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Can something be done about Saryn?

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9 minutes ago, xV3NOMx said:

I disagree.

All players have their own preferences and play style, and use different warframes, weapons, companions and sentinels that they enjoy.

[ It is selfish for wanting to nerf anything, when other Players enjoy using them. ] 

 

*If you have a problem with other Players using Saryn, play the game on "Solo" mode or create your own squad.

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On 2019-08-02 at 8:13 AM, MrRixter said:

I'm a fairly new player and today I got matched with a Saryn at my sortie. It was the first time that I felt bored in the game. There was nothing for me to do, everything was dying instantly all over the map so I just went afk and made a cup of tea. Whats the point of me trying to improve my frames and get all the mods, arcanes etc, when a frame exists which can nuke the whole map with no effort at all? I apologise if I'm wrong but from what I saw was a Saryn barely even moving.

I feel quite deflated right now and confused on how something so broken is allowed to exist in the game. Bare in my mind I'm quite new so I'm not aware if there are other broken frames, its just this Saryn was the first one I saw.

Saryn and other warframes are not broken.

[ All warframes have different abilities that enable the Player to defend themself without relying on weapons. ] 

If you have a problem with other Players out-performing you on a "Public" game, then play the mission on "Solo" mode or join/create a squad through the use of the "Recruiting" chat channel. 

 

Welcome to the game, Tenno!

 

 

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5 hours ago, zhellon said:

Please remember what started this conversation, not to get into a cycle.

I'm sorry, i didn't know you were a moderator, and/or were allowed to say untrue/erroneous things without being called out for it.

protip:  leave the moderation to the moderators, if you think something is a personal attack, feel free to bring it to their attention, but you're no authority here and you will not be kowtowed to as such.

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Who tf spams molt and why would you even? Press 1. Press 4. Things die. No need to molt when your damage is and range is high enough to basically nuke every map in existence.

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1 hour ago, Tigger22 said:

Who tf spams molt and why would you even? Press 1. Press 4. Things die. No need to molt when your damage is and range is high enough to basically nuke every map in existence.

You are the issue with community

Revert Saryn To 2.0 without Molt Spam

The Saryn you are playing with is Saryn 3.0

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11 hours ago, (PS4)Timcan_57 said:

So,when there's a toxic destroyer in your team as Saryn,you don't need to do anything.She kills everything instantly.She is a tank,too.

I knowwhen you revisited Wukong,you aimed people to play him.People weren't playing him because there was better tanks with CC abilities etc.

And now it's same with Saryn,but the opposite situation.There's no reason to play with any other Warframe if you have a Terminator that can take any damage possible in the system,you won't need any other Warframe.

You are completely wrong. Saryn is perfect the way she is currently. I'm getting real sick of seeing all of these anti-Saryn propaganda posts.

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14 hours ago, (PS4)Timcan_57 said:

Yo yo chill I guess I triggered something

I mean you’re asking for a nerf to the frame that many consider to be the gold standard of frame design. I wish more frames were designed like Saryn. Not specifically in what she does, but how she does it. The effective scaling, powers that can work on their own or with each other in a fluid experience. Functionally speaking, Saryn is a masterpiece of design.

So telling DE to nerf Saryn now is equivalent to telling them to just stop trying to make good frames. That you’d rather them make more frames like Revenant who trip over themselves with every ability cast.

PS. Laugh reacting all the comments you disagree with doesn’t make you look right. It makes you look desperate.

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36 minutes ago, (XB1)GearsMatrix301 said:

I mean you’re asking for a nerf to the frame that many consider to be the gold standard of frame design. I wish more frames were designed like Saryn. Not specifically in what she does, but how she does it. The effective scaling, powers that can work on their own or with each other in a fluid experience. Functionally speaking, Saryn is a masterpiece of design.

So telling DE to nerf Saryn now is equivalent to telling them to just stop trying to make good frames. That you’d rather them make more frames like Revenant who trip over themselves with every ability cast.

Saryn is gold, Saryn is love, Saryn is life.

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Omg. Another dude who wants to break something that works at least. What about fixing Ember, Nyx, Vauban etc, first? Nah Let's just nerf some shoite just because.
I'm tired of those childish complaints. You're literally making this game harder for everyone.

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Saryn is just another nuke frame and one that uses Viral damage making her great against Grineer and Corpus but weak against Infested. While other nukes have other abilities that allow you to increase damage to enemies, create shields, give extra speed, heal, etc Saryn has an ability that does DOT and has great synergy with her nuke ability.

