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35 minutes ago, Sea_Blue_Stars said:

Personally, I enjoy taking a while to farm. It gives me something to do while my new MR fodder or cool new Warframe builds. You don't realize how much you can get sometimes when you just dont focus on the farming itself.

Yes I don't. Each time I would find a new interesting weapon I'd love to use I have to put at least 6 formas in it to make it work. Same for warframes. Imagine how long it takes. Just imagine. You're telling me "Enjoy farming". I've enjoyed farming... First 30 minutes. I want my build complete to able to play with it. And you want me spend weeks doing dull repetitive S#&$e? Sorry, m8, your "I enjoy farming" argument is a flimsy plaster for a gaping wound. What rank are you at the moment? I'm too lazy to go check your profile. You probably have no idea how dull and boring this game gets when you're leveling gear to build it properly. Try putting 8 formas in new weapon. You'll see.

35 minutes ago, Sea_Blue_Stars said:

And by the time the new thing is done, I have something else ready to build, and I can take shiny new thing out to level while I do it all again. 

Again, what ranks are you talking about? Do you have an idea how many gear you should level to reach ranks above 24th? And sometimes it's unpleasant to use. I can't enjoy using something like stug.

Why should I suffer and have to do it slower just because YOU prefer this play-style. If you want to farm slowly then farm slowly. It's your choice. Thing you want will affect everybody. This is selfish.

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19 minutes ago, AkyFenrir said:

By the way when someone tells you "I'm not playing meta", it means they don't value pure efficiency.

That's exact. And they want you to play the same way, because they can't keep up with the meta. It's like slowing down a train due to one passenger unable to sustain the pace.

 

18 minutes ago, AkyFenrir said:

Forcing other players to play the game the way YOU enjoy is extremely selfish.

Yes. Exactly.

 

Thank you.

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I love the hypocrisy of some, you see no problem clearing the map with a 30 meter kripath / scoliac with slide attack macro, then comes a Warframe nuker and suddenly you become the good guy.

Curious.

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4 minutes ago, Peter said:

I love the hypocrisy of some, you see no problem clearing the map with a 30 meter kripath / scoliac with slide attack macro, then comes a Warframe nuker and suddenly you become the good guy.

Curious.

It's not hypocrisy. It's concurrence! Natural instinct.
"Reeeee can't one-hit whole map while wanking with my meme strike slide macros cuz of that stupid Saryn stealing the combo!!!"

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21 minutes ago, AkyFenrir said:

We're done with MR fodders, max MR so far. Only things left are riven and farming platinum. I don't want my platinum farm to get longer.

By the way when someone tells you "I'm not playing meta", it means they don't value pure efficiency.

I'm a Titania main myself, one of the 5most underplayed warframes in the game. I don't like to bulletjump all the time and  i don't have to with Titania.

The entire game doesn't take part in DEFENSE MISSIONS! 

Forcing other players to play the game the way YOU enjoy is extremely selfish.

I'll keep defending nukers against selfish people like you. It's not really hard, only thing you have is "i like my playstyle, your playstyle annoys me  so i've to ruin yours." Doing exactly what you're complaining about Saryn. 

I also use my Titania, a lot. I enjoy her skins and abilities and she's my favorite for Ayatan hunts. 

She's a great frame and she's a lot of fun. 

That aside, let me offer you a perspective.

Nukes are honestly pretty selfish. 

Forcing other players to have nothing to do is incredibly selfish. Taking every kill in a mission is extremely selfish. Having your teammates exist purely to spawn you more enemies is selfish. 

I really don't get what your point here is. 

6 minutes ago, TeaHawk said:

Sorry, m8, your "I enjoy farming" argument is a flimsy plaster for a gaping wound. What rank are you at the moment?

Surely you can believe that someone enjoys the farming? It lets me kill time. 

And, Mastery Rank doesn't really matter that much. All it is is a content lock. After that, it doesn't mean anything. 

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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2 hours ago, TeaHawk said:

If one small group of people composed of meta-unaware newbies, vile melee metagamers seeking advantage and trolls makes a statement which is yet impossible to defend, but they are still defending it, they are nothing but pathetic. It's not an insult. It's just a matter of fact. I'm sorry.

But that isn't a fact; it's just your opinion.

