The costs aren't even that bad, time acquisition wise

[kuciol]

40 minutes ago, Tsardova said:

1. You're feigning ignorance to an issue to allow the same mistake to be made in the future. You add nothing in the means of improving the situation in any sort of meaningful way,

2. Not having a time is not an excuse? So people who work real jobs who don't have the luxury of time because they have to pay bills and necessities and can't play shouldn't be able to play ergo entitled for asking DE to value their time that they're willing to invest in DE's mishap? Yet you claim "Somebody that works more should get more. Equality of outcome is socialist bs."? And you're saying people are entitled?

hy·poc·ri·sy

/həˈpäkrəsē/

noun

noun: hypocrisy; plural noun: hypocrisies

1. the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense. 

 

3. If you're not defending the mode itself then you're merely doing it for self grandeur without any logical reasoning. You had no motivation in helping in adding to helping better the situation due to your own ignorance and only wants in to act all high and mighty only to make yourself look like a condescending child. I've grinded the pearls to get all i want from the event, fact remains that the mode's implementation is severely lacking and needs major improvements in many aspects yet you assume I only voice my complaints due to me being a "demanding princess". 

Grow up.

4.Personal effort? The mode requires 0 effort to begin with. This on top of you mentioning multiple times that the rewards are useless just to say no one is missing out on anything? Try again.

5. You told OTHERS not to play.... multiple times at that. If you yourself have forgotten your own arguments then you're lost the argument from the start. Telling me to skip it if the effort is not worth [my] time alone IS you defining that others [should]not to play the mode. You're lost in your own argument there lad.

6. No, I'm asking for changes to how DE is implementing content. Evidently many have issues with it and it does need many improvements. Again, you yourself admitted to the rewards being useless, ergo there's no real "effort" to speak of here to begin with. You yourself admitted that afk players are an issue, ergo you would be aware that literally afk-ing the mode solo or otherwise (i.e. 0 effort) would "reward" us all the same so your argument of "putting effort to be rewarded" is simply a lie that you concocted in your head to make yourself look better than others when you're certainly not.

Time is a premium, anyone who has ever worked any length of time worth a dang understand that. The fact that there are working class people who would want to invest their time in this problematic mode already shows their support for DE, and all they ask is that DE learn to value their consumers' (their life/ income source) time just a little more. That's far from entitlement, that's communication from supplier and consumer, it's a learning cycle. Evidently you don't value others' time yet you have the audacity to call others as entitled. That's hypocrisy, no matter how you try to spin it.

You refuse to see the glaring issues at hand and only want to come off as this "wise" persona/ voice of reason only to make yourself out to be a condescending hypocrite.

 

1. Because i dont see it at mistake. 7 hours is hardly a grind if its once in a lifetime for items that are just cosmetic and non essential, you are impacted in no way by not having them

2. Not having a time is not an excuse because you are not the center of the world. You are not entitled to something just because you dont have time, money, will, anything. Working harder to get more in opposite to entitlement. Thats how it should be, always. If such concept offends you than you can check on a map were north korea is and move there.

3. I have some problems with the mode sure but none of them are tied to rewards which are the main point of this topic therefor im just calling you out on your greed. I will always oppose to making something to get easier because i believe that effort and not greed should be rewarded. 

4. Yes rewards are useless fluff, yes you do not miss out on anything essential to gameplay by not having them, you wont feel any difference with or without them thats why i feel ok to gate them in such way. Mode requires some effort that why you are here, because its to much for you. 

5. I told other multiple times to not play when they were crying that its not worth it, because thats true. If you feel like its not worth it then you do something that you feel is.

6. I have problem with people having unrealistic expectation (you can check out my post history) and wanting to minimize the effort because they feel entitled to rewards but dont want to do what is required. The actual problems i have : wonky hitboxes, bugs with arcanes unequiping, afkers, no point in getting a lot of points, personal effort not making a difference in final score. As you can see none of them are tied to rewards meanwhile you cry only about how much time you will have to spend to get them.

 

Like seriously 7h in whole lifespan of an event is such a big deal? Why you need everything now? Cant you just get half of things now and half later? It will come back you know and you will be able to get them. Im not refusing to see "glaring issues" because they are not issues in the first place but being OK with not getting everything is something so beyond your comprehension that you try to ridicule it. You poor little thing dont have time to play game but still want everything. Guess what? I wont have it either for the same reason but unlike you I understand that its how it should be. You dont deserve anything on principal of wanting so stop demanding a changes that will get you that thing.

