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Ehh.... in a game where bombards and grenades can one shot you through obstacles Saryn is a blessing. Wanna nerf her? Sure, but nerf the enemies too.

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I could go into a low to mid lvl mission with an aoe Frost and wipe everything with a single cast before you can shoot once. You would still cry a river. 

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1 hour ago, (XB1)GaussPrime said:

Banshee? What the hell is she doing in that list..?

sound quake/ resonating quake....

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To OP: If you want any enjoyment out of this game, you'll almost never find it in a party situation. You should definitely just play solo. In fact, I can't even imagine why this game has any multiplayer features at all given the state its in. Fortunately for you, though, because of the game's dire state of balance, you too can dumpster just about everything all by yourself given some time and practice. Outside of things that are just about mandatory to do multiplayer(like fissures), I stick to solo so I can actually shoot the baddies with my bullets.

This game has great gunplay and movement but you won't see any of that in multiplayer. You'll run into a nuke frame, an Ignis, a Staticor, or whatever flavor of least resistance is. There's a fun game in here but no one wants to play it most of the time.

The thing that baffles me the most is how so many people seemingly appreciate how their very existence in the game is totally superfluous in so many missions. That we should be thanking the people who appoint themselves the glory hog. For playing a game for us. That we all are allegedly playing to enjoy ourselves. I can't even imagine wanting to play a game so much that I don't want to play it. I cannot understand this rationale.

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Am I building my Saryn wrong? People keep yapping that Saryn players do nothing but stand there as her spores kill enemies. Last time I checked, I have to keep killing enemies so that her spores stay up.

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No. Going into public missions is your choice and you have to accept that things may happen in it that you don't like the result of. If you cant handle it and also cant just enjoy the free Exp that comes from being near such a player then your only recourse is to play solo or with organised groups. 

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Firstly OP, that saryn has gone through some investment to reach that amount of power

Second, doesn't that make you want to gain more power to be able to compete with that saryn? Doesn't that make you yearn for more power?

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Not a problem.
I wish I could just run with players all the time that could carry the game for me. I just want free stuff. If I wanted to "play the game" as some of you have suggested I'd just go solo.

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16 hours ago, Olphalarepth said:

I'm not going to give you any playful answer nor joke around it.

Some frames are so extremely overpowered beyond any possible reason and we have no idea why. That is the gist of it

Many players will tell you that is not true and will try to sell DE's line that "every frame can do equally well in any situation and there is no perfect frame for a job". Absolute lie as there are a handful of frames that can dps in an outlandish manner, crowd control, get damage reduction and heal while others struggle to keep up with even a single task. Welcome to warframe

I'm probably poking the hornets nest by replying to this considering some of the replys in this thread but meh.

I agree with most of what you said and anyone who actually says "every frame can do equally well in any situation and there is no perfect frame for a job." Is just lying to themselves. But I'll argue that it's more of: we have a few underpowered frames with no place in the game vs a few overpowered frames who can do everything. 

People will argue who's the best nuker, tridolon DPS, stealth frame, defense frame etc. And usually there's niche arguments on why a frame is the best for said mission. For best spy frame, Ivara can ignore lasers while Loki keeps his full mobility options. For tridolons, chroma does the most DPS but rhino can ignore cc and it's possible to solo a tridolon with him.

There are on the other hand some defacto bad frames in this game, banshee, ember, zephyr and cc frames as a whole. And nerfing the top meta frames isn't going to help these frames in all honesty. If I was a dev at DE I'd consider making content that encouraged the use of cc content (just a thought, but maybe introducing something like a arbitration drone but instead of having imunity to abilities as a whole, it only has imunity to damage.)

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Welcome to Warframe, where people shakes in panic at the mention of the word 'nerf'. 

Where overpowered things are actually welcomed by the community because they help with the grind... Instead of asking for balance among the characters AND some tweaks to the drop chances, people here just strives to have such an imbalanced status quo, making the game a boring chore rather than engaging and fun.