In my opinion, I find McDonalds utterly destestable, vile, and repulsive, because of how they can get away with such low-quality service, and garbage cuisine. I'd rather eat a barrel of cilantro seasoned Carolina Reapers, topped off with a beer-stein of Pepto-Bismol mixed with mustard, than one of those molding rags they pass off as food.

Now, does that mean McDonalds actually serves molding rags made to look like hamburgers? No. Of course not, because that is strictly my opinion. It's insulting to everyone who enjoys that cheap fastfood, but not to the people who agree with me.

So yes, you are being needlessly insulting.

2 hours ago, TeaHawk said:

You did not answer on my question about Ember. Why so? Maybe, because you somehow understand complainers responsibility behind her destruction. Tell to Ember mains about balancing. You'll see. She was a victim of same category of people. Imagine how many players have suffered? Then again it's a matter of fact.

Ember was a one-trick pony. Of course once you break that pony's legs, it's not going to be able to perform the only trick it knows. As I mentioned earlier, frames who specialise in only one thing always get hit the hardest by the nerf bat, because their kit offers nothing else of worth.

Spamshee was nerfed, but she still landed on her feet, because she had two other abilities that are highly commendable. Sonar is one of the best single target damage abilities, in this game. I used her for the Wolf Hunt at the end of Nightwave season 1, and he just got absolutely melted, regardless of which angle you hit him from, since Sonar can be cast multiple times. Ember offered nothing like that, and fire damage is one of the most useless types.

2 hours ago, TeaHawk said:

You know that Saryn nerf will certainly harm a lot of people. You did not make any statistic research to uncover will it do more harm or good. You have no idea how many would suffer if it's done. Although you still ask DE to nerf her, because it will positively affect you personally. Isn't it egocentric by definition? Is not it insidious? Tell me, m8

Did you do any statistical research on how many people actually utilise Saryn? Sure, we have the people in this thread, but bear in mind that they only represent a very minor fraction of the community. We have the graph that they showed on a Devstream before, but it didn't really give you any raw numbers, and not mention, that graph could be pretty dated by now.

You find this thread threatening to your position of in-game power, does this mean you're insecure? Surely this signifies that you have a deeply rooted fear of being rendered impotent!

 

 

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1 minute ago, Sea_Blue_Stars said:

Surely you can believe that someone enjoys the farming? It lets me kill time. 

I may enjoy farming as well. Efficient farming what Warframe is also about. 5% shoyld not force the remaining 95% to play this game the way they like it. You're killing time? Great. I have no time to kill. Bob has no time to Kill. Muhamed has no time to kill. etc. Think of them.

3 minutes ago, Sea_Blue_Stars said:

And, Mastery Rank doesn't really matter that much. All it is is a content lock. After that, it doesn't mean anything. 

I'm sorry but it does. Almost in every field. I suppose you're stuck around 16 level. That means you're really far from understanding what farming in this game really is.

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11 minutes ago, (PS4)The1stAzrael said:

because of how they can get away with such low-quality service, and garbage cuisine.

This is already not an opinion. It's a fact as well as everything I've said. I'm sorry.

11 minutes ago, (PS4)The1stAzrael said:

It's insulting to everyone who enjoys that cheap fastfood

Why? Because people are unwilling to assume their guilty pleasures. Not everything we love is good. Only mature man can accept this.

11 minutes ago, (PS4)The1stAzrael said:

Ember was a one-trick pony. Of course once you break that pony's legs, it's not going to be able to perform the only trick it knows. As I mentioned earlier, frames who specialise in only one thing always get hit the hardest by the nerf bat, because their kit offers nothing else of worth.

Indeed. Now we have a pony with broken legs. And we have it for... something like year. Maybe... it's time... to rework it a bit? No. Okay. Let's make a shark with no tail! People love hurting things.

11 minutes ago, (PS4)The1stAzrael said:

Did you do any statistical research on how many people actually utilise Saryn? Sure, we have the people in this thread, but bear in mind that they only represent a very minor fraction of the community. We have the graph that they showed on a Devstream before, but it didn't really give you any raw numbers, and not mention, that graph could be pretty dated by now.

I don't. But I'm not the one who's asking for change here. I'm not attentionwhoring. I'm not asking to do anything about current situation. I don't need graphs for it. You do.
You have to have solid crystal clear arguments and study to ask DE to tweak something, if you really want the best.

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7 minutes ago, TeaHawk said:

I'm sorry but it does. Almost in every field. I suppose you're stuck around 16 level. That means you're really far from understanding what farming in this game really is.