Edited August 3, 2019 by kuciol

[Rogunz]

34 minutes ago, kuciol said:

Cant think of a single grind right? Did you ever put forma on a weapon? Did you farm harrow or Nidus? Did you farm Khora? How long did it take you to farm endo and credits for mods? This event takes 7 hours to farm everything and you wont have to do it ever again do you get it (unless they put something more next time but i doubt that because they didnt do such thing in other event). Again you dont have to get everything this time because it will come back and since it offers nothing but cosmetics you are not missing out on anything. The fact than nobody answered my very simple question proves my point perfectly. None of you can tell me why it is so important to get the rewards here and now and not just 1 thing and the rest with next iteration. 

You can passively rank up a forma'd weapon doing whatever you want in the game. If you don't want to engage with their modes and just want the warframe you can easily farm up enough plat to buy any one of them in under 7 hours. Endo and credits are both easy to farm and mods are cheap to rank up as long as you don't aim to max them out.

When I farmed Khora I had absolutely terrible luck and it took me 2 months of doing a couple runs pretty much every day. This grind feels worse than that does. While I was farming Khora I got millions of focus, a mountain or relics, lots of endo and mastered/formad tons of different warframes and weapons. The only thing you get from this event is some credits and your pearls.

39 minutes ago, kuciol said:

The fact than nobody answered my very simple question proves my point perfectly. None of you can tell me why it is so important to get the rewards here and now and not just 1 thing and the rest with next iteration. 

Because the event probably won't come back for at least a year, may never come back despite DE saying it will like tons of other things they have abandoned, and might have new things that you have to grind for the next time it comes back. If you are only getting 1 thing a year Warframe will probably be dead before you have everything.

[kuciol]

2 minutes ago, Rogunz said:

Because the event probably won't come back for at least a year, may never come back despite DE saying it will like tons of other things they have abandoned, and might have new things that you have to grind for the next time it comes back. If you are only getting 1 thing a year Warframe will probably be dead before you have everything.

We both know that a year without this sigil or colors will be the worst time in your life. So far every event that they said will come back , did.

 

3 minutes ago, Rogunz said:

You can passively rank up a forma'd weapon doing whatever you want in the game. If you don't want to engage with their modes and just want the warframe you can easily farm up enough plat to buy any one of them in under 7 hours. Endo and credits are both easy to farm and mods are cheap to rank up as long as you don't aim to max them out.

When I farmed Khora I had absolutely terrible luck and it took me 2 months of doing a couple runs pretty much every day. This grind feels worse than that does. While I was farming Khora I got millions of focus, a mountain or relics, lots of endo and mastered/formad tons of different warframes and weapons. The only thing you get from this event is some credits and your pearls.

Yet all of it is even more tedious and you want it or not you will have to do it one way or another while event rewards are skip-able. 

[(PSN)cdzbrbr]

14 hours ago, Sean said:

And you think how people resorting to that just to tolerate this is "fine"?

The fact that it is the way people are suggesting others to run it already means that the way it was all put together was a failure.

 

The Tactical Alert has been turned into something more similar to an actual Event, which is not something it can handle. It is ONE mode. Zero Variations.

This would have been a perfectly normal Tactical Alert, but a lot of unneeded grind was added on top of it.

The same can be said about your mind, you set it to desire rewards you don't need, the amount of passion you put into wanting something you'll barely make use of is as stupid as the grind, sounds pretty evenly balanced to me.

The rewards that affect gameplay only take 4 runs to get.

Mods are obtainable elsewhere.

Decorations usually cost plat and they are not even by far as cool as the ones here, which can be interacted with. Again, you don't need every variation of the ball, hell, the most neutral ball, the one more likely to please a larger audience, is also the cheapest one.

Just cut it, filling your orbiter with beach balls shouldn't be something  you get done easily.

[Rogunz]

Just now, kuciol said:

Yet all of it is even more tedious and you want it or not you will have to do it one way or another while event rewards are skip-able. 

You don't need any warframe and get absolutely nothing out of farming them but a handful of mastery points if you don't use them.

You don't need to forma any weapon since you can beat any content in the game without forma.

You don't need to max out mods since even halfway ranking them up is more than enough for any content and that costs basically nothing.

You don't need to do anything in warframe since the only goals are the ones you set.

 

If you do nothing but stick the floofs you get from this event in your ship you are getting way more out of them then you are out of any warframe/forma'd weapon/mod/ you don't use.

