

• Why should you feel proud to ‘be a vet’ in Warframe (or any game for that matter)?

[(PSN)sweatshawp]

7 minutes ago, krc473 said:

If you dislike it that much stop playing. It really just seems like you want people to say “yes, you are correct”. I cannot give you any reason to be proud of being a vet, because I really don’t see why you should be.

• Why should you feel proud to ‘be a vet’ in Warframe (or any game for that matter)?

I have stopped playing entirely. And just like in many games and even outside of gaming being a vet in something shows o time put in the effort and things you've done to get to that position. As a vet in warframe Me and not just me but many other vets feel like were just another player. Which in honesty we are, But it'd be nice to feel like all the time we've put into the game has ment something. not coming from an elitist standpoint where One would say it's owed to us. But moreso "hey why should I invest long hours into WF" 

[krc473]

1 minute ago, (PS4)sweatshawp said:

And just like in many games and even outside of gaming being a vet in something shows o time put in the effort and things you've done to get to that position.

I don't see how that works. Spending thousands of hours on a game is not really an achievement. If you spent most of that time helping others and improving their experience of the game that is different. But just playing the game for a long time, that is nothing to be proud of. 

• You are more than welcome to disagree and explain why you believe someone should be proud to be a Vet in WF. But I do not think committing time and effort to a video game is anything to be proud of.

2 minutes ago, (PS4)sweatshawp said:

But moreso "hey why should I invest long hours into WF"

Because it is a game and you like it/are bored. I like to spend a few hours a week watching movies/TV shows etc, that takes up a lot of time over the years. Should I be proud of that too? It is a time investment, just like playing Warframe.

[(XBOX)ShadowBlood89]

Then do what other vets in warframe do.

HELP THE NEWBS

instead of saying ya i have nothing to do, use the knowledge you have gathered to help the struggling new players as you wished that someone would have came along an given you help.
instead your complaning that all this time you played on warframe is going to waste cause your bored.

I love helping new players out as it helps the warframe community grow an guess what 😮 your giving back to the community that gave you so many hours of gameplay.
the newbs you help will help other newbs out an create a chain of help that becomes what the community is about

[(PSN)sweatshawp]

2 minutes ago, krc473 said:

I don't see how that works. Spending thousands of hours on a game is not really an achievement. If you spent most of that time helping others and improving their experience of the game that is different. But just playing the game for a long time, that is nothing to be proud of. 

• You are more than welcome to disagree and explain why you believe someone should be proud to be a Vet in WF. But I do not think committing time and effort to a video game is anything to be proud of.

Because it is a game and you like it/are bored. I like to spend a few hours a week watching movies/TV shows etc, that takes up a lot of time over the years. Should I be proud of that too? It is a time investment, just like playing Warframe.

Committing time to a lot of things makes people feel certain ways in many regards. but if you'd generally feel like you shouldn't feel accomplished for committing time in games in general you wouldn't understand especially in  the MMO and MMORPG  Genre. I've put hours into this game and this game specifically because i've enjoyed it over the years. And The countless hours i've spent feels like its going down the drain and DE dosent care about the older players. Also generally speaking Lets say you have this one TV show you choose to watch over the years You took your time watching that when you could be watching or doing other things you enjoy. And all of a sudden lets say the series ends in the worst way possible. Most people would feel upset and feel as if their time is wasted for investing so much time into said series or show

[(PSN)sweatshawp]

2 minutes ago, (XB1)ShadowBlood89 said:

Then do what other vets in warframe do.

HELP THE NEWBS

instead of saying ya i have nothing to do, use the knowledge you have gathered to help the struggling new players as you wished that someone would have came along an given you help.
instead your complaning that all this time you played on warframe is going to waste cause your bored.

I love helping new players out as it helps the warframe community grow an guess what 😮 your giving back to the community that gave you so many hours of gameplay.
the newbs you help will help other newbs out an create a chain of help that becomes what the community is about

Helping the new players shouldnt be the only thing a Vet should be Known for or be able to do because we have nothing left to do...

[YUNoJump]

You don't seem to have a solid reason for disliking "being a vet". Just being a "vet" isn't its own accolade, it's what you call yourself when you've got a lot of time in the game.

You don't think the game is going anywhere? You're kinda wrong there, the game has had plenty of major developments over the past two years, and there's more big stuff on the horizon. Grand Bosses, Open Worlds, great story quests, the list goes on. Many of these things specifically cater to players who have endgame gear and builds.

17 minutes ago, (PS4)sweatshawp said:

Which in honesty we are, But it'd be nice to feel like all the time we've put into the game has ment something.