Right, sorry. Forgot MR exists for elitists to feel justified for being rude. 

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19 minutes ago, (PS4)The1stAzrael said:

You find this thread threatening to your position of in-game power, does this mean you're insecure? Surely this signifies that you have a deeply rooted fear of being rendered impotent!

Your are right and wrong. I would not benefit from Saryn nerf. Yes. It affects me.However, I don't play her personally. It will only affect occasional ranking. I've already prepared a couple of options to go on. I don't experience any kind of fear. Only disgust in community full of selfish vindictive ignorant players seeking to harm the others.

7 minutes ago, Sea_Blue_Stars said:

Right, sorry. Forgot MR exists for elitists to feel justified for being rude. 

MR affects your initial mod capacity, number of trades per day, number of standing per day for each faction, number of slots, etc. If you consider this unless... Well you just don't understand this game. You are a perfect example of what complainer does represent in general.

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Yes, Saryn is pretty powerful. But you asking for nerfs will end her up in the Ember pile. Useless at higher difficulties. You may as well remove Rhino's Iron Skin while you're at it too. Cuz its OP. Especially in the Ambulas fight and they drop the Ion Cannon on you right after you Iron Skin. RIP their damage.

To immediately alleviate your problem:

-Get an organized group.
-Don't use randoms
-If you use randoms and get a Saryn, Leave the Mission

Currently as it is, there is no true endgame content. What? Eidolons? thats a joke. Leveling up stuff in Hydron? Not anywhere near end game. I can solo every single mission regardless of the difficulty with a Rad Ivara or Irrad Loki. Or i can go the fun route with Trinity P or Nekros and start throwing out Specters and raise an army all while being utterly invincible in Arbitration indefinitely(its actually pretty hilarious to have all 4 people drop the max amount of specters and huddle under a bubble).

Tbh, I just made myself a goal to "Collect all the things". Basically, Waframe is now Pokeframe for me as content is either easy or too stupid hard to solo depending on equipment. MR means nothing except max daily rep/void traces, which i like. So max out your MR, do the thing and just move on to the next game. Since you're new, enjoy the free affinity? Leveling non-dps frames, having a Saryn in your group is an absolute godsend because the massive DPS means youre going to level faster.

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3 minutes ago, project_eulogy said:

-If you use randoms and get a Saryn, Leave the Mission

To complainers:

Yeah. If you like slow farming, why can't you sacrifice 40 seconds of loading? You want everyone to suffer just because you are too lazy to form a squad. That's simply insane. And you call "insidious" and "selfish" insults after this? Cmon

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5 minutes ago, TeaHawk said:

MR affects your initial mod capacity, number of trades per day, number of standing per day for each faction, number of slots, etc. If you consider this unless... Well you just don't understand this game. You are a perfect example of what complainer does represent in general.

Sure, it does that.

But you were asking purely as a way to invalidate and weasel around anything else I might say. You're asking for it so you can tell me I'm not allowed to have an opinion on this in some form or another.

Which is as toxic and elitist as it gets. 

But again, go off I suppose. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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16 minutes ago, Sea_Blue_Stars said:

You're asking for it so you can tell me I'm not allowed to have an opinion on this in some form or another.

Yes I do! If you're not even close to have good builds/you never got on arbitration/you never killed a level 200 enemy/you have no idea how grindy this game is/you never farmed for hours/you never spend your weekend leveling S#&$y gear only to get your riven nerfed 2 days after. And you pretend to understand the game. You have nothing to do in meta-discussion thread. You just don't understand the core game mechanics yet. You are ignorant not as insult but as definition of ignorant.

You want to change the game whose rules you don't even know yet. It's ridiculous.

 

16 minutes ago, Sea_Blue_Stars said:

Which is as toxic and elitist as it gets. 

When you take a plane, would you prefer it to be under control of experienced pilot or 6-months flying stage graduate?

Also, the word toxic means only one thing today: someone able to express opinion freely. As soon as you don't like somebody, you call him toxic.
You don't have arguments in a high tempered debate? Call your opponent toxic.

Your last statement perfectly depicts how weak your arguments are. You can't operate them. I would not ask what is your MR should you provide solid arguments. But you did not. I've asked about your MR, because you sound like someone who played warframe a couple of days. That's the impression you give. And as we can see, it's not only impression, is it?