[kuciol]

Just now, Rogunz said:

You don't need any warframe and get absolutely nothing out of farming them but a handful of mastery points if you don't use them.

You don't need to forma any weapon since you can beat any content in the game without forma.

You don't need to max out mods since even halfway ranking them up is more than enough for any content and that costs basically nothing.

You don't need to do anything in warframe since the only goals are the ones you set.

 

If you do nothing but stick the floofs you get from this event in your ship you are getting way more out of them then you are out of any warframe/forma'd weapon/mod/ you don't use.

It is content that impacts gameplay while event rewards do not. Dont try to make it bigger deal then it really is, you know im correct. Cosmetics are just cosmetics and nothing more, they should be gated as DE pleases them to be. If there was a weapon gated like this? Sure, there could be a case made but it isnt. Well to be fair i would still be ok with it but wouldnt oppose puting that weapon elsewhere so you would be able to get it.

[Aldain]

It isn't that it is 6 hours of farming, it is 6 hours of farming for cosmetics that give nothing else.

I'd rather farm the 30k Cryotic (8.5 hours of Extraction) for a Sibear because at least then I'd bet getting Endo, Resources, Relics and even Credits in the meantime.

If I spent 8.5 hours running Dog Days I'd have nothing but the cosmetics out of it, not even pity Endo or even useless Salvage out of it.

Hell even the mods aren't worth it because at least Farming Arena/Kayla can drop some other things in the mission, you get nothing in Dog Days but the currency.

[Tsardova]

39 minutes ago, kuciol said:

1. Because i dont see it at mistake. 7 hours is hardly a grind if its once in a lifetime for items that are just cosmetic and non essential, you are impacted in no way by not having them

2. Not have a time is not an excuse because you are not the center of the world. You are not entitled to something just because you dont have time, money, will, anything. Working harder to get more in opposite to entitlement. Thats how it should be, always. If such concept offends you than you can check on a map were north korea is and move there.

3. I have some problems with the mode sure but none of them are tied to rewards which are the main point of this topic therefor im just calling you out on your greed. I will always oppose to making something to get easier because i believe that effort and not greed should be rewarded. 

4. Yes rewards are useless fluff, yes you do not miss out on anything essential to gameplay by not having them, you wont feel any difference with or without them thats why i feel ok to gate them in such way. Mode requires some effort that why you are here, because its to much for you. 

5. I told other multiple times to not play when they were crying that its not worth it, because thats true. If you feel like its not worth it then you do something that you feel is.

6. I have problem with people having unrealistic expectation (you can check out my post history) and wanting to minimize the effort because they feel entitled to rewards but dont want to do what is required. The actual problems i have : wonky hitboxes, bugs with arcanes unequiping, afkers, no point in getting a lot of points, personal effort not making a difference in final score. As you can see none of them are tied to rewards meanwhile you cry only about how much time you will have to spend to get them.

 

Like seriously 7h in whole lifespan of an event is such a big deal? Why you need everything now? Cant you just get half of things now and half later? It will come back you know and you will be able to get them. Im not refusing to see "glaring issues" because they are not issues in the first place but being OK with not getting everything is something so beyond your comprehension that you try to ridicule it. You poor little thing dont have time to play game but still want everything. Guess what? I wont have it either for the same reason but unlike you I understand that its how it should be. You dont deserve anything on principal of wanting so stop demanding a changes that will get you that thing.

1. I.e. you're being ignorant of the issue. That is literally you implying that it's not an issue to yourself ergo it shouldn't be an issue to everyone else when evidently many have taken issue with it. 7 hours is a bloody good time for anything worthwhile, again time is a premium and not everyone has the luxury for said time due to obligations and responsibilities. Just because you're blessed with such luxury and lack any sort of real responsibilities that you can take time for granted to the point of saying 7 hours is nothing doesn't mean said hours aren't worth more to others. Grow up.

Saying the rewards being non-essential only further weakens your argument as it implies the mode is pointless. Using it as if it's a valid argumentative defense as it will only show how lacking you are in a coherent logical argument on the matter, especially if you repeat it time and time again like a broken record.

2. Nobody claimed that I'm the center of the world, I merely stated that I have obligations and responsibilities to attend to ergo less time to invest in this game. The fact that I'm willing to support DE by playing this game with whatever time I have to spare only shows I'm willing to put the effort in getting the ingame progression no matter how menial. you kept imagining me as this entitled person when I've already stated that I've grinded out whatever I wanted from the mode but point still stands that I have issues with how the mode is implemented.

