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Can something be done about Saryn?

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4 minutes ago, -Bv-Concarne said:

So what? op probably doesn't and is also probably at the early stage in the game where the annoyance of killing enemies slowly hasn't set in. For those who do are just mad that they didn't get the bigger number in the mission report.

I see what you mean. But to be honest, this thread is mainly full of people trying to get him to learn the game mechanics by going harder frames

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#*!% it, let's get rid of every frame but the nukers. They are the ones mainly played and are better ways to save time playing.  

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29 minutes ago, moostar95 said:

#*!% it, let's get rid of every frame but the nukers. They are the ones mainly played and are better ways to save time playing.  

I honestly don't know if this is a joke or not

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28 minutes ago, WoodedSkate89 said:

I honestly don't know if this is a joke or not

Check General Discussion, it is either a joke or a cry for help.

I'm hoping that it is the former.

Edit: Scratch that, the thread got nuked from orbit.

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My main issue with saryn is saryn's that do public hydron.

They annoying af. (just got out of a game with an MR18 saryn with everything in his inventory max rank who I still can't figure out why he was there).

And seeing how I was trying to level up a sword it made it very difficult

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Just now, WoodedSkate89 said:

My main issue with saryn is saryn's that do public hydron.

They annoying af. (just got out of a game with an MR18 saryn with everything in his inventory max rank who I still can't figure out why he was there).

And seeing how I was trying to level up a sword it made it very difficult

But you should gain more (about 50%+) affinity for weapons if other players killing enemy, you only get 50% of affinity for a weapon if you gonna kill enemies, while you get 75% of affinity separated for all weapons in other player's kill.

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14 minutes ago, Test-995 said:

But you should gain more (about 50%+) affinity for weapons if other players killing enemy, you only get 50% of affinity for a weapon if you gonna kill enemies, while you get 75% of affinity separated for all weapons in other player's kill.

Didn't know that. I just left after like 2 waves of boredom

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He might have been there to get focus (though eso would be better for that).

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saryn needs another buff, need more salt and tears for my collection.

pro tip:  learn to out dps saryn or play solo or put your own group together or walk behind powerful players and pick up the free resources and xp and say thank you, or cry on the forums and know that it will never be changed because people have been crying about saryn since she was added to the game and in response they buff her every time.

those are your options.

additionally saryn isn't the problem.  i can out dps saryn with my melee weapon.  every frame can use a melee weapon.  why aren't you focussed on investing properly so that saryn is never an issue again for you?  or do you just want her nerfed because you refuse to take any of the options i mentioned>

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On 2019-08-08 at 3:55 AM, Loza03 said:

Easy yes. Not trivial. And not every frame, although yes, far mare than really should be reasonable. Trivial is when you don't actually have to play the game. And in that respect, Saryn is definitely the best of a bad lot. Something I've said a bunch of times now - I don't think Saryn's playstyle is a problem, just her output.

She can still wipe the map of enemies after all, regardless of the fact that you have to build up to it. If she couldn't do that at mid-levels onward somehow, either by leaving heavies or by softening up enemies more than killing them or even just a flat DPS cap whatever, she'd be A-OK. Honestly, her Miasma and Spores could deal no damage and still be useful due to the mass corrosive and viral procs making big EHP's way more manageable, though that's obviously a hyperbolic situation. She really doesn't need to be able to kill literally everything in the room once she's ramped up to still be powerful.

You have to put effort into wiping the map with Saryn. You're clearly mislead.

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7 hours ago, WoodedSkate89 said:

My main issue with saryn is saryn's that do public hydron.

They annoying af. (just got out of a game with an MR18 saryn with everything in his inventory max rank who I still can't figure out why he was there).

And seeing how I was trying to level up a sword it made it very difficult

Focus most likely.

 

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4 часа назад, (XB1)RevenantRequiem сказал:

You have to put effort into wiping the map with Saryn. You're clearly mislead.

1-4-4-4-4-4-1-4-4-4-4-1-4-4-4-4-4

I'm sweating.

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10 minutes ago, zhellon said:

1-4-4-4-4-4-1-4-4-4-4-1-4-4-4-4-4

I'm sweating.