 

Enjoy your first sessions in this game (imo they are the best) , and at the first sign of boredom play another game without thinking twice.

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1 hour ago, 844448 said:

Second, doesn't that make you want to gain more power to be able to compete with that saryn? Doesn't that make you yearn for more power?

There's an old saying that comes to mind when I read this...

Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.

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14 hours ago, Kingdom_key599 said:

sound quake/ resonating quake....

We should stop counting that as a thing anymore.

It only clears the lowest of the low trash mobs and would be better off replaced with a more useful ability that actually works in synergy with Banshee's kit, like an exalted sniper/dagger, or something that triggers invis and other buffs for a few seconds on headshots.

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23 hours ago, Hawk_of_the_Reborn said:

Because that's what Saryns do. Please stop complaining, because that's the reason why Ember has been nerfed so hard into the ground that she can't even survive anything higher than level 20 missions

I realize Ember was nerfed but I disagree that she can't survive in higher level content. I have a 2 forma Ember Prime build that handles sortie 3 and kuva floods just fine. She's not tanky by any means but with the right set up and weapons, coupled with smart gameplay, she's just fine. I would even go further and say she's fun. 

Could she be improved? Sure, but she's far from being terrible.

That's just my opinion.

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18 minutes ago, (XB1)Thy Divinity said:

You believe Saryn is broken.  

Somewhere, Octavia is laughing her head off.

To be fair Octavia is a problem for many reasons, not just comical room nuking potential.

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Il y a 23 heures, Wyrmius_Prime a dit :

Peacemaker's augment let's move and the mod can even be equipped on the exilus slot. With a bit of teamwork Mesa can deal millions of damage in a few shots. Saryn and Equinox cannot do that, since they hardly benefit from any buffs. However making Equinox deal millions of damage is still possibly, but doing it consistently requires a bit of a setup. I would rank Equinox above Saryn as well in terms of needing a nerf.

 

I still think saryn is more efficient in the "regular" cycle of play. Sure she falls off faster than mesa, but you still have to go very high level for it to make a good difference in my opinion. Albeit, I did not make indephts tests and comparisons, just my overall feeling of the thing.

And yeah, equinox before saryn.

But again, I don't know how I would react if my three queens were nerfed into the ground...

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Saryn does, what Saryn is advertised to do. Deal damage.

 

Whats more braindead, having to aim at an enemy, press a button, then make sure those spores actually pop, spread them, and keep ensuring they keep popping and keep spreading, or pressing 4, holding left click, and spinning the mouse around? Or maybe pressing 4, killing a few enemies to charge the nuke, then pressing 4 again to drop the nuke? Or how about pressing 4, running at enemies with an Ignis. Or how about pressing 4 and watching every enemy within 60m just stumble back and eat damage? Or how about just spamming control+E while running at crowds? How about pressing 1,4,3 then spamming crouch and watching everything that comes in range melt? Or how about pressing 4, watching an electrical pulse go out, zap and stunlock enemies and shock anything nearby until dead?

 

I get the feeling from a lot of this threads responses, that if you arent just wall-hopping aimgliding pew-pewing you are considered brain dead. Damage dealing frames deal damage. Thats what they do, and it seems like a lot of people either don't understand that, or can't accept that people might maybe want to do that, and will turn straight up toxic as #*!% towards anyone who does. Screw all of them.

 

If you don't want a certain frame in your game, feel free to set to invite or friends only and set up a pre made group, otherwise shut the hell up when you run a public squad, or quit and find a new group to run with. Stop trying to get frames nerfed into Ember status simply because you don't like it.

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It's the same with Ignis/Ignis Wraith. Like Saryn/Mesa/other nuke frames, these weapons suck the fun out of the game for everyone unfortunate enough to be partnered with users of these weapons.