I have invested my time/ "effort" into this mode. You need to start reading and stop being a condescending privileged child.

 

You yourself stated "Working harder to get more in opposite to entitlement" (nice typo btw....), yet here I am working a real job, paying my bills, AND playing this game with whatever little time I have yet you kept calling me as entitled? When you yourself seem to lack an understanding in value of time?

With all due respect, fudge off mate.

And F.Y.I. your remark about North Korea's culture and how I should move there? That's borderline racist there kiddo.

 

3. Again, for the third bloody time, I HAVE GRINDED WHAT I WANTED FROM THE EVENT.  What greed is this that you concocted in your noggin? Just cause I wish DE to improve the mode in some ways means I'm greedy/ entitled? When you yourself admitted to AFK "grinding" being a thing?

The crux of your argument is that reward should only be given to those who put the effort yet you keep failing to see that it takes 0 effort whatsoever to gain these reward. 0 real participation, on top of you saying the rewards being useless..... Either you stop, take a deep breath, actually think your argument through, then make a sound logical argument, or you'll just be considered as pandering. Your choice... you're not making yourself seem any wiser, neither do you come across as intellectual at the pace you're going.

4. That is again, YOU feigning IGNORANCE on an apparent issue others have pointed out. You're literally saying the mode is pointless yet you keep defending it as if it's ok for DE to waste their time. You're far from adding adding anything constructive to the issue, you're exacerbating the problem.

5. And people have said if the mode is added yet there's no point to it then what in the bloody hell is the event for to begin with? THAT is the issue some have pointed out from your illogical argument. Your argument essentially implies that DE wasted their time with this event when they could've focused more on other substantial stuff like railjack. I.e. You yourself are admitting to the problem, you offer no valid defense for the mode as you have none to begin with. Ignorance does not translate to solution.

6. "I have problem with people having unrealistic expectation (you can check out my post history) and wanting to minimize the effort because they feel entitled to rewards but dont want to do what is required.".

Then that's YOUR problem, not ours. Most of us have real life obligations/ responsibilities yet we are still willing to support DE by playing this game. By that alone we already are putting more than enough effort yet you belittle it all the same saying we're greedy and entitled just because we value our time more than you as you're privileged to an abundant time/ lack of responsibilities. Yet you kept on acting like you're the wiser of us by saying you want to see effort being rewarded, not handed out.

You know how this comes off as? You being a childish privileged hypocrite who looks down on others only to make self gratification that you're the "wiser" party in this scenario when all you did has been feigning ignorance at the issue at hand and claim others are entitled without considering their circumstances. It's all "Me! Me! Me!" to you and everyone else is at fault just because you're lucky that you're privileged.

None of your "real issues with the mode" such as afkers, lag ergo wonky hit registration, etc adds to helping better the mode on a grander scheme. As you can see, you're merely trying to detract from the main issue while downplaying them by saying others are entitled.

 

 

 

It's not 7 hours in the span of the event, it's 7 hours of WASTED hours of minimal interactivity which rewards are lacking in gravitas worth motivating people. The actual effort to reward ratio is out of whack ergo people are voicing their complaints yet you scoff at them and act all high and mighty all the time without so much as bothering to actually digest others' valid argument.

 

Get off your high horse kid.

Edited August 3, 2019 by Tsardova

[kuciol]

12 minutes ago, Tsardova said:

1. I.e. you're being ignorant of the issue. That is literally you implying that it's not an issue to yourself ergo it shouldn't be an issue to everyone else when evidently many have taken issue with it. 7 hours is a bloody good time for anything worthwhile, again time is a premium and not everyone has the luxury for said time due to obligations and responsibilities. Just because you're blessed with such luxury and lack any sort of real responsibilities that you can take time for granted to the point of saying 7 hours is nothing doesn't mean said hours aren't worth more to others. Grow up.

Saying the rewards being non-essential only further weakens your argument as it implies the mode is pointless. Using it as if it's a valid argumentative defense as it will only show how lacking you are in a coherent logical argument on the matter, especially if you repeat it time and time again like a broken record.

2. Nobody claimed that I'm the center of the world, I merely stated that I have obligations and responsibilities to attend to ergo less time to invest in this game. The fact that I'm willing to support DE by playing this game with whatever time I have to spare only shows I'm willing to put the effort in getting the ingame progression no matter how menial. you kept imagining me as this entitled person when I've already stated that I've grinded out whatever I wanted from the mode but point still stands that I have issues with how the mode is implemented.

