uAir Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 Not a problem. I wish I could just run with players all the time that could carry the game for me. I just want free stuff. If I wanted to "play the game" as some of you have suggested I'd just go solo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormy505 Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 16 hours ago, Olphalarepth said: I'm not going to give you any playful answer nor joke around it. Some frames are so extremely overpowered beyond any possible reason and we have no idea why. That is the gist of it Many players will tell you that is not true and will try to sell DE's line that "every frame can do equally well in any situation and there is no perfect frame for a job". Absolute lie as there are a handful of frames that can dps in an outlandish manner, crowd control, get damage reduction and heal while others struggle to keep up with even a single task. Welcome to warframe I'm probably poking the hornets nest by replying to this considering some of the replys in this thread but meh. I agree with most of what you said and anyone who actually says "every frame can do equally well in any situation and there is no perfect frame for a job." Is just lying to themselves. But I'll argue that it's more of: we have a few underpowered frames with no place in the game vs a few overpowered frames who can do everything. People will argue who's the best nuker, tridolon DPS, stealth frame, defense frame etc. And usually there's niche arguments on why a frame is the best for said mission. For best spy frame, Ivara can ignore lasers while Loki keeps his full mobility options. For tridolons, chroma does the most DPS but rhino can ignore cc and it's possible to solo a tridolon with him. There are on the other hand some defacto bad frames in this game, banshee, ember, zephyr and cc frames as a whole. And nerfing the top meta frames isn't going to help these frames in all honesty. If I was a dev at DE I'd consider making content that encouraged the use of cc content (just a thought, but maybe introducing something like a arbitration drone but instead of having imunity to abilities as a whole, it only has imunity to damage.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)DidacoJack Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 Welcome to Warframe, where people shakes in panic at the mention of the word 'nerf'. Where overpowered things are actually welcomed by the community because they help with the grind... Instead of asking for balance among the characters AND some tweaks to the drop chances, people here just strives to have such an imbalanced status quo, making the game a boring chore rather than engaging and fun. Enjoy your first sessions in this game (imo they are the best) , and at the first sign of boredom play another game without thinking twice. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aldain Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 1 hour ago, 844448 said: Second, doesn't that make you want to gain more power to be able to compete with that saryn? Doesn't that make you yearn for more power? There's an old saying that comes to mind when I read this... Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgabor Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 14 hours ago, Kingdom_key599 said: sound quake/ resonating quake.... We should stop counting that as a thing anymore. It only clears the lowest of the low trash mobs and would be better off replaced with a more useful ability that actually works in synergy with Banshee's kit, like an exalted sniper/dagger, or something that triggers invis and other buffs for a few seconds on headshots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
z3us32610 Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 23 hours ago, Hawk_of_the_Reborn said: Because that's what Saryns do. Please stop complaining, because that's the reason why Ember has been nerfed so hard into the ground that she can't even survive anything higher than level 20 missions I realize Ember was nerfed but I disagree that she can't survive in higher level content. I have a 2 forma Ember Prime build that handles sortie 3 and kuva floods just fine. She's not tanky by any means but with the right set up and weapons, coupled with smart gameplay, she's just fine. I would even go further and say she's fun. Could she be improved? Sure, but she's far from being terrible. That's just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)zThulsaDoomz Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 You believe Saryn is broken. Somewhere, Octavia is laughing her head off. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aldain Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 18 minutes ago, (XB1)Thy Divinity said: You believe Saryn is broken. Somewhere, Octavia is laughing her head off. To be fair Octavia is a problem for many reasons, not just comical room nuking potential. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fallen77 Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 Il y a 23 heures, Wyrmius_Prime a dit : Peacemaker's augment let's move and the mod can even be equipped on the exilus slot. With a bit of teamwork Mesa can deal millions of damage in a few shots. Saryn and Equinox cannot do that, since they hardly benefit from any buffs. However making Equinox deal millions of damage is still possibly, but doing it consistently requires a bit of a setup. I would rank Equinox above Saryn as well in terms of needing a nerf. I still think saryn is more efficient in the "regular" cycle of play. Sure she falls off faster than mesa, but you still have to go very high level for it to make a good difference in my opinion. Albeit, I did not make indephts tests and comparisons, just my overall feeling of the thing. And yeah, equinox before saryn. But again, I don't know how I would react if my three queens were nerfed into the ground... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giantconch Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 Saryn does, what Saryn is advertised to do. Deal damage. Whats more braindead, having to aim at an enemy, press a button, then make sure those spores actually pop, spread them, and keep ensuring they keep popping and keep spreading, or pressing 4, holding left click, and spinning the mouse around? Or maybe pressing 4, killing a few enemies to charge the nuke, then pressing 4 again to drop the nuke? Or how about pressing 4, running at enemies with an Ignis. Or how about pressing 4 and watching every enemy within 60m just stumble back and eat damage? Or how about just spamming control+E while running at crowds? How about pressing 1,4,3 then spamming crouch and watching everything that comes in range melt? Or how about pressing 4, watching an electrical pulse go out, zap and stunlock enemies and shock anything nearby until dead? I get the feeling from a lot of this threads responses, that if you arent just wall-hopping aimgliding pew-pewing you are considered brain dead. Damage dealing frames deal damage. Thats what they do, and it seems like a lot of people either don't understand that, or can't accept that people might maybe want to do that, and will turn straight up toxic as #*!% towards anyone who does. Screw all of them. If you don't want a certain frame in your game, feel free to set to invite or friends only and set up a pre made group, otherwise shut the hell up when you run a public squad, or quit and find a new group to run with. Stop trying to get frames nerfed into Ember status simply because you don't like it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nslay Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 It's the same with Ignis/Ignis Wraith. Like Saryn/Mesa/other nuke frames, these weapons suck the fun out of the game for everyone unfortunate enough to be partnered with users of these weapons. I was really sorry for maxing Ignis/Ignis Wraith in public games with 100:1 kill ratios. They are cool weapons, but I will never ever wield these in public games again. I bet Amprex and a few others are just as efficient at sucking the fun out of public games too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgabor Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 23 minutes ago, Giantconch said: Saryn does, what Saryn is advertised to do. Deal damage. Whats more braindead, having to aim at an enemy, press a button, then make sure those spores actually pop, spread them, and keep ensuring they keep popping and keep spreading, or pressing 4, holding left click, and spinning the mouse around? Or maybe pressing 4, killing a few enemies to charge the nuke, then pressing 4 again to drop the nuke? Or how about pressing 4, running at enemies with an Ignis. Or how about pressing 4 and watching every enemy within 60m just stumble back and eat damage? Or how about just spamming control+E while running at crowds? How about pressing 1,4,3 then spamming crouch and watching everything that comes in range melt? Or how about pressing 4, watching an electrical pulse go out, zap and stunlock enemies and shock anything nearby until dead? I get the feeling from a lot of this threads responses, that if you arent just wall-hopping aimgliding pew-pewing you are considered brain dead. Damage dealing frames deal damage. Thats what they do, and it seems like a lot of people either don't understand that, or can't accept that people might maybe want to do that, and will turn straight up toxic as #*!% towards anyone who does. Screw all of them. If you don't want a certain frame in your game, feel free to set to invite or friends only and set up a pre made group, otherwise shut the hell up when you run a public squad, or quit and find a new group to run with. Stop trying to get frames nerfed into Ember status simply because you don't like it. The difference though, some of these activities take some effort or has some risk added to your gameplay or has some other drawback as a tradeoff or simply aren't that good. Saryn has practically none and trivializes most content in the game. (on top of being really boring to play) But sure, some of these are almost or just as broken as Saryn but the game doesn't get better if we just cherrypick something and say: 'This is just as bad' as a reason to ignore the problem entirely. Saryn is a bad design as is (or more like overtuned in terms of the damage numbers the frame can reach), so is Mesa and Volt press 4 to win nukes or frames that can facetank with impunity without any input from the players part. (this is something they've done right in f.ex. Harrow's design) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaithRose Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 (edited) On 2019-08-02 at 8:13 AM, MrRixter said: I'm a fairly new player and today I got matched with a Saryn at my sortie. It was the first time that I felt bored in the game. There was nothing for me to do, everything was dying instantly all over the map so I just went afk and made a cup of tea. Whats the point of me trying to improve my frames and get all the mods, arcanes etc, when a frame exists which can nuke the whole map with no effort at all? I apologise if I'm wrong but from what I saw was a Saryn barely even moving. I feel quite deflated right now and confused on how something so broken is allowed to exist in the game. Bare in my mind I'm quite new so I'm not aware if there are other broken frames, its just this Saryn was the first one I saw. Wanted to chime in here. I haven't read many other responses to your thread yet, so forgive me if I am repeating things already said. I was in the same boat as you when I started playing. As a new player trying to get an understanding of the game, it was difficult when "nuke" frames came in and wiped everything out. However, as I got further in, I quite appreciate the "nuke" frames. Sorties in particular, can go real sour real fast (especially under the right conditions) and it can be nice to have a "nuke" come along and crowd control so the rest of us can actually have time to complete the mission (unless it's the mission where skills attack teammates XDDD). If it's an exterminate, even better, that's a faster trip to the reward and me being able to move on to other things. I can't even tell you how much I love running into a Saryn in Sanctuary (so much so that I made one and enjoy taking people on weapon/frame training runs). I personally don't feel Saryn is broken at all. She's a glass cannon if you are specked for insane damage output. If you are unfamiliar with the frame, she has limitations like any other. Her spores (first ability) can be incredibly hard to rev up and maintain and Miasma (4th ability) consumes a lot of energy if folks are running high strength and max range. Higher level enemies don't one hit die either with Miasma. I would also like to note that reaching that level with Saryn can take some work too. Thing is, many players are chasing the "end game". The reason players, even as you stated in your own post, keep working is to get to the point of handling higher level content. If it isn't an "OP" frame, it's an "OP" weapon. Then, perhaps, when you obtain your improvements, it will be you that is speeding through missions and cheesing it for someone else. I've learned the best way to experience the game is to play solo, or look to only play with friends/clan mates so I can ask them to "knock it off" (LOL) if they are wiping the map too fast. Should you be forced to play solo or only with friends to avoid map nuking? No....but if your goal is to experience the actual game play, it's probably your best bet. Edited August 3, 2019 by FaithRose 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErratusEnigma Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 7 minutes ago, FaithRose said: Wanted to chime in here. I haven't read many other responses to your thread yet, so forgive me if I am repeating things already said. I personally don't feel Saryn is broken at all. Thing is, many players are chasing the "end game". The reason players, even as you stated in your own post, keep working is to get to the point of handling higher level content. If it isn't an "OP" frame, it's an "OP" weapon. Then, perhaps, when you obtain your improvements, it will be you that is speeding through missions and cheesing it for someone else. I've learned the best way to experience the game is to play solo, or look to only play with friends/clan mates so I can ask them to "knock it off" (LOL) if they are wiping the map too fast. Should you be forced to play solo or only with friends to avoid map nuking? No....but if your goal is to experience the actual game play, it's probably your best bet. These. The 'clear whole rooms while looking fabulous' is a part of Warframe's identity by now. If people aren't doing that with their Frames (Saryn, Volt, Octavia, Equinox, Frost, Ember, so on...) they're doing that with their weapons (Slide-attack melees, beam weapons, explosives, chaining...). It's just a part of the game. There are things that can and will clear the room faster than Saryn ever will. As you scale into higher level missions, you'll find that that Saryn that annoyed you so wouldn't even be the one doing most of the killing. There's a time and a place for everything. If that kind of playstyle annoys you or makes it boring for you, you can play by yourself, or with like-minded people, or maybe kindly request that the people murderizing your whole room give you some room to stop. Destroying a playstyle because it makes it personally boring for you is not the answer, especially not if when confronted by it, you went AFK and made some tea. You might want to try playing one of those frames yourself, familiarize with the way they do things. Or not. Who am I to tell you how to play your game, after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nslay Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 When I see 100:1 kill ratios owing to Saryn/Mesa/Ignis user, I leave, taking my recently unvaulted or vaulted relic with me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
