Klokwerkaos Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 1 minute ago, zhellon said: So go ahead. I can do ESO 8 wave with sarin in solo without much effort. I can even go for another 4 waves. Can you do it on Loki? My nick Inaros is having problems in ESO. I'm wondering why you're not having problems. Can be Loki has something, from what mobs commit suicide? 1 minute ago, zhellon said: I can say that I can make any frame invulnerable, and what? if you can mod your frame to survive a hit in eso, which isn't hard, then you can use your melee to clear the whole board. the frame is irrellavent. if you're having trouble with innarros it's because you're playing him wrong for the mode. the goal in eso is to fast clear. that means you need to abandon his kit entirely because he's slow and instead just use him as a bullet sponge. for innaros you grab weapons to deal damage, and throw on some arcanes to heal him. end of story. i see you also supposedly suggesting i might not be able to do this with loki... i guarantee that's not the case. to be clear, if anything in the game is challenging for you at any time, you need to figure out why that is and address it because all frames are viable for all things, and when you have access to everything like i do, there is no deficiency you can't vastly overcompensate for. to be clear, by the time you are mr 16 you have access to everything and can use everything. after that there is no challenge anymore except collecting more stuff because it won't be long till you are so op that challenge stops being a thing entirely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgabor Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 5 minutes ago, zhellon said: It makes no sense to adjust the numbers, because it is a direct nerf. As I said, the problem with Saryn Is only in the mechanics of her 4 abilities, which allows her to do nothing. I don't mind broken numbers, but let people make an effort. Personally, for all i care it could even be increased overall and made percentage based to make it better for endurance runs, as long as the damage would be spread over a longer duration with a longer base duration Spore ability so as to not instakill mobs in 99% of content outside of long endurance runs. Imo. it would also make the ability better overall, since a slower killing Spore could build up way easier than the current version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TennoSensei Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 On 2019-08-11 at 5:26 PM, Loza03 said: Wiping the map entirely is the problem Then make the map the problem, not the ability. There's so much potential in large scale battles taking place in free roam areas, land or space. 4 warframes holding out entire armies of enemies, not just squads. That's simply just the next step in WF with all the squad-link coming with the Empyrean update. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
selig_fay Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 1 минуту назад, Klokwerkaos сказал: if you're having trouble with innarros it's because you're playing him wrong for the mode. Abruptly. I use the whip and distribution of status dogs. What am I doing wrong? You know the best method nuck mobs to Inaros? You understand that everything depends on the generation of the map? You can get a good and efficient map collection, or you can not even try, because the map is too big. Or there are too many walls on the map. After all, several floors. Saryn has no problem because you can press 4 and no worries at all. You know what? Loki in ESO 8 waves. Whips and Zaw are banned. If you are so cool, show your skills. I'll applaud you if the scale doesn't drop below 50%. And then we'll talk about how easy it is to do it with Saryn. To avoid being a turd, I'll throw off my video I mentioned (Titania 60 waves arbitration) and state that Saryn will be able to make it much easier. I'd make a video with Sarin, but I don't have the right computer right now. Спойлер Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loza03 Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 26 minutes ago, TennoSensei said: Then make the map the problem, not the ability. There's so much potential in large scale battles taking place in free roam areas, land or space. 4 warframes holding out entire armies of enemies, not just squads. That's simply just the next step in WF with all the squad-link coming with the Empyrean update. Accretion isn't a solution. Implementing a space where they are balanced but leaving everything else unbalanced doesn't fix the issues, it just sweeps them under the rug. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DatDarkOne Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 I see moving goal posts now in this topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WoodedSkate89 Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, (XB1)RevenantRequiem said: Yeah, go ahead and try pressing 1 then nothing else. You're a fool. Ok https://www.dropbox.com/s/qozuipgrpraoc8z/Produce_1.gif?dl=0 Edited August 12, 2019 by WoodedSkate89 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuicyPop Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 (edited) The content is the problem, less the frames. I don't believe that I would have enjoyed Warframe if it didn't offer the unique sort of power that lets me turn my brain off and just grind for hours on end. Edited August 12, 2019 by JuicyPop 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Lugia Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 She´s good for some missions and bad in some other missions like most other frames, so i don´t see any problems with her? Currently she feels really good, so there is no need for a revisit like the dead nerf revisit on Ember. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Above Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 Another one of those threads? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voltage Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 Saryn's output to me is in a good spot. Maybe the effort put in is a little low and could be changed a little, but her potential is great and I rather see other Warframes in Saryn's category be pushed in that direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)GearsMatrix301 Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 If she was any weaker she just wouldn’t be worth using. But Lotus forbid a DPS frame actually DPS. Maybe we should just make them all like Ember. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)GodMasterTP Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 21 minutes ago, (PS4)Timcan_57 said: People weren't playing him because there was better tanks with CC abilities etc. -> Better tanks -> Wukong was literally the only frame that could tank lvl 9999 enemies because...he could become invulnerable...for like, 12 seconds or more... '-' You're really on drugs, you don't know what you're talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drachnyn Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 vor 6 Minuten schrieb (XB1)GearsMatrix301: If she was any weaker she just wouldn’t be worth using. But Lotus forbid a DPS frame actually DPS. Maybe we should just make them all like Ember. We should nerf Ember then, just in case. /s 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreeWilliam Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, (XB1)XG1anBl4derX said: -> Better tanks -> Wukong was literally the only frame that could tank lvl 9999 enemies because...he could become invulnerable...for like, 12 seconds or more... '-' You're really on drugs, you don't know what you're talking about. Counterpoint: Actual Data. (Wukong was not popular) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)GodMasterTP Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 10 minutes ago, (XB1)GearsMatrix301 said: If she was any weaker she just wouldn’t be worth using. But Lotus forbid a DPS frame actually DPS. Maybe we should just make them all like Ember. No character can do what he is designed to as it seems. Nerf Saryn, then they will find something else to blame, and that infinite cycle will keep repeating forever. That's what i hate about democracy, everyone can share their opinions...even people who don't even know what they're talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)GodMasterTP Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 4 minutes ago, FreeWilliam said: Counterpoint: Actual Data. (Wukong was not popular) Being popular is irrelevant, there will always be a frame that isn't played a lot regardless of efficiency. Wukong didn't need a rework, frames shouldn't be reworked because people don't play them, they should be reworked if they're not doing what they're designed to do. Counterpoint: your argument is trash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pro3Display Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 6 minutes ago, (XB1)XG1anBl4derX said: Counterpoint: your argument is trash. a good way to make your counterpoint irrelevant 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)GodMasterTP Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, Pro3Display said: a good way to make your counterpoint irrelevant Top 10 people who don't get how sarcasm works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pro3Display Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 1 minute ago, (XB1)XG1anBl4derX said: Top 10 people who don't get how sarcasm works. that's not sarcasm 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)GodMasterTP Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Pro3Display said: that's not sarcasm Yes it was, his "counterpoint" didn't provide anything to the conversation, because i wasn't even talking about popularity, his counterpoint served no purpose. I replied with a counterpoint as stupid as his counterpoint. You're new to communication, i guess. Edit: Also, ignoring half my comment that was an actual argument lol. Totally making a commentary out of topic to avoid the fact his argument was weak and i destroyed it completely. You thought i hadn't seen this? Edited August 12, 2019 by (XB1)XG1anBl4derX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brey223 Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 Alright so everyone that wants saryn nerfed are the same people that want “difficulty” in Warframe. So how would you like to see each and every DPS frame in the game go the route of ember and nerfed down a lot so they hardly if ever get played again. Then we’re gonna see threads saying tanks are too strong so they get nerfed and then supports are too good so they get nerfed. Then all we’ll have is stuff like Loki and ash everywhere cause still no one is going to play CC frames. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)GodMasterTP Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, Brey223 said: Alright so everyone that wants saryn nerfed are the same people that want “difficulty” in Warframe. So how would you like to see each and every DPS frame in the game go the route of ember and nerfed down a lot so they hardly if ever get played again. Then we’re gonna see threads saying tanks are too strong so they get nerfed and then supports are too good so they get nerfed. Then all we’ll have is stuff like Loki and ash everywhere cause still no one is going to play CC frames. Welcome to democracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klokwerkaos Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 (edited) 9 hours ago, zhellon said: You understand that everything depends on the generation of the map? You can get a good and efficient map collection, or you can not even try, because the map is too big. Or there are too many walls on the map. After all, several floors. Saryn has no problem because you can press 4 and no worries at all. You know what? Loki in ESO 8 waves. Whips and Zaw are banned. If you are so cool, show your skills. I'll applaud you if the scale doesn't drop below 50%. And then we'll talk about how easy it is to do it with Saryn. To avoid being a turd, I'll throw off my video I mentioned (Titania 60 waves arbitration) and state that Saryn will be able to make it much easier. I'd make a video with Sarin, but I don't have the right computer right now. first, map layout only matters if you can't cover it. if you can"t cover it, add some movement into your build. there are many ways to do this, the very first i can think of is your operator, which, you know, doesn't matter what your frame is... if you don't know how to effectively use your void dash in eso, i'd consider that a lack of a basic skill. next , saryn presses 1, then 4. it's often overlooked, but there it is. next, i wasn't ever bragging about my skills, that's kind of the opposite of my point, which is that the game is so easy you can do it with any frame without consideration. next, of course you can't take a frame that doesn't dps and not give it a beast weapon to clear with in a mode that is based on killing everything as fast as you can. that said, if i cared to correct you and show you it's still possible, i"d get a polearm with a high riven dispo, put a beast riven on it for 10K with some viral procs modded in and go to town and the job would still get done... and before you continue down this whole you're saying: take a frame with no meaningful offense, terrible defense, no rivens, no weapons that allow you to clear quickly and then make that work in a mode where killing as fast as you can is the only goal... come on now... at this point we've removed so many systems that the power level of anything viable has dropped 80%, so yeah, eventually if you're like "also it's a zero level frame, not primed, no mods..." then yeah, we're getting into absurd territory that no reasonable person should be doing, and frankly, again, misses the point. it's not about me being awesome, it's that the game is dumb easy if you use the systems available to you, like so easy, that the game's namesake can be made irrelevant... I'm not sure how that went over your head. at best i'm a slightly above average player, and that has more to do with my knowledge of the game than my gaming muscle skills. Edited August 12, 2019 by Klokwerkaos 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
selig_fay Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 1 час назад, Klokwerkaos сказал: next , saryn presses 1, then 4. it's often overlooked, but there it is. Please remember what started this conversation, not to get into a cycle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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