Except that isnt it at all. You also have to use Toxic lash and spead the spores. The loop goes as such. Tocix lash first to prep, spore and shoot, then miasma to wipe a group and most likley lose alot of damage when you hit 0 enemies spored. And if you have enough effeciency to really just spam 4 then it wont be as strong as it could be or have as much range/power. Their is sacrifice and a need to know what group of enemies to go after with toxic lash up to keep the damage going that people are unwilling to admit is needed to play her properly. And you as well as many others in this post refuse to admit it doe stake some skill and setup to truly use sayrn...

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4 hours ago, (XB1)RevenantRequiem said:

You have to put effort into wiping the map with Saryn. You're clearly mislead.

I find it hilarious that you're clearly not even reading what I'm writing.

Wiping the map entirely is the problem, regardless of having to put effort in or not.

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1 минуту назад, (XB1)Zweimander сказал:

Except that isnt it at all. You also have to use Toxic lash and spead the spores. The loop goes as such. Tocix lash first to prep, spore and shoot, then miasma to wipe a group and most likley lose alot of damage when you hit 0 enemies spored. And if you have enough effeciency to really just spam 4 then it wont be as strong as it could be or have as much range/power. Their is sacrifice and a need to know what group of enemies to go after with toxic lash up to keep the damage going that people are unwilling to admit is needed to play her properly. And you as well as many others in this post refuse to admit it doe stake some skill and setup to truly use sayrn...

Because it is not necessary to play it properly. Simple pressing 1+4 you will be more effective than all the frames in the game. 

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9 minutes ago, zhellon said:

Because it is not necessary to play it properly. Simple pressing 1+4 you will be more effective than all the frames in the game. 

Also false. Outside of endless missions other DPS and suppost frames do better in most mission types. You dont bring a sayrn to Spy, Rescue, exterminate or any other non endless mission type do you? Most will bring a different warframe then sayrn to any of these mission types because Sayrn is only good when their is a constant and fast flow of enemies to feed her spores. Now ESO is where most people tend to complain about her and that is no coincidence, it is catered to her playstyle and where she thrives the most. And that is okay because other frames have missions they are the best in as well.

So should ivara be nerfed because she trivializes spy? How about Oberon on that stupid grineer escort mission? Wisp because she makes Interception a total joke? And I could go on but Sayrns calling is in the most limiting mission type possible which even stope her from spamming 4 to begin with yet people still complain. If you hate frames being the best in a given mission type advocate nerfs to all those frames or else your being a hypocrite and you know it.

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8 минут назад, (XB1)Zweimander сказал:

And I could go on but Sayrns calling is in the most limiting mission type possible which even stope her fron spamming 4 to begin with yep people still complain. 

Lol? Saryn is effective in most content. In this case, you compare with frames that are simply effective in one thing and have problems with everything else. In small content, you don't really need to keep track of the numbers because they are quickly typed. In high content, you don't have to keep track of numbers because spores take off armor, and the operator can kill with mines. As you yourself said, Saryn is a good weapon buffer and the recent improvement in augmentations has made it even stronger. And you really have a good protection, which is absent in 80% of frames. (of course, if you know how to use it, and not just press the button). Saryn really effective in all but spy(and this is a problem you can fix by your operator). 1+4 has to change its mechanics because it is real easy. Because lazy people get rewarded for doing nothing. That's not what's supposed to be in the game.

 

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8 hours ago, (XB1)RevenantRequiem said:

You have to put effort into wiping the map with Saryn. You're clearly mislead.

What planet are you on.

You press 1 and everything is done for you

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5 hours ago, zhellon said:

Lol? Saryn is effective in most content. In this case, you compare with frames that are simply effective in one thing and have problems with everything else.

Uhh, but the frames he mentioned don't have problems with everything else and only good for one thing.  

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12 минут назад, DatDarkOne сказал:

Uhh, but the frames he mentioned don't have problems with everything else and only good for one thing.

Can I not explain the obvious? I've already done this above.

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1 hour ago, zhellon said:

Can I not explain the obvious? I've already done this above.

So, you think that a frame like Ivara is only good for spy huh?  Regardless of all the proven evidence showing otherwise.  Ok.  LOL 

edit:  Please explain your point in a way that makes logical sense and I'll back you up.  Otherwise.........