Honestly if you want to nerf one nuke you're better off nerfing them all as people will just move on to the next. 

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6 часов назад, Klokwerkaos сказал:

I'm sorry, i didn't know you were a moderator, and/or were allowed to say untrue/erroneous things without being called out for it.

What? I simply pointed out to you that you are giving as an argument what started this dispute. I directly said that 1+4 - this too the easy a bunch of. You said that Saryn should be used 1+4 (no, it is not necessary. You can use 1 and kill enemies). For this I am afraid that this debate will start again from the same place. Personally, I don't want that because I've already explained my position above.

After all, it's your suggestion to zip through the ESO on any frame with any weapon and mod set. Again, maybe I misunderstood you, but I didn't see any other hidden meanings.

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The equinox need death to charge her ult. Mesa requires aimed fire and direct visibility. Yes, you can spin to win, but you still do the action. Saryn just need to find 1 enemy to kill 1 enemy and just press 4 to everything around you stayed and died. You can literally stand still and press 2 buttons. Because no one is capable of killing just like that, Saryn can. You have to admit that Saryn Is far superior to the rest of the nuckers. And all nuckers have problems with infected because ancient healers.

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2 hours ago, zhellon said:

What? I simply pointed out to you that you are giving as an argument what started this dispute. I directly said that 1+4 - this too the easy a bunch of. You said that Saryn should be used 1+4 (no, it is not necessary. You can use 1 and kill enemies). For this I am afraid that this debate will start again from the same place. Personally, I don't want that because I've already explained my position above.

After all, it's your suggestion to zip through the ESO on any frame with any weapon and mod set. Again, maybe I misunderstood you, but I didn't see any other hidden meanings.

I think you missed the point.

The point is, if you want to disagree, cool.  If you want to make a point or take apart and dissect an argument, cool.

Right about the time you start directing/correcting my behavior, not cool and I will call you out on it.

If you don't want to go into a discussion because you feel it is cyclical, that's entirely your choice and you don't need to involve/direct me as part of that choice, because that's at best, condescending, very likely inflammatory, and potentially even aggressive.

If someone else wants to get into a circular argument, and you don't want to be a part of it you have every right not to participate.  Once you start dictating to others what they can/should/should not engage in when they haven't explicitly solicited your opinion about what they should do/think/say, you're attempting to non-consensually dominate/control/stifle, and that's a power only moderators have here and it's something I take exception to and will call out.

So if you don't want to participate in a particular conversation, that's fine.  However... do not explain to me what conversations I'm allowed to have, please and thank you.

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16 hours ago, (PS4)Timcan_57 said:

So,when there's a toxic destroyer in your team as Saryn,you don't need to do anything.She kills everything instantly.She is a tank,too.

I knowwhen you revisited Wukong,you aimed people to play him.People weren't playing him because there was better tanks with CC abilities etc.

And now it's same with Saryn,but the opposite situation.There's no reason to play with any other Warframe if you have a Terminator that can take any damage possible in the system,you won't need any other Warframe.

Oh this thread again... Dude, there is already one of these going right now on the front page, literally right above this post... but given how incredibly droll the complaint is, I'm pretty sure you couldn't be bothered to check and you just came here to vent, and frankly, that's offensive to me.

Let me explain how it goes.  You get mad about saryn because you can't keep up, even though you have a melee weapon which is the most powerful thing in the game and at endgame levels your frame pretty much doesn't matter at all.  You also failed to put your own group together, or play solo, and you didn't like how someone else played, probably in ESO.

Additionally your notion of her being a tank is incredibly ignorant.  Any warframe can be built to be functionally immortal, saying she can be tank, however, is just ridiculous.

Is she the go to for one particular game mode?  Yes.  Just like people use ivara for spy, volt for relics, etc.  Those frames all trivialize those modes too.  Better nerf every frame into the ground right?

Saying there is no point to play any other frame is so incredibly ignorant I don't know what to start and it shows pretty clearly you don't know the value of your own arsenal, which is probably why you're complaining to begin with, because you don't understand the underpinnings of the mechanics of the game, which is fine, right up until you start making proclamations about the direction of the game as if you're any sort of authority.

Most all frames have at least one thing they are really good at, the exception being ember who is presently outclassed in every way for everything she does.  Even Vauban, the other lackluster frame, can still make soloing interception super easy.