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3 minutes ago, TeaHawk said:

Yes I do! If you're not even close to have good builds/you never got on arbitration/you never killed a level 200 enemy/you have no idea how grindy this game is/you never farmed for hours/you never spend your weekend leveling S#&$y gear only to get your riven nerfed 2 days after. And you pretend to understand the game. You have nothing to do in meta-discussion thread. You just don't understand the core game mechanics yet. You are ignorant not as insult but as definition of ignorant.

 

When you take a plane, would you prefer it to be under control of experienced pilot or 6-months flying stage graduate?
Also, the word toxic means only one thing today: someone able to express opinion freely. As soon as you don't like somebody, you call him toxic.
You don't have arguments in a high tempered debate? Call your opponent toxic.

Your last statement perfectly depicts how weak your arguments are. You can't operate them. I would not ask what is your MR should you provide solid arguments. But you did not. I've asked about your MR, because you sound like someone who played warframe a couple of days. That the impression you give. And as we can see, it's not only impression, isn't it?

This is all literally toxic and elitist. 

Seriously dude, just give it up. The only person you're making look bad is yourself.

The plane argument has no place here, because MR only equates to how much stuff you have. Not experience. 

But again, go off I guess. 

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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22 minutes ago, Sea_Blue_Stars said:

The plane argument has no place here, because MR only equates to how much stuff you have. Not experience. 

Let's develop. To get mastery rank you need to level up gear that makes you familiar with different weapons, frames and mechanics. Playing the very same frame for 1000 hours the very same mission does surely make you experienced. Experienced in playing one frame on one mission. Hence, MR shows that you have at least tried different content and possibilities that game provides. I'm sorry, but you can't deny it. You can have 4k hours in this game doing only kuva farm and selling rivens. Do you know this game? No, you don't. Mastery as oposite shows that you have an overall impression of the game. Prove me wrong, m8.

You can call me toxic elitist and send me off but it only shows your weakness. You have not given any valuable argument by so far. Your rework idea is absurd and does not make any sense. When flaws in your arguments and lack of experience are exposed, you're immediately calling your opponent toxic.
I repeat my words, you are the perfect example of what complainers are. Thank you very much for this.

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1 hour ago, (PS4)The1stAzrael said:

Well, we're talking about a scenario where neither frames are using their abilities, to extend their longevity; in the end the only frames who could possibly do something like that would Inaros or Nidus, largely due to their massive health pools and Nidus's innate healing.

Again, they don't need to kill them, but their abilities are so strong, that they eventually end killing enemies. I believe if their nuke abilities had reasonable limitations, then these nukers wouldn't be as big of a problem as they are now.

The point at which Saryn really begins to help Volt out by stripping armor is usually when both of them start running into trouble. The could work together if we had mission modes that quickly scaled into that range (yes, I know, Arbitrations, but the drawn out reward cycles and nullifier drone spam becomes unbearable after a short while). Although I can't imagine the levels of salt those missions would promptly generate when a particular meta formed.

Well, you did say any frame and good weapon. Admittedly, picking Rubico Prime was indeed malicious, however, your statement was fairly broad; I've could've picked a melee weapon like Rakta dark dagger since that also falls into the category of a "good weapon". In fact, paired with Ash, Covert Lethality and Fatal Teleport, it can be down right godly, in terms of single target damage. But I digress.

Well, I'm glad we could reach an agreement on atleast one thing, today.

I think i meant to say all of them can survive without nuking/damaging enemy unlike frames like harrow, but nidus works.

Nuking being too strong and solo oriented abilities being solo oriented is different matter i guess.

So i say problems in enemies too, since they start to be actually helpful at little higher level, that those enemies are too weak to stand against our abilities/weapons, warframe being semi-afk fest by massive AoE could also counts as problem but i like ez game like that, not only when using them but also having them in party.

Oh sorry, please replace the word "any good weapon" with "any good mass killing weapon".

 

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What if there was an enemy in higher levels that cannot be affected by abilities or has high resistance like a Nox, that is stronger depending on how many enemies are around them? Less enemies means physically stronger (more damage to attacks), more means weaker? This enemy seems like a good idea to me, but there might be somethings that are bad about this idea I haven't thought of. This enemy will probably be with Grineer or Corpus. Spawns in later portions of levels, or can spawn in early parts if you think it's a good idea.