What does this mean? There are all sorts of ways you can tell that an endgame player has made meaningful progression. Veterans can turn any weapon in the game into a godkilling monster. Veterans don't even look the same with all of the cosmetic options available, even free ones. In fact, with high MR veterans don't even need to fully level weapons anymore, they can pretty much fully mod a weapon the instant it's built.

It's unfortunate if you have nothing to do in the game, but that's because Warframe actually adds unique content instead of statistics-based grindfests. I'd rather run out of unique things to farm than spend 1000 hours running raids so that I can add another number to my magic stick. DE has tried to add that sort of gameplay in Arbitrations and Onslaught, but many people in the community, even veterans, don't care for them because they don't offer unique gameplay.

[(XBOX)ShadowBlood89]

Just now, (PS4)sweatshawp said:

Helping the new players shouldnt be the only thing a Vet should be Known for or be able to do because we have nothing left to do...

its a good way to kill the time when there you run out of content to play.
you get to show a user the ropes of the game an get them to not want to quit warframe cause they have no idea what they suppose to do, while providing a role model for them to look upto

[George_PPS]

36 minutes ago, (PS4)sweatshawp said:

Not even trying to be funny name one reason I should be proud to be a Vet or have Wasted my time on Warframe. I used to love the game and I thought it would be going somewhere. Oh and 

yes I play other games, and I got a rebuttal for pretty much anything you'd say to me about not being proud to be a Vet in a game I once loved

Start a new account on PC! I did and enjoyed everything all over again on PC. Now more friends are joining PC too!

[krc473]

6 minutes ago, (PS4)sweatshawp said:

And The countless hours i've spent feels like its going down the drain and DE dosent care about the older players.

I can agree with that statement. Sure, I sometimes feel like I have wasted a lot of time and money on this game. And yes, sometimes it seems like DE doesn't listen (and they don't). But you also have to understand that DE has a business to run. It is not possible for DE to keep everyone happy. Lets be honest, this community has some crazy ideas that DE should never implement. So a sub-group of people will always feel like DE is ignoring them.

6 minutes ago, (PS4)sweatshawp said:

Most people would feel upset and feel as if their time is wasted for investing so much time into said series or show

This one too.

 

Neither relate to feeling 'proud' in my mind. Some form of emotional attachment maybe. I have around 3000 hours in Warframe, I have almost everything in the game (511/519), I have a small Clan. None of this makes me proud. I play the game because I want to, not because I want to achieve something. I play the game with my clan, because that is fun. 

[(PSN)sweatshawp]

2 minutes ago, YUNoJump said:

You don't seem to have a solid reason for disliking "being a vet". Just being a "vet" isn't its own accolade, it's what you call yourself when you've got a lot of time in the game.

You don't think the game is going anywhere? You're kinda wrong there, the game has had plenty of major developments over the past two years, and there's more big stuff on the horizon. Grand Bosses, Open Worlds, great story quests, the list goes on. Many of these things specifically cater to players who have endgame gear and builds.

What does this mean? There are all sorts of ways you can tell that an endgame player has made meaningful progression. Veterans can turn any weapon in the game into a godkilling monster. Veterans don't even look the same with all of the cosmetic options available, even free ones. In fact, with high MR veterans don't even need to fully level weapons anymore, they can pretty much fully mod a weapon the instant it's built.

It's unfortunate if you have nothing to do in the game, but that's because Warframe actually adds unique content instead of statistics-based grindfests. I'd rather run out of unique things to farm than spend 1000 hours running raids so that I can add another number to my magic stick. DE has tried to add that sort of gameplay in Arbitrations and Onslaught, but many people in the community, even veterans, don't care for them because they don't offer unique gameplay.

Being a Vet felt nice at first but It has no purpose for Warframe
Fashion Frame - It gets tiresome Eventually owning currently every armor piece and color pallet up to date with the umbral gear and a few prime access pieces. Sure you look cool but ... What does that have to do in a game where players run through most missions insanely fast - you can argue that but being a vet and just looking nice aint it brother.

Weapons - Any weapon can be pretty much god tier at mr 5-6 with proper modding that isnt hard to learn. Every weapon follows some of the same generic builds. ( picked up the daikyu and started only exclusively using that with 10 forma and a beasty riven, same with despair and other sucky weapons to present some sort of challenge) - being a vet dosent attribute to that btw a regular player can do the same at any time given 

 

New content - None of Wfs new content has really been sustainable to say hey lets run this again friends that was really unique and different and Gosh we all really Had that one. and I dont have any hopes future content will do anything other then be the same given DE's Track record

 

 

 

 

 

[(PSN)sweatshawp]

2 minutes ago, krc473 said:

I can agree with that statement. Sure, I sometimes feel like I have wasted a lot of time and money on this game. And yes, sometimes it seems like DE doesn't listen (and they don't). But you also have to understand that DE has a business to run. It is not possible for DE to keep everyone happy. Lets be honest, this community has some crazy ideas that DE should never implement. So a sub-group of people will always feel like DE is ignoring them.