str4dlin Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 @MrRixter Why this forum is full of people crying? If you can't undersand this game is based on roles and specific behaviours doing a frame usefull for specific situations. Doing it a cooperative game, what is it. Many of warframes can do what saryn does and kill a whole wave of low level mobs in 1 shoot. Want names? Gara, Banshee, Volt, Mesa, Equinox, Ember, want more? others are usefull for many other situations where Saryn doing S#&$. You dont understand the game and you blame about a warframe. You have not idea what you talk and you criticize without argument. For first give a look to range of skills in warframe and say then that Saryn is best for killing in low mode. When you Have others that can clear a wave faster. See to saryn damage and say that Saryn is best in terms of base damage. You just have 0 idea what you talking. If you play level 10 missions where a Saryn and many other waframes can clear the wave is not our problem of people who NEED Saryn for some specific high end content. Doing team with other specific warframes that bring us a good and competitive experience. Saryn kills because she is made for that. Stop crying please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nslay Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 (edited) When I get home from work, I log into Warframe and watch Saryn kill everything for me. I have a lot of fun witnessing others play Warframe. EDIT: I am sorry, I couldn't help myself! It's too funny! Edited August 3, 2019 by nslay 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nslay Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, moostar95 said: YoUr H a V I N G F U N R I G h T LoL. this is why I call anyone that wants endgame in this a clown. I'm having fun whenever Saryn, Mesa and/or Ignis aren't in my game. There are Saryns and Mesas that don't obnoxiously press 4 to kill those lone 1-2 unalerted guys, but you know... they're a rarity! Edited August 3, 2019 by nslay 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormy505 Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 1 hour ago, nslay said: When I see 100:1 kill ratios owing to Saryn/Mesa/Ignis user, I leave, taking my recently unvaulted or vaulted relic with me. Good. If you can't stand how other people play, go solo. Honestly this thread has worse crybabies then the people expecting pug survivals to go 2 hours long. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bibmobello Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 (edited) It's fun when someone bring mesa for an assassination target thinking to get most damage at the end. I have seen 3 level 27 mesa thinking why they deal 10% and ivara 70%(with 1/3 of killed enemies) or more and they didn't even know there was an ivara playing... Edited August 3, 2019 by bibmobello Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExcaliburUmbra Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 Pretty sure DE is aware of the issue, as even Pablo himself has expressed on Twitter that he is unhappy with how the rework ended up. With new frames, reworks, a new story quest and a new gameplay expansion on their plate, who can say when or even if they will ever address it? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikyr0 Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 (edited) I think a common theme is emerging here, or rather Waframe's true problem: it's just not a good coop game. "Just go play solo" is essentially you making excuses for DE's terribad game design. It's true, I actually do enjoy playing solo much more. So why is WF being marketed as a coop game? Why does it even have a coop component? Why are there so many anti-fun frames (for those not using them)? Edited August 3, 2019 by Ikyr0 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DatDarkOne Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 23 minutes ago, bibmobello said: It's fun when someone bring mesa for an assassination target thinking to get most damage at the end. I have seen 3 level 27 mesa thinking why they deal 10% and ivara 70%(with 1/3 of killed enemies) or more and they didn't even know there was an ivara playing... I do this all the time as Ivara. Heck, I intentionally go into group pub missions as Ivara to "Steal" the most damage stat. If you see me using Artemis Bow, then more than likely that is exactly what I'm doing. hehe.......Mwuhahahahahahaha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
o0Despair0o Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 Someday you'll wish you had a Saryn with you. Believe me, the day will come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cubewano Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 9 minutes ago, o0Despair0o said: Someday you'll wish you had a Saryn with you. Believe me, the day will come. I've been playing for over four years and all I've ever wished is for Saryn to go away. She's a hot mess of a design right now, incredibly damaging to co-operative play, and a symptom of a decaying game balance. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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