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hace 10 horas, Cubewano dijo:

I've been playing for over four years and all I've ever wished is for Saryn to go away. She's a hot mess of a design right now, incredibly damaging to co-operative play, and a symptom of a decaying game balance. 

Complete the phrase please. "I have been playing over 4 years and I ve not go out from casual content, my focus is to raise MR farming Hydron"

If you have been playing 4 years I cant belive you can't find difference between old and reworked Saryn, for example. Or we playing different games.

You ever tried to play she out from Hydron?

You have been playing 4 years I think you could give a more elaborated opinion if you have learn something about the game in the time. Or just walk around. 

Cry over cry.

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hace 7 horas, Cubewano dijo:

Forgot to mention, Pablo himself (the guy who reworked Saryn the last time or I guess two times) did acknowledge he had plans to rework her again in the future as he wasn't proud of how his last rework left her off, so she'll maybe be changed one day. But that day could be far far away, DE are very hesitant towards downward balancing these days. 

Because content is going upwards. Wake up Tenno!

Balance is bring Atlas to life, not downgrade. And bring harder content. 

This is not a static game.

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11 hours ago, Ikyr0 said:

I think a common theme is emerging here, or rather Waframe's true problem: it's just not a good coop game. "Just go play solo" is essentially you making excuses for DE's terribad game design. It's true, I actually do enjoy playing solo much more. So why is WF being marketed as a coop game? Why does it even have a coop component? Why are there so many anti-fun frames (for those not using them)?

Yes and this had been brought up countless times as far as 5 years ago. And even the solution to this issue - dont make room-wide radial nukes. If everyone had directional attacks - just like weapons - then each of 4 people could enjoy the game killing enemies. Dont make spammable radial nukes - they only kill coop shooter gameplay (pressing ability once in a while to kill everything is not even gameplay, a script could do it, there is zero thought process, skill or fun, but it's efficient and players will inevitably 'optimize all the fun out of the game just to get the rewards since this is a farming game).

Did DE listen? No. Enjoy stagnating playerbase since most of the new players quit and 'vet' players get bored quickly when the 'meta' is anti-coop and anti-gameplay. Beating a dead horse here. DE wont fix anything, they'd rather make more enemies immune to abilities.

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2 hours ago, Vortuna said:

Every time I had to level my stuff up to MR27, I prayed, and that happens only 20% of the time, and some of the rest consist of players bringing in unmodded weapons and/or warframes, taking about 10 minutes to clear 5 waves of Hydron before quitting.

I have a Saryn yet I can't level my own weapons and companions and require another saryn to help out. Yet we have these ungrateful bunch trying to kill the golden egg.

If you're MR 27 and you don't know how to level up every kind of weapon up to lv 30 in ....15 minutes max I dare to say you know very little of the game mechanics and Saryn is your go to frame because you can't handle the rest.

Sounds like an insult? Don't expect too much courtesy when you refer to players who don't agree with you as "ungrateful bunch".I own not a bloody thing to players who enjoys nuke frames, especially Saryn. I have NEVER stepped in Hydron to level up and, most likely, I have never run it with a party. I have my own way to super level stuff that doesn't involve LEECHING of one super frame that can clear enemies behind the walls in 3 seconds flat. If you don't get the problem I'll spell it out for you. We don't care how much "skill" you use when playing nuking frames. If it can clear a room with or without line of sight (and saryn just happens to be the biggest offender in this regard but she is not alone) dropping high level mobs in a handful of seconds when average frames barely have time to aim and kill a single one of them, well..... Do you think it's balanced?

"But I have a carefully selected planned build for this, it took me time and effort to invest in it". Big deal, took me time and investment too to for whatever I'm playing as I'm not handed free exp nor mods or endo so, forgive me if excuses of players who use easy win tactics mean nothing.

 

I have played many mmorpgs in my life but warframe is the only one that has this monstrous power creep where you can destroy and trivialize everything combining extreme dps with aoe damage. What the hell do you even need support/healing/tanking/crowd control when simply metaphorically saying "omae wa mou shindeiru" is way more than enough to push you forward in almost every situation? Considering that after the wound comes the insult as the nuking frames can also do other stuff other than dps and maybe, just maybe, you can start understand why some players feel like they are supporting characters in their own game as they literally add nothing the super frame can't already do itself. But look at bright side, you can say that players asking for balance are "crying" (despite the fact that you are the one in fear of losing easy win toys but whatever) and none of it matters as we all know DE takes biblical times before it even acknowledges something, let alone doing it (cough, *Vauban*, cough).