I Understand DE cant make everyone happy. But Im not here to be an elitist I just personally fell like DE dosent care about Vets at all. (alot of people do) and while there are alot of Crazy ideas there's many sound ones as well. People have been begging DE to fix enemy scaling for Years now for example. Along with other smaller simple things. Another thing is alot of ideas get dismissed in this community  heres an example 

 

[(PSN)sweatshawp]

24 minutes ago, George_PPS said:

Start a new account on PC! I did and enjoyed everything all over again on PC. Now more friends are joining PC too!

I Tried dude. I got to MR 8 and got bored 

[George_PPS]

6 minutes ago, (PS4)sweatshawp said:

I Tried dude. I got to MR 8 and got bored 

What MR and hours do you have in your PS4? I am MR27 and about 3700 hours on PC and still doing my favorite missions/activities daily with friends. Soon I’ll have two more friends joining me. 

*I am glad there are Night Wave missions so I can always do something each week. 

[(PSN)sweatshawp]

Just now, George_PPS said:

What MR and hours do you have in your PS4? I am MR27 and about 3700 hours on PC and still doing my favorite missions/activities daily with friends. Soon I’ll have two more friends joining me. 

*I am glad there are Night Wave missions so I can always do something each week. 

Rn Im MR 17 ( I have the weapons and frames to level to Get up to about MR20 crafted and ready to be levled) but i stopped enjoying the game more and more because everything is so easy so i gave up on it. ill hop on now and then to explain to new players and all my friends why the daikyu is the best bow in game (gets a laugh till im 2 hours in a survival and my daikyu is 2-3 tapping) and to run thru tridolons and get immensely bored. Tried out wisp also i felt like she was just a mix of harrow and limbo on the roids

[YUNoJump]

I'll agree that Fashion is at least an entirely non-important feature of the game. However, many people take it very seriously, to the point that DE added double energy and emissive slots just for the hardcore fashionframers to fine-tune their designs with. If you don't care for it that's fine, but it's disingenuous to say that it's not a valuable game feature for many people.

28 minutes ago, (PS4)sweatshawp said:

Weapons - Any weapon can be pretty much god tier at mr 5-6 with proper modding that isnt hard to learn. Every weapon follows some of the same generic builds. ( picked up the daikyu and started only exclusively using that with 10 forma and a beasty riven, same with despair and other sucky weapons to present some sort of challenge) - being a vet dosent attribute to that btw a regular player can do the same at any time given  

Lower-rank players COULD do that, but the power a vet has is the ability to do that whenever they want. I'm currently MR27 and sitting on ~50 Forma blueprints, and a very decent number of Potatoes, but I see people on the forums saying that they're too scarce. Normal players don't just have Rivens and Forma to think about, they've got normal progression to do, and they don't have the raw resources available to build 10 Forma just for the sake of it. In fact, I don't think I had a reliable supply of stuff like Neurodes or Neural Sensors until I was around MR23. The fact that you can build a Forma or god-ify a weapon whenever you want is a powerful ability compared to lower-rank players.

28 minutes ago, (PS4)sweatshawp said:

New content - None of Wfs new content has really been sustainable to say hey lets run this again friends that was really unique and different and Gosh we all really Had that one. and I dont have any hopes future content will do anything other then be the same given DE's Track record

That's entirely up to opinion, plenty of people are on the constant grind for new Primes (best farmed in a group), Recruiting chat is full of Eidolon runs every single night, and people at least care enough about Arbitrations and Onslaught for them to be asking for improvements, which DE has shown some interest in changing. Additionally, people are going crazy for Empyrean, and we can't say that it won't be fun until we've tried it, considering it's completely different to anything else we have in-game.

[krc473]

31 minutes ago, (PS4)sweatshawp said:

But Im not here to be an elitist I just personally fell like DE dosent care about Vets at all.

I think this is a relatively fair statement. A lot of new content is too easy, but if it were hard the majority would struggle with it. A game that is too hard for most people tends to die out (not always). DE has enough issues just with showing new players what to actually do as it is, add harder content and I don’t know what would happen.

• I am really hoping the Railjack stuff is at least somewhat aimed at Vets. It looks enjoyable (I like space sims), but if it’s really easy I am not sure how much I would bother with it.