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4 minutes ago, (XB1)LordZonut said:

What if there was an enemy in higher levels that cannot be affected by abilities or has high resistance like a Nox, that is stronger depending on how many enemies are around them? Less enemies means physically stronger (more damage to attacks), more means weaker? This enemy seems like a good idea to me, but there might be somethings that are bad about this idea I haven't thought of. This enemy will probably be with Grineer or Corpus. Spawns in later portions of levels, or can spawn in early parts if you think it's a good idea.

Tougher enemies overall is definitely one way to go. Something that co sistently survives hard core nukes would be a step in the right direction.

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il y a une heure, Sea_Blue_Stars a dit :

Right, sorry. Forgot MR exists for elitists to feel justified for being rude. 

MR is a demonstration we've experience in grinding the game. You want to make the grind more tedious for us. Being MR16 is ridiculously and only prove you've not grinded that much.  Therefore, whenever you want to make the game more tedious for us because you're too lazy to leave a game when there's something you don't like, that's the selfish thing right there. You do have an option to stop playing with Nukers. If you nerf nukers WE DON'T !

il y a une heure, TeaHawk a dit :

Your are right and wrong. I would not benefit from Saryn nerf. Yes. It affects me.However, I don't play her personally. It will only affect occasional ranking. I've already prepared a couple of options to go on. I don't experience any kind of fear. Only disgust in community full of selfish vindictive ignorant players seeking to harm the others.

MR affects your initial mod capacity, number of trades per day, number of standing per day for each faction, number of slots, etc. If you consider this unless... Well you just don't understand this game. You are a perfect example of what complainer does represent in general.

consider this as a complement of my previous point (well said :) 

il y a 52 minutes, Sea_Blue_Stars a dit :

Sure, it does that.

But you were asking purely as a way to invalidate and weasel around anything else I might say. You're asking for it so you can tell me I'm not allowed to have an opinion on this in some form or another.

Which is as toxic and elitist as it gets. 

But again, go off I suppose. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I wouldn't use a word used by "game journalist" to ridiculise legitimate criticism. Oh wait, you do exactly that !

We can use your MR as an indicator you didn't play much the game/ don't care about it.This way we can say you want to nerf something affecting MR grinding for everyone.

By the way Saryn doesn't get any affinity when she uses her skills. So doing defense as Saryn is litteraly useless. There's ESO for focus, and survival will always be better for ressources farm. Saryn ain't good in survival.

 

il y a 34 minutes, Sea_Blue_Stars a dit :

This is all literally toxic and elitist. 

Seriously dude, just give it up. The only person you're making look bad is yourself.

The plane argument has no place here, because MR only equates to how much stuff you have. Not experience. 

But again, go off I guess. 

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Repeating "Toxic" and "Elitist" because you can't say anything to improve your argumentation about saryn nerf. You should be looking for a gaming journalist job, you've all the required "qualities"! (I'm so cool i'm even offering you career suggestion!) 

il y a 6 minutes, (XB1)LordZonut a dit :

What if there was an enemy in higher levels that cannot be affected by abilities or has high resistance like a Nox, that is stronger depending on how many enemies are around them? Less enemies means physically stronger (more damage to attacks), more means weaker? This enemy seems like a good idea to me, but there might be somethings that are bad about this idea I haven't thought of. This enemy will probably be with Grineer or Corpus. Spawns in later portions of levels, or can spawn in early parts if you think it's a good idea.

Well there are... You must be in the very beginning of the starchart if you didn't see them yet. (Nothing wrong in being a beginner but proposing stuff already in the game doesn't help here)

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3 minutes ago, AkyFenrir said:

MR is a demonstration we've experience in grinding the game. You want to make the grind more tedious for us. Being MR16 is ridiculously and only prove you've not grinded that much.  Therefore, whenever you want to make the game more tedious for us because you're too lazy to leave a game when there's something you don't like, that's the selfish thing right there. You do have an option to stop playing with Nukers. If you nerf nukers WE DON'T !

Okay, sure. 

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24 minutes ago, Sea_Blue_Stars said:

Something that co sistently survives hard core nukes would be a step in the right direction.

Only issue with that is if you make something that can survive a hardcore nuke then everything that isn't a hardcore nuke tickles it (coughWolfofSaturnSixcough).

Damage inflation is just making everything in Warframe that isn't part of that inflation worse; weapons, frames, it doesn't matter which, DE can't make any content that doesn't have outrageous limitations or insane spongy enemies because of the sheer power creep.

More nullifiers/ability immunity, more damage resistance, more damage caps, things like this are the only reason some things don't explode instantly because the sheer power scale we have right now is absurd.