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14 минут назад, DatDarkOne сказал:

Please explain your point in a way that makes logical sense and I'll back you up. Otherwise.........

It's easy. The game has some problems, such as protection of objects, armor, lack of energy, immune to the abilities of the mobs. Saryn solves almost all significant problems in solo and has no need for a team. Ivara has very good control, invisibility and nuck augment, but in most of the content Saryn can replace the whole kit with a skin. Oberon? Reducing armor is good. Radiation is very good. Immortality is even better. Increase allied damage? Perfectly. But Saryn can replace everything except immortality and spends less energy on it. Wisp - Yes, here I can agree she is useful, but it cannot Nuck all around and has bad armor reduction.

Add here that all of the above frames have a much smaller EHP than Saryn. 

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36 minutes ago, zhellon said:

Saryn solves almost all significant problems in solo and has no need for a team. Ivara has very good control, invisibility and nuck augment, but in most of the content Saryn can replace the whole kit with a skin.

Now, outside of ESO, what missions types can Saryn actually do better than Ivara can solo.  Just do an actual comparison between the two for each mission type.  

Heck, even do the same for Oberon.  

I'm saying this because while you are saying that Saryn can do everything solo, I know for a fact that Ivara can actually do the whole game completely solo as I have done it.  

edit: Also if ehp was such a important factor, then why can a frame with lower ehp go longer in survivals than Saryn.  This one is mostly to point out that frame ehp doesn't always matter.  

edit 2:  While I have no problems with Saryn, some of these statements in this topic are either boosting her actual strengths or denying abilities of other frames to try and tell a false narrative.  

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2 часа назад, DatDarkOne сказал:

I'm saying this because while you are saying that Saryn can do everything solo, I know for a fact that Ivara can actually do the whole game completely solo as I have done it.

edit: Also if ehp was such a important factor, then why can a frame with lower ehp go longer in survivals than Saryn.  This one is mostly to point out that frame ehp doesn't always matter.

Theoretically Saryn is capable of survival of any level. I don't have that much time and stamina to test it, but you can use the skin instead of invisibility and be more effective than Ivara at the expense of killing. Anyway, when I talk about EHP, I mean EHP.Don't try to speculate on my words. Ivara is not capable of facetank at 100 levels.

I don't understand what you're trying to gain by speculating on words. I got the main idea. I literally said that.

10 часов назад, zhellon сказал:

1+4 has to change its mechanics because it is real easy. Because lazy people get rewarded for doing nothing. That's not what's supposed to be in the game.

Now to this.

2 часа назад, DatDarkOne сказал:

edit 2: While I have no problems with Saryn, some of these statements in this topic are either boosting her actual strengths or denying abilities of other frames to try and tell a false narrative. 

I don't understand why you wrote it here. It's great that you don't have a problem. But you're just accusing people of lying and not trying to prove it. 

You know what really all these posts in this topic? Two camps. One camp is trying to protect a lazy farm. Another is trying to defend their right to play the game wherever and whenever, and not to listen to their address such things: "play solo" (in the online game) and "collect party" (to reduce the strength of the party, lol). What are you trying to protect? 

 

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48 minutes ago, zhellon said:

What are you trying to protect? 

I will only try to answer this question as everything else in that post is either misreading what I wrote or flat out presenting erroneous info as if it were a fact.  

So here goes.  I'm not trying to protect anything.  I could care less if Saryn gets nerfed or buffed.  What I have done in this topic is correct erroneous data or statements to provide a better narrative for those reading as well call out B.S. 

53 minutes ago, zhellon said:

Theoretically Saryn is capable of survival of any level. I don't have that much time and stamina to test it, but you can use the skin instead of invisibility and be more effective than Ivara at the expense of killing. Anyway, when I talk about EHP, I mean EHP.Don't try to speculate on my words. Ivara is not capable of facetank at 100 levels.

This above quote is a Prime example of B.S. Without the data or knowledge to prove it.  Meaning that yes Ivara can facetank lvl 100's as well as lvl 9999 and it not a theory as it's been done more than once and recorded.  

Saryn's Molt will NOT keep her alive after a certain point in enemy levels.  

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