 

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For all the fans of "don't nerf x, buff y", how much power do we need before realizing that we are actual gods in a game that cannot challenge us? Keep buffing and buffing and what is left that can even scratch us?

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Le 02/08/2019 à 17:13, MrRixter a dit :

I'm a fairly new player and today I got matched with a Saryn at my sortie. It was the first time that I felt bored in the game. There was nothing for me to do, everything was dying instantly all over the map so I just went afk and made a cup of tea. Whats the point of me trying to improve my frames and get all the mods, arcanes etc, when a frame exists which can nuke the whole map with no effort at all? I apologise if I'm wrong but from what I saw was a Saryn barely even moving.

I feel quite deflated right now and confused on how something so broken is allowed to exist in the game. Bare in my mind I'm quite new so I'm not aware if there are other broken frames, its just this Saryn was the first one I saw.

I just don't get it you know ? How people can rush the forums for nerfs the exact second they experience something they don't like... People like you are the reason Ember is dead now! At the time we kept saying that another warframe would get picked for it's aoe damage, It's saryn now, and as predicted people will whine AOE to death so they can pew pew in their 20-25 starchart mission...

You don't even have context for what you're talking about... Sorties are NOT hard, they're super easy, and whenever a nuke is there i'm happy this daily task is done and i can go on something more interesting with my Titania (Yes i'm a Titania main, i don't play the op aoe thingies because i like to fly around as a pixie and i don't have to bullet jump around all the time)

You're facing a very typical problem ... You're a new player, your equipment is bad, you don't have a good mod collection and it made you struggle. So you missed the memo pointing out this game is  6years old, people are very strong in here, and that's ok, you're asking why to improve stuff ? Because that's how the game is designed. Either to be A big DPS, supporting your DPS or being immortal... those are stuff to do in this game.

Oh btw there are a lot of support frames that can help Saryn to be more efficient and make things go faster, however you won't have your TOP DPS/KILLS at the end... Play a support frame and get your saryn to kill faster...

But you didn't thought about it obviously ?

Some people will like the game the way it is. Some want to make it a completely different game and I'm not ok with it. I like to know i'll be super powerfull when i connect to warframe, and go out there if i want something challenging is fine by me.

 

 

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hace 23 minutos, Olphalarepth dijo:

If you're MR 27 and you don't know how to level up every kind of weapon up to lv 30 in ....15 minutes max I dare to say you know very little of the game mechanics and Saryn is your go to frame because you can't handle the rest.

Sounds like an insult? Don't expect too much courtesy when you refer to players who don't agree with you as "ungrateful bunch".I own not a bloody thing to players who enjoys nuke frames, especially Saryn. I have NEVER stepped in Hydron to level up and, most likely, I have never run it with a party. I have my own way to super level stuff that doesn't involve LEECHING of one super frame that can clear enemies behind the walls in 3 seconds flat. If you don't get the problem I'll spell it out for you. We don't care how much "skill" you use when playing nuking frames. If it can clear a room with or without line of sight (and saryn just happens to be the biggest offender in this regard but she is not alone) dropping high level mobs in a handful of seconds when average frames barely have time to aim and kill a single one of them, well..... Do you think it's balanced?

"But I have a carefully selected planned build for this, it took me time and effort to invest in it". Big deal, took me time and investment too to for whatever I'm playing as I'm not handed free exp nor mods or endo so, forgive me if excuses of players who use easy win tactics mean nothing.

 

I have played many mmorpgs in my life but warframe is the only one that has this monstrous power creep where you can destroy and trivialize everything combining extreme dps with aoe damage. What the hell do you even need support/healing/tanking/crowd control when simply metaphorically saying "omae wa mou shindeiru" is way more than enough to push you forward in almost every situation? Considering that after the wound comes the insult as the nuking frames can also do other stuff other than dps and maybe, just maybe, you can start understand why some players feel like they are supporting characters in their own game as they literally add nothing the super frame can't already do itself. But look at bright side, you can say that players asking for balance are "crying" (despite the fact that you are the one in fear of losing easy win toys but whatever) and none of it matters as we all know DE takes biblical times before it even acknowledges something, let alone doing it (cough, *Vauban*, cough).