I was really sorry for maxing Ignis/Ignis Wraith in public games with 100:1 kill ratios. They are cool weapons, but I will never ever wield these in public games again. I bet Amprex and a few others are just as efficient at sucking the fun out of public games too.

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23 minutes ago, Giantconch said:

Saryn does, what Saryn is advertised to do. Deal damage.

 

Whats more braindead, having to aim at an enemy, press a button, then make sure those spores actually pop, spread them, and keep ensuring they keep popping and keep spreading, or pressing 4, holding left click, and spinning the mouse around? Or maybe pressing 4, killing a few enemies to charge the nuke, then pressing 4 again to drop the nuke? Or how about pressing 4, running at enemies with an Ignis. Or how about pressing 4 and watching every enemy within 60m just stumble back and eat damage? Or how about just spamming control+E while running at crowds? How about pressing 1,4,3 then spamming crouch and watching everything that comes in range melt? Or how about pressing 4, watching an electrical pulse go out, zap and stunlock enemies and shock anything nearby until dead?

 

I get the feeling from a lot of this threads responses, that if you arent just wall-hopping aimgliding pew-pewing you are considered brain dead. Damage dealing frames deal damage. Thats what they do, and it seems like a lot of people either don't understand that, or can't accept that people might maybe want to do that, and will turn straight up toxic as #*!% towards anyone who does. Screw all of them.

 

If you don't want a certain frame in your game, feel free to set to invite or friends only and set up a pre made group, otherwise shut the hell up when you run a public squad, or quit and find a new group to run with. Stop trying to get frames nerfed into Ember status simply because you don't like it.

The difference though, some of these activities take some effort or has some risk added to your gameplay or has some other drawback as a tradeoff or simply aren't that good.

Saryn has practically none and trivializes most content in the game. (on top of being really boring to play)

But sure, some of these are almost or just as broken as Saryn but the game doesn't get better if we just cherrypick something and say: 'This is just as bad' as a reason to ignore the problem entirely.

Saryn is a bad design as is (or more like overtuned in terms of the damage numbers the frame can reach), so is Mesa and Volt press 4 to win nukes or frames that can facetank with impunity without any input from the players part. (this is something they've done right in f.ex. Harrow's design)

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On 2019-08-02 at 8:13 AM, MrRixter said:

I'm a fairly new player and today I got matched with a Saryn at my sortie. It was the first time that I felt bored in the game. There was nothing for me to do, everything was dying instantly all over the map so I just went afk and made a cup of tea. Whats the point of me trying to improve my frames and get all the mods, arcanes etc, when a frame exists which can nuke the whole map with no effort at all? I apologise if I'm wrong but from what I saw was a Saryn barely even moving.

I feel quite deflated right now and confused on how something so broken is allowed to exist in the game. Bare in my mind I'm quite new so I'm not aware if there are other broken frames, its just this Saryn was the first one I saw.

Wanted to chime in here. I haven't read many other responses to your thread yet, so forgive me if I am repeating things already said.

I was in the same boat as you when I started playing. As a new player trying to get an understanding of the game, it was difficult when "nuke" frames came in and wiped everything out. However, as I got further in, I quite appreciate the "nuke" frames. Sorties in particular, can go real sour real fast (especially under the right conditions) and it can be nice to have a "nuke" come along and crowd control so the rest of us can actually have time to complete the mission (unless it's the mission where skills attack teammates XDDD). If it's an exterminate, even better, that's a faster trip to the reward and me being able to move on to other things. I can't even tell you how much I love running into a Saryn in Sanctuary (so much so that I made one and enjoy taking people on weapon/frame training runs).

I personally don't feel Saryn is broken at all. She's a glass cannon if you are specked for insane damage output. If you are unfamiliar with the frame, she has limitations like any other. Her spores (first ability) can be incredibly hard to rev up and maintain and Miasma (4th ability) consumes a lot of energy if folks are running high strength and max range. Higher level enemies don't one hit die either with Miasma. I would also like to note that reaching that level with Saryn can take some work too.