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2 hours ago, (PS4)chris1pat8twins said:

And whose fault is it that people are wanting to use such killframes for resources and affinity? Maybe if DE didn’t make us spend hours to farm for resources to progress a few inches, people wouldn’t be so desperate to have builds that allows them to get the job done quickly.

this is a fair but bad criticism.

if you don't want a grinding slog you can pay, or, you can not do F2P games.  

if  you don't  pay with money, you pay with time, and that's the trade off.  if you want reasonable reward structures get a solo play experience from the 90s that doesn't  connect to the internet before they invented microtransactions, because now even single player games are infested with that  crap... but the one  place grind has a reasonable place to  exist is in  free to play games, which warframe is.  

additionally, no matter what, people will always be hunting for how to be most efficient  and win the hardest, best and fastest, not just in warframe but in any game, so decreasing grind would leave people  with  less pressure, but  they would still use the meta to clear stuff at a fast rate.  plus de would be giving away a free game  without much incentive for people to support it.

like, you're right, the grind sucks, but it's there  by very intentional design, and in a way, it's completely  justified.

don't get me wrong, i totally gripe  about crap drop  rates,  especially  when i can't buy  something  with  plat, but... even if i'm  not buying with plat, at least it's giving me something to do.

 

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56 minutes ago, TeaHawk said:

This is already not an opinion. It's a fact as well as everything I've said. I'm sorry.

Why? Because people are unwilling to assume their guilty pleasures. Not everything we love is good. Only mature man can accept this.

Indeed. Now we have a pony with broken legs. And we have it for... something like year. Maybe... it's time... to rework it a bit? No. Okay. Let's make a shark with no tail! People love hurting things.

I don't. But I'm not the one who's asking for change here. I'm not attentionwhoring. I'm not asking to do anything about current situation. I don't need graphs for it. You do.
You have to have solid crystal clear arguments and study to ask DE to tweak something, if you really want the best.

An opinion is not a fact. "We breath air" is a fact. It is a fact, because we know it is true, thus making it a factual statement. "The colour yellow is ugly" is an opinion, I believe yellow is a hideous colour, other people live and die by the colour, neither of us are right or wrong, because our opinion of the colour is based of off our own preferences and perceptions.

Repeating an opinion doesn't make it a fact or give credence to validity. Actually, misconstruing an opinion as the truth is something people with an agenda frequently do. Saying that the people who enjoy fast-food consider McDonalds a guilty pleasure insinuates that they are aware of how bad their service is, but knowingly partake in the consumption of it. This would be incorrect, since they are people, generally adolescents, who love eating junk food, such as McDonalds, Cheetos, and high fructose corn syrup in a bottle, health advisories be damned.

You completely dis-regarded my explanation on why Ember turned out so bad, and immediately launched an insult at the people you should be engaging in a constructive debate, in order to understand why they think Saryn is so bad.

When engaging a group of individuals in a debate, it's highly advisable to provide a basis for your counter arguments. Saying that you don't need to explain why you think the other side is wrong, but they should provide a highly detailed, peer reviewed research paper on why they think xyz is bad, complete with pie-charts, raw numbers, and varying percentages based on the cultural, geographical, and the socio-economic differences between the demographics they interviewed, paints the mental picture of a highly arrogant, churlish, imp who believes he wins any argument, simply by saying "no, you're wrong"; regardless of the magnitude of evidence contradicting him.

This evidenced by the number of posts where you have mostly been parroting other peoples arguments and adding "yes, this!" or some ad hominem attack.

Which leads me to believe, that arguing with you, is a tremendous waste of my time.

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20 minutes ago, (PS4)The1stAzrael said:

This evidenced by the number of posts where you have mostly been parroting other peoples arguments and adding "yes, this!" or some ad hominem attack.

I've already given arguments 20 pages ago. You did not read them. I don't have to repeat it twice. It would be "parroting" myself. Also, your second post in this discussion is purely off topic and does not bring anything valuable except what you called ad hominem yourself. That does not make you shine.


If you want a constructive discussion mind to check what was previously said and argued in this topic. Oh.. I forgot... It's a waste of time as you've said. Goodbye. Have a wonderful day. I really hope you're enjoying your McDonalds meal right at this moment.
It's been a pleasure to meet such a mature well-read man, who have learned a couple of latinisms making him look smarter.

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