 

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For all the fans of "don't nerf x, buff y", how much power do we need before realizing that we are actual gods in a game that cannot challenge us? Keep buffing and buffing and what is left that can even scratch us?


Oh yes, you are god, you can solo index after 1st hour with levels above 200 and mobs over 2kk HP. With Saryn, of course. Because Saryn uses her 4th and kill em in one shoot and you can't die because.. wait... because what? Oh yes, because you are God

Definitelly you right. And definitelly best config for 1 hour index is 4 Saryns. I dont know why I ve not ever found one and people focus on shooter warframes and rhinos Or other I dont mention under the risk they get nerfed 😞

(Ironic mode off)
Stop playing casual and find the real uses of that content. And If you feel better just ban Saryn from Hydron and let us play what we need for what we want.

Best of Saryn is ESO, but of course, you notice you need she after 8 rounds. You did ever tried? Probably not, like the  80% here giving opinion. Why to take effort? Consder we exist people that play that content. And stop crying.

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10 minutes ago, Olphalarepth said:

how much power do we need before realizing that we are actual gods in a game that cannot challenge us? Keep buffing and buffing and what is left that can even scratch us?

As long as mindlessly nuking wave after wave of Defence/ESO/Interception/whatever is one of the most efficient ways to earn affinity we need frames like Saryn, Equinox, Volt and the like. It's as simple as that. Oh, and nukers are only "godlike" at trivial content, so maybe it's a sign that we actually need some long overdue non-trivial content that doesn't require you to spend an hour in before it becomes remotely challenging?

Because your answer seems to nerf and cripple stuff to make trivial content more tedious, since you somehow see it as "challenging" to poke every last Grineer on hydron to death with toothpicks (hint: it's not). 

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13 minutes ago, str4dlin said:


Oh yes, you are god, you can solo index after 1st hour with levels above 200 and mobs over 2kk HP. With Saryn, of course. Because Saryn uses her 4th and kill em in one shoot and you can't die because.. wait... because what? Oh yes, because you are God

Definitelly you right. And definitelly best config for 1 hour index is 4 Saryns. I dont know why I ve not ever found one and people focus on shooter warframes and rhinos 😞

(Ironic mode off)
Stop playing casual and find the real uses of that content. And If you feel better just ban Saryn from Hydron and let us play what we need for what we want.

Best of Saryn is ESO, but of course, you notice you need she after 8 rounds. You did tried ever?

I think you confused ironic mode with salty Tenno. I have nothing aginst dps frames, I have only have issues with extreme dps that makes everything else irrelevant.

Why are you bringing lv 200 mobs in this? Do you find them in the star chart or sorties? Honestly I don't have patience to sit for hours for them to appear and I only kill them in simulacrum to test builds, ask DE to give us actual end game content that doesn't involve sitting for hours and we might even be best buddies. Hate the game, not the player.

6 minutes ago, Reifnir said:

As long as mindlessly nuking wave after wave of Defence/ESO/Interception/whatever is one of the most efficient ways to earn affinity we need frames like Saryn, Equinox, Volt and the like. It's as simple as that. Oh, and nukers are only "godlike" at trivial content, so maybe it's a sign that we actually need some long overdue non-trivial content that doesn't require you to spend an hour in before it becomes remotely challenging?

Because your answer seems to nerf and cripple stuff to make trivial content more tedious, since you somehow see it as "challenging" to poke every last Grineer on hydron to death with toothpicks (hint: it's not). 

You confuse the cause and effect. We don't have nuking frames because of ESO, it's quite the opposite.

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hace 15 minutos, Olphalarepth dijo:

I think you confused ironic mode with salty Tenno. I have nothing aginst dps frames, I have only have issues with extreme dps that makes everything else irrelevant.