Now you'll respond by saying "I shouldn't have to put my own group together!"  Well, you do.  If you want people to play the way you like you absolutely have to do that because everyone else has different goals and they are doing different things and they don't care about your feels, and if you want them to, put your own group together.  Just because you want to run and gun, doesn't mean everyone else in your group doesn't want to be as efficient as possible at completing the mission, and that's every bit as valid as what you want.

But before you continue... and say "It shouldn't be that way, everyone should play the way I like and the way I want!" (or rather, some variation that paints you in a better light but is functionally the same argument).

Well 1) No.  2) Also No.  And 3) just so you know, people have been crying about saryn since she was released.  You know what happens every time DE touches her?  She gets a buff.  So go ahead and beg them to take another look at her so they can buff her again, because I survive and sustain myself on the salt and tears of people crying for nerfs.

The facts are, every warframe, including Ember, is stupidly OP for the content available, but the answer isn't to nerf everything into the ground, the answer is to create new challenges by creating enemy responses to our power level (essentially buffing them), otherwise you'll basically be invalidating literally everyone's 1000s of hours of investment for rivens, plat, frames, the entire market as a whole, pretty much the entire game, all because we nerf stuff you don't like.

You have options, you failed to take them, no sympathy.  You also don't know what you're talking about.

No thank you.

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On 2019-08-12 at 6:22 PM, (PS4)Timcan_57 said:

a toxic destroyer

Or so is your opinion... Something that doesn't really mean anything more than all others, be them for or against Saryn.

 

As for me I do like to have a Saryn on my team, specially when the mission is boring, and for ESO when I want to level something up. And despite Saryn not being my most favorite frame to use she does come in hand when clearing up boring missions or to help people powerlevel. And I know I'm not alone in this.

Just yesterday I went and picked up a Uranus Fissure Defense to do the Nightwave 20 Waves Challenge. I knew I'd find other willing people even in a PUG, and we had a Nova and a Mesa. I was the Saryn because, well, it's 20 waves and I just want to do it fast while collecting fissure loot. Mesa didn't mind in the slightest as it was greatly aiding me in clearing the map. Nova even thanked us both and praised how we were very useful in making that boring task quicker.

As for not needing any other frames I really don't know why that would happen. I have an ESO killer Saryn and I just use her in the terms above since I don't really enjoy her apart from her express purpose to me. A tool for a job, like every other frame. I still use 90% of all frames in different occasions, despite having my own favorites from the frame pool. 

So back to the beginning. It's about personal views. You are free to hate on her, as much as you are free to leave any squad in which you see her. Because in a game where grind is heavy many players will equally praise the heavens for the existance of grind-erasing frames such as Saryn, Nekros, Ivara and other such frames that make necessary tasks much easier.

Lord clem knows I leave the mission if I see something that kills my gameplay, such as a max range Limbo on Hydron. Because that's my choice when entering a PUG. Because I know that if I dislike my PUG party I'm free to make my own party in recruit, with like-minded Tenno.

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17 минут назад, Klokwerkaos сказал:

I think you missed the point.

So explain. You yourself mentioned me by writing this

В 8/12/2019 в 2:41 AM, Klokwerkaos сказал:

This is literally any frame.  people complain at one button to win frames but call frames advanced when they use two buttons like nidus or limbo.

this argument is absurd.  the fact are you can wipe tiles with any frame with a melee weapon 1 button push which renders frame choice obsolete anyway, and all frames are viable and able to breeze through any content if you build them right and invest properly in your load out, even the trashiest of trash frames, ember.

pick literally any frame and i can do a sortie and c rotation arb/eso without trying.  i can even do it with auto install mods and random weapons and a minimal amount of effort.

As you remember, it was about 1+4. You called my argument absurd because, apparently in your opinion, every frame with a melee weapon is capable of destroying everything within a radius of 50 meters. It's written literally. And followed your suggestion from which I concluded that you are able to go ESO to solo on Loki. You attacked me, I defended my opinion. You know that the best defense is an attack.

Okay, let's look at other frames that can kill anything within a 50-meter radius. Equinox requires you or allies to kill mobs to charge 1 nuck strike. Mesa requires you to turn the mouse and have direct visibility. There are still frames like gara or khora - but they have a limit on damage and this is mainly the merit of riven which will be removed in the future. Saryn - use 1, kill 1 enemy, spam 4 to all died. This is literally the minimum amount of action I've seen in the game. You and your allies don't need to run and kill to spread the damage because they do it themselves. And if that means I'm against good shots, then Yes, I don't want good shots like Saryn To exist in this game, then Yes, it does. I think it's a good frame, if it provides a unique gameplay. Making everyone around you die is not a unique gameplay because you are not playing.