Thing is, many players are chasing the "end game". The reason players, even as you stated in your own post, keep working is to get to the point of handling higher level content. If it isn't an "OP" frame, it's an "OP" weapon. Then, perhaps, when you obtain your improvements, it will be you that is speeding through missions and cheesing it for someone else. I've learned the best way to experience the game is to play solo, or look to only play with friends/clan mates so I can ask them to "knock it off" (LOL) if they are wiping the map too fast. Should you be forced to play solo or only with friends to avoid map nuking? No....but if your goal is to experience the actual game play, it's probably your best bet.

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7 minutes ago, FaithRose said:

Wanted to chime in here. I haven't read many other responses to your thread yet, so forgive me if I am repeating things already said.

I personally don't feel Saryn is broken at all. 

Thing is, many players are chasing the "end game". The reason players, even as you stated in your own post, keep working is to get to the point of handling higher level content. If it isn't an "OP" frame, it's an "OP" weapon. Then, perhaps, when you obtain your improvements, it will be you that is speeding through missions and cheesing it for someone else. I've learned the best way to experience the game is to play solo, or look to only play with friends/clan mates so I can ask them to "knock it off" (LOL) if they are wiping the map too fast. Should you be forced to play solo or only with friends to avoid map nuking? No....but if your goal is to experience the actual game play, it's probably your best bet.

These. The 'clear whole rooms while looking fabulous' is a part of Warframe's identity by now. If people aren't doing that with their Frames (Saryn, Volt, Octavia, Equinox, Frost, Ember, so on...) they're doing that with their weapons (Slide-attack melees, beam weapons, explosives, chaining...). It's just a part of the game. There are things that can and will clear the room faster than Saryn ever will. As you scale into higher level missions, you'll find that that Saryn that annoyed you so wouldn't even be the one doing most of the killing.

There's a time and a place for everything. If that kind of playstyle annoys you or makes it boring for you, you can play by yourself, or with like-minded people, or maybe kindly request that the people murderizing your whole room give you some room to stop.

Destroying a playstyle because it makes it personally boring for you is not the answer, especially not if when confronted by it, you went AFK and made some tea.

You might want to try playing one of those frames yourself, familiarize with the way they do things.

Or not. Who am I to tell you how to play your game, after all.

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When I see 100:1 kill ratios owing to Saryn/Mesa/Ignis user, I leave, taking my recently unvaulted or vaulted relic with me.

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@MrRixter

Why this forum is full of people crying?

If you can't undersand this game is based on roles and specific behaviours doing a frame usefull for specific situations. Doing it a cooperative game, what is it.

Many of warframes can do what saryn does and kill a whole wave of low level mobs in 1 shoot. Want names? Gara, Banshee, Volt, Mesa, Equinox, Ember, want more? others are usefull for many other situations where Saryn doing S#&$. You dont understand the game and you blame about a warframe. You have not idea what you talk and you criticize without argument. For first give a look to range of skills in warframe and say then that Saryn is best for killing in low mode. When you Have others that can clear a wave faster. See to saryn damage and say that Saryn is best in terms of base damage. You just have 0 idea what you talking.

If you play level 10 missions where a Saryn and many other waframes can clear the wave is not our problem of people who NEED Saryn for some specific high end content. Doing team with other specific warframes that bring us a good and competitive experience.

Saryn kills because she is made for that.

Stop crying please.

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Posted (edited)

When I get home from work, I log into Warframe and watch Saryn kill everything for me. I have a lot of fun witnessing others play Warframe.

EDIT: I am sorry, I couldn't help myself! It's too funny!

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41 minutes ago, nslay said:

When I get home from work, I log into Warframe and watch Saryn kill everything for me. I have a lot of fun witnessing others play Warframe.

EDIT: I am sorry, I couldn't help myself! It's too funny!

YoUr H a V I N G F U N R I G h T LoL. this is why I call anyone that wants endgame in this a clown. 

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