Why are you bringing lv 200 mobs in this? Do you find them in the star chart or sorties? Honestly I don't have patience to sit for hours for them to appear and I only kill them in simulacrum to test builds, ask DE to give us actual end game content that doesn't involve sitting for hours and we might even be best buddies. Hate the game, not the player.

I bring level 200 mobs or high-end content because is what Saryn is made for! Im not salty, I play the content you forget and you want to nerf a warframe that I could need. And Saryn has not insane damage. Bring numbers or check those and say that again. Ash has insane damage. Saryn just can clean faster in low level because the AOE, for what she is builded, not power strength, and win you in DPS reason why you are here crying.

Gara can also clear a wave where you play, also nerf she then, and volt, and equinox (that now I mention can stack infinite damage OMG nerf him yet!) . Lets do all warframes act like devotees with a pistol. Much more funny game and remove endless content.

Play the game, learn the true. 

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10 minutes ago, str4dlin said:

I bring level 200 mobs or high-end content because is what Saryn is made for! Im not salty, I play the content you forget and you want to nerf a warframe that I could need. And Saryn has not insane damage. Bring numbers or check those and say that again. Ash has insane damage. Saryn just can clean faster in low level and win you in DPS reason why you are here crying.

Gara can also clear a wave where you play, also nerf she then, and equinox please and volt. Lets do all warframes act like devotees with a pistol. Much more funny game and remove endless content.

Play the game, learn the true. 

Wait, hold it. Who told you that Saryn is for high level content? Do you have confirmation from Steve or Scott? Maybe a tweet from Pablo? Just asking cause last time I checked the official statement is that every frame can do equally well in every content. We both know it's a blatant lie but that is the official line. As the burden of proof falls on you as you claimed that Saryn is for high level content please provide proof. you won't find any because it doesn't exists and it's something you completely made up. I tried reasoning with you, I really tried but you kind asked for it.

You are basically claiming that there are inferior frames for lower contents and I'm the butthole for asking  for balance? NUTS

 

PS: Learn the game,learn to kill stuff without press x to win

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hace 6 minutos, Olphalarepth dijo:

Wait, hold it. Who told you that Saryn is for high level content? Do you have confirmation from Steve or Scott? Maybe a tweet from Pablo? Just asking cause last time I checked the official statement is that every frame can do equally well in every content. We both know it's a blatant lie but that is the official line. As the burden of proof falls on you as you claimed that Saryn is for high level content please provide proof. you won't find any because it doesn't exists and it's something you completely made up. I tried reasoning with you, I really tried but you kind asked for it.

You are basically claiming that there are inferior frames for lower contents and I'm the butthole for asking  for balance? NUTS

EXPERIENCE say me that Saryn is for high-end content. And not because she oneshoots, and not because 4th skill what is more related to CC in high-end content and ofc viral proc. And also she is not the best for all high-end content. I dont bring she for index as I mentioned. What you have not done is experimented that, it seems.

With your answer you strip warframes of their roles.

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1 hour ago, str4dlin said:

Complete the phrase please. "I have been playing over 4 years and I ve not go out from casual content, my focus is to raise MR farming Hydron"

If you have been playing 4 years I cant belive you can't find difference between old and reworked Saryn, for example. Or we playing different games.

You ever tried to play she out from Hydron?

You have been playing 4 years I think you could give a more elaborated opinion if you have learn something about the game in the time. Or just walk around. 

Cry over cry.

I don't even know what you are responding to here. I said nothing about her old versus new kit. I have no idea why you think I'd use her for hydron. And I believe we've actually had an elaborate conversation on this matter so is your memory spotty or is something else happening here? 

Are you okay? 

43 minutes ago, str4dlin said:

Because content is going upwards. Wake up Tenno!

Balance is bring Atlas to life, not downgrade. And bring harder content. 

This is not a static game.

Define upward. 

Nobody said to downgrade Atlas. 

Did you misquote or something? 

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6 minutes ago, str4dlin said:

EXPERIENCE say me that Saryn is for high-end content. And not because she oneshoots, and not because 4th skill what is more related to CC in high-end content and ofc viral proc. And also she is not the best for all high-end content. I dont bring she for index as I mentioned. What you have not done is experimented that, it seems.