Now tell me again that I don't understand.

 

 

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1 minute ago, zhellon said:

So explain. You yourself mentioned me by writing this

As you remember, it was about 1+4. You called my argument absurd because, apparently in your opinion, every frame with a melee weapon is capable of destroying everything within a radius of 50 meters. It's written literally. And followed your suggestion from which I concluded that you are able to go ESO to solo on Loki. You attacked me, I defended my opinion. You know that the best defense is an attack.

Okay, let's look at other frames that can kill anything within a 50-meter radius. Equinox requires you or allies to kill mobs to charge 1 nuck strike. Mesa requires you to turn the mouse and have direct visibility. There are still frames like gara or khora - but they have a limit on damage and this is mainly the merit of riven which will be removed in the future. Saryn - use 1, kill 1 enemy, spam 4 to all died. This is literally the minimum amount of action I've seen in the game. You and your allies don't need to run and kill to spread the damage because they do it themselves. And if that means I'm against good shots, then Yes, I don't want good shots like Saryn To exist in this game, then Yes, it does. I think it's a good frame, if it provides a unique gameplay. Making everyone around you die is not a unique gameplay because you are not playing.

Now tell me again that I don't understand.

 

 

You don't understand.

Your points are rhetoric, and subjectively biased, and also wrong. 

Hope you're happy now, I did what you asked.  

I'm fairly certain you and I can be done with this by way of me not wanting to entertain this nonsense.

You've shown you don't have the capacity to have a meaningful conversation on the subject as far as I'm concerned. 

Have a nice day.

 

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1 минуту назад, Klokwerkaos сказал:

Your points are rhetoric, and subjectively biased, and also wrong.

the same applies to you xD

1 минуту назад, Klokwerkaos сказал:

Have a nice day.

Thanks. You too.

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Can we all take a moment to appreciate what a thread (made by an almost new player) about Saryn being broken (which is objectively untrue) turned into?

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Honestly this is more of a design issue than Warframe itself, we're talking about indoor environments and near-global range skills, Saryn isn't the only one who can do that.

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vor 18 Stunden schrieb (XB1)XG1anBl4derX:

No character can do what he is designed to as it seems. Nerf Saryn, then they will find something else to blame, and that infinite cycle will keep repeating forever.  

That's what i hate about democracy, everyone can share their opinions...even people who don't even know what they're talking about.

That's highly offensive but it's true.

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On 2019-08-13 at 1:41 AM, uAir said:

LOL!

Is that the story you tell yourself?

Let me correct it for you..

1) You lie about being able to carry me through ESO with Rhino.
 2) I ask you for proof.
3) You can't prove it so instead of going into the game with me and proving me wrong or just admitting that you lied and were talking without using your brain you sit on the forums and tell more lies.
4) I ask you to prove your other lies.
5) You tell more lies.

And now you're even making up your own version of the story. That's cute.

really, now you're using "LOL"

The thing is you try and say that that's what happened. Even though you just ignored every single argument I put on there and focused on one bit.

1. I'm seriously getting sick of this. READ WHAT I AM PUTTING. WITH ARCANE ENERGIZE AND A SUPPLY OF AROUND 250K ARMOR (1MIL AT MAX) WHICH I CAN THEN DEAL AS DAMAGE, IT'S NOT HARD TO COMPLETE ESO. SERIOUSLY READ THAT.

^^^Another point you have completely ignored and just went on about your topic sentence^^^

3. Back to another point you have ignored. Why don't I make a smurf and you can carry me through earth, venus and mercury. By your logic, if you don't that means you can't.

4. I did prove it. I showed someone using the exact same build as me getting 1mil from iron skin. (Only going through 20 enemies or so.) In eso there are a lot more.

 

(Also when you asked me if I was "trolling" people, can't even begin to say how cringey that is, I had evidence because that took about 2 minutes to prove). Read back through this thread if you can't remember.

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12 hours ago, (XB1)XG1anBl4derX said:

LOL dude what's your concept of better? 

Wukong was the best tank, no doubts. How can ANYTHING be a better tank than someone that literally becomes invincible? 

 

Hildryn can too (with arcane barrier and arcane aegis). Plus her 2 denies all negative procs. And her 4 supplies energy for her team on an insane level

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