35 minutes ago, (PS4)sweatshawp said:

Another thing is alot of ideas get dismissed in this community

To be fair, I tend to be quite dismissive of ideas too. When DE states ‘this thing won’t happen’ and someone makes an excellent idea for it, it is easy to dismiss. Because DE said it won’t happen. But a lot of viable ideas get dismissed because ‘I don’t like change’ too.

 

I do think DE should stop for a while and discuss with the community what they actually want. An open discussion around this could be beneficial, it might not. But at least it lets people feel like their voice is heard. DE would be free to ignore everything of course, but knowing what people want most could have some use. It would also save them from spending hours going through feedback posts.

[kikasnoob]

3 hours ago, (PS4)sweatshawp said:

But moreso "hey why should I invest long hours into WF" 

You already know the answer so you tell us.

what was it about this game that gave you a feeling of wanting to invest your time in it?

 

[kuciol]

I have maybe the most controversial opinion on that. The best thing to happen to a game would be veterans just leaving. Honestly you bring nothing but spite. Anything devs do you look for something to be unhappy with and start your forums crusade again. You act like you deserve something just because you wasted more time in a game and think thats achievement or something. You are not special. Thats true in any game sadly. You just cant admit that you are bored and the only things that keep you playing are attachment to something you do for a long time and friends / clan mates. Nothing a game will do will satisfy you. On top of that is the hardest pill to swallow, you are less valuable then new player, you already have everything while new player is potential new profit. Thats just harsh reality of things. Im not someone that likes to sugarcoat so it may seem a little cynical but thats just how i see it. Ive seen this pattern to many times in to many games for that to be wrong.

[krc473]

18 minutes ago, kuciol said:

The best thing to happen to a game would be veterans just leaving

Who is going to maintain the stuff that assists new players? Who is going to help out when new players cannot figure out how/what to do? All veterans leaving would be a terrible thing for the game. Name one game where this had a positive impact.

18 minutes ago, kuciol said:

On top of that is the hardest pill to swallow, you are less valuable then new player, you already have everything while new player is potential new profit. Thats just harsh reality of things.

You say this like Veteran players spend no money on the game. I have purchased two PA’s this year so far (I think, one might have been Dec). You shouldn’t have to sugarcoat stuff, but ensure your statements are at least factual. Many veterans still spend money, because DE keeps giving us new stuff to buy. Yes, a new player has more they can buy, but who is more likely to pay for that fancy new skin? A veteran player looking to fashion frame everything, or the new player that doesn’t have the correct items for it?

Edited August 2, 2019 by krc473

[kuciol]

8 minutes ago, krc473 said:

Who is going to maintain the stuff that assists new players? Who is going to help out when new players cannot figure out how/what to do? All veterans leaving would be a terrible thing for the game. Name one game where this had a positive impact.

You say this like Veteran players spend no money on the game. I have purchased two PA’s this year so far (I think, one might have been Dec). You shouldn’t have to sugarcoat stuff, but ensure your statements are at least factual. Many veterans still spend money, because DE keeps giving us new stuff to buy. Yes, a new player has more they can buy, but who is more likely to pay for that fancy new skin? A veteran player looking to fashion frame everything, or the new player that doesn’t have the correct items for it?

There is whole spectrum of players in between new and veteran. I didnt say vets dont spend money but new player lacks a lot more things and is more likely to spend money you already did. You already have those vaulted frames, you already have all slots, forma, frames weapons and more plat then you know how to spend, new player will have to buy those things you already own. potential profit is a lot higher.

[binioslaw]

6 hours ago, (PS4)sweatshawp said:

Not even trying to be funny name one reason I should be proud to be a Vet or have Wasted my time on Warframe. I used to love the game and I thought it would be going somewhere. Oh and 

yes I play other games, and I got a rebuttal for pretty much anything you'd say to me about not being proud to be a Vet in a game I once loved

And I thought that this topic would be about sharing war stories, ptsd and showing pictures of combat scars. But you have opened my eyes to the true pain and suffering of warframe vet: having everything that there is to farm, sneezing and killing everything in sight...the boredom that must be eating you from inside. The love is gone and now you stare in the face of reality. My deepest condolonces to you and all your fellow vet comrades. Sometimes life is just not fair.

[Ham_Grenabe]

Sorry it sucks. Time to move on I suppose. 

[Birdframe_Prime]

And... why are you making a post on the Forums about it? If you're moving on, then bye, have fun! But if you're expecting anything other than the basic responses anyone gets when they tweet out 'look at me, look at me, I have an opinion with no actual feedback'... then you'll not find them here.