I'm sorry, does your experience trumps DE claims? It does? Well, guess Scott can simply go home and crack a cold one after handling you the keys for rework and game design.

Answer my previous post instead of calling your "experience" to the bar as witness

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To be honest, enjoy the ride. Saryns arent that common (aside from ESO), i would be quite happy to have a saryn on my team in a sortie beacuse it means i will get it done faster with.

 

sure might be slightly boring but question yourself: how often does this actually happens? Only time i see saryns are basically in ESO (equinox ironically does her job much better, yet everyone complains about saryn).

 

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I prefer to have nuke that kills everything than a Limbo that prevents anyone to kill things

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hace 16 minutos, Olphalarepth dijo:

I'm sorry, does your experience trumps DE claims? It does? Well, guess Scott can simply go home and crack a cold one after handling you the keys for rework and game design.

Answer my previous post instead of calling your "experience" to the bar as witness

I hope he has drink too many beers to listen how you bring a comment using it as literal in a game that has above 40 warframes with different behaviours and roles they have worked for. Let's play tetris with only square pieces please. much much more funny.

Probably he related that comment to say that they try to do every warframe can fill a spot for every content not every warframe is the best for that content like if they were solo. And related to coop gameplay where you can bring different configuration of warframes for the same purpose. You strip warframes from roles, I repeat.

I wish he answer.

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6 minutes ago, Tatann said:

I prefer to have nuke that kills everything than a Limbo that prevents anyone to kill things

Then lets fix both? 

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2 minutes ago, str4dlin said:

I hope he has drink too many beers to listen how you bring a comment using it as literal in a game that has above 40 warframes with different behaviours and roles they have worked for. Let's play tetris with only square pieces please. much much more funny.

Probably he related that comment to say that they try to do every warframe can fill a spot for every content not every warframe is the best for that content like if they were solo. And related to coop gameplay where you can bring different configuration of warframes for the same purpose. You strip warframes from roles, I repeat.

I wish he answer.

Lol, you are the one talking crap and now you're trying to blame me, who is crying now?. I only asked for proof. I told you we both know it was a lie but nobody at DE has ever claimed that there are frames built for high level content and others for lower. Obviously some frames are going to be better than other and the mere idea that they are all "equal" is nonsense. I'm being reasonable while you act all pissed like if you're some sort guru of the game.

Stop going ballistic and go look for proofs, I can wait.

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On 2019-08-02 at 7:08 PM, IceColdHawk said:

WEW, 250k? How did you manage that? Unless you mean 250k over a span of 3 minutes.

Uhm what??? 250K takes like 10 seconds to ramp up if you know what you are doing.

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4 minutes ago, makaloff95 said:

Uhm what??? 250K takes like 10 seconds to ramp up if you know what you are doing.

Yea no. It has a hard cap of 100k and you won't ever reach that cap.

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hace 10 minutos, Olphalarepth dijo:

Lol, you are the one talking crap and now you're trying to blame me, who is crying now?. I only asked for proof. I told you we both know it was a lie but nobody at DE has ever claimed that there are frames built for high level content and others for lower. Obviously some frames are going to be better than other and the mere idea that they are all "equal" is nonsense. I'm being reasonable while you act all pissed like if you're some sort guru of the game.

Stop going ballistic and go look for proofs, I can wait.

You got the proof If you open your game and play that content. Also where I mention she is the only? 

You came here when I try to explain that what you find ovepowered it isnt in terms of damage and it is because is the spot she fills in high-end content. That many other warframes using their skills to rush in low level and have different behaviour when they go high-end. And that what I ve found here is just people crying without sense or knowledge of what they saying. I can be also happy with a nekros or many others. But group configuration changes.

What part you dont  understand or I misspelled?

Edit: If you think I'm attacking you, it could be a language barrier. I just try to defend my arguments that I think are quite based and I am not talking about speaking. I'm not a guru but I do know the game quite a bit

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On 2019-08-02 at 5:13 PM, MrRixter said:

I'm a fairly new player and today I got matched with a Saryn at my sortie. It was the first time that I felt bored in the game. There was nothing for me to do, everything was dying instantly all over the map so I just went afk and made a cup of tea. Whats the point of me trying to improve my frames and get all the mods, arcanes etc, when a frame exists which can nuke the whole map with no effort at all? I apologise if I'm wrong but from what I saw was a Saryn barely even moving.

I feel quite deflated right now and confused on how something so broken is allowed to exist in the game. Bare in my mind I'm quite new so I'm not aware if there are other broken frames, its just this Saryn was the first one I saw.

Saryn is near useless in Arbitration or anything with nullifiers/drones really, the spore just gets cancelled on the mobs whenever they get nullified

also in Sortie most of the Saryn worthy missions either get Energy Drain or have nullifiers, which basically makes Saryn almost impossible to use effectively

whenever there is a Sortie where Saryn can actually do her job(no Corpus/Void enemies, no Energy Drain, no Elemental Resistance etc), I'd be very happy to take her in, because the opportunity to get the right conditions in a Sortie for Saryn isn't that high

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18 minutes ago, str4dlin said:

You got the proof If you open your game and play that content. Also where I mention she is the only? 

You came here when I try to explain that what you find ovepowered it isnt in terms of damage and it is because is the spot she fills in high-end content. That many other warframes using their skills to rush in low level and have different behaviour when they go high-end. And that what I ve found here is just people crying without sense or knowledge of what they saying. I can be also happy with a nekros or many others. But group configuration changes.

What part you dont  understand or I misspelled?

Still dodging huh? You got survivability too. When did I mention saryn is the only one? You would have noticed if you'd have bothered actually reading as it is something I clearly stated and implied several times in this thread only.

Your opinion is not a fact, kay? I don't care that you can run late defense using a nuking frame (such mad skillz). You keep avoiding the question citing your experience and game level as if the answer is going to appear on the screen. Use FACTS and numbers, opinions not good. I'm done with this thread anyway. I wrote plenty and in a reasonable way for anyone who doesn't need the easy way out excuse that are nuke frames. I soloed tridolon (only once to say the truth) and kill the profit taker orb almost on daily basis, I test my builds killing level 150 mobs in the simulacrum, I'm not a noob and don't need to justify myself to you. Keep running saryn as it seems to be the only thing you can do. Try to answer this as you have avoided to do so far

54 minutes ago, Olphalarepth said:

Wait, hold it. Who told you that Saryn is for high level content? Do you have confirmation from Steve or Scott? Maybe a tweet from Pablo? Just asking cause last time I checked the official statement is that every frame can do equally well in every content. We both know it's a blatant lie but that is the official line. As the burden of proof falls on you as you claimed that Saryn is for high level content please provide proof. you won't find any because it doesn't exists and it's something you completely made up. I tried reasoning with you, I really tried but you kind asked for it.

You are basically claiming that there are inferior frames for lower contents and I'm the butthole for asking  for balance? NUTS

 

PS: Learn the game,learn to kill stuff without press x to win

With your high dps and mad skills you should be able to tear this down in a moment, why you keep dodging bruh? TC, BB. Answering you serves no purposes as you have already shown your colors and "experience" (LOL, I enjoyed this a bit too much maybe. I'm sorry)

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hace 35 minutos, Olphalarepth dijo:

Still dodging huh? You got survivability too. When did I mention saryn is the only one? You would have noticed if you'd have bothered actually reading as it is something I clearly stated and implied several times in this thread only.

Your opinion is not a fact, kay? I don't care that you can run late defense and arbitration using a nuking frame (such mad skillz). You keep avoiding the question citing your experience and game level as if the answer is going to appear on the screen. Use FACTS and numbers, opinions not good. I'm done with this thread anyway. I wrote plenty and in a reasonable way for anyone who doesn't need the easy way out excuse that are nuke frames. I soloed tridolon (only once to say the truth) and kill the profit taker orb almost on daily basis, I test my builds killing level 150 mobs in the simulacrum, I'm not a noob and don't need to justify myself to you. Keep running saryn as it seems to be the only thing you can do. Try to answer this as you have avoided to do so far

With your high dps and mad skills you should be able to tear this down in a moment, why you keep dodging bruh? TC, BB. Answering you serves no purposes as you have already shown your colors and "experience" (LOL, I enjoyed this a bit too much maybe. I'm sorry)

At the end you shown what you are. Thanks.

Edited by str4dlin
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