I have invested my time/ "effort" into this mode. You need to start reading and stop being a condescending privileged child.

 

You yourself stated "Working harder to get more in opposite to entitlement" (nice typo btw....), yet here I am working a real job, paying my bills, AND playing this game with whatever little time I have yet you kept calling me as entitled? When you yourself seem to lack an understanding in value of time?

With all due respect, fudge off mate.

And F.Y.I. your remark about North Korea's culture and how I should move there? That's borderline racist there kiddo.

 

3. Again, for the third bloody time, I HAVE GRINDED WHAT I WANTED FROM THE EVENT.  What greed is this that you concocted in your noggin? Just cause I wish DE to improve the mode in some ways means I'm greedy/ entitled? When you yourself admitted to AFK "grinding" being a thing?

The crux of your argument is that reward should only be given to those who put the effort yet you keep failing to see that it takes 0 effort whatsoever to gain these reward. 0 real participation, on top of you saying the rewards being useless..... Either you stop, take a deep breath, actually think your argument through, then make a sound logical argument, or you'll just be considered as pandering. Your choice... you're not making yourself seem any wiser, neither do you come across as intellectual at the pace you're going.

4. That is again, YOU feigning IGNORANCE on an apparent issue others have pointed out. You're literally saying the mode is pointless yet you keep defending it as if it's ok for DE to waste their time. You're far from adding adding anything constructive to the issue, you're exacerbating the problem.

5. And people have said if the mode is added yet there's no point to it then what in the bloody hell is the event for to begin with? THAT is the issue some have pointed out from your illogical argument. Your argument essentially implies that DE wasted their time with this event when they could've focused more on other substantial stuff like railjack. I.e. You yourself are admitting to the problem, you offer no valid defense for the mode as you have none to begin with. Ignorance does not translate to solution.

6. "I have problem with people having unrealistic expectation (you can check out my post history) and wanting to minimize the effort because they feel entitled to rewards but dont want to do what is required.".

Then that's YOUR problem, not ours. Most of us have real life obligations/ responsibilities yet we are still willing to support DE by playing this game. By that alone we already are putting more than enough effort yet you belittle it all the same saying we're greedy and entitled just because we value our time more than you as you're privileged to an abundant time/ lack of responsibilities. Yet you kept on acting like you're the wiser of us by saying you want to see effort being rewarded, not handed out.

You know how this comes off as? You being a childish privileged hypocrite who looks down on others only to make self gratification that you're the "wiser" party in this scenario when all you did has been feigning ignorance at the issue at hand and claim others are entitled without considering their circumstances. It's all "Me! Me! Me!" to you and everyone else is at fault just because you're lucky that you're privileged.

None of your "real issues with the mode" such as afkers, lag ergo wonky hit registration, etc adds to helping better the mode on a grander scheme. As you can see, you're merely trying to detract from the main issue while downplaying them by saying others are entitled.

 

 

 

It's not 7 hours in the span of the event, it's 7 hours of WASTED hours of minimal interactivity which rewards are lacking in gravitas worth motivating people. The actual effort to reward ratio is out of whack ergo people are voicing their complaints yet you scoff at them and act all high and mighty all the time without so much as bothering to actually digest others' valid argument.

 

Get off your high horse kid.

Again not having a time is not an excuse. Sorry but im not willing to make this so elaborate this time. You are not entitled to anything because you dont have time. If you feel like the mode is not worth your time then just skip it! Whats so hard to understand here. You seem to be adamant to the fact that its ok to have cosmetics gated by grindwall because they are non essential to gameplay in any way. Games shouldnt be changed on principal that you dont have time. I bet you are a single child because God knows you act like one. Your "apparent issues" are only in your head. You dont understand that its not supposed to be anything big, just silly mission to run with rewards that are supposed to be unrewarding and skippable. Get your lazy vet attitude out of here.

Edited August 3, 2019 by kuciol

[HugintheCrow]

Trolls be trolling.

Baits be baiting.

And I'm just sitting here, mast... wait a sec.

[DeathDweller]

The fun thing in most of these threads is that if you can take a look on most of the white knights' ingame profiles.Preaching about laziness to people who actually play their behinds off the game, oh the hypocrisy.Bet they are the same that would complain if the system would change to kills=pearls.

[Hawk_of_the_Reborn]

16 hours ago, (PS4)JaysInc_ said:

During the whole 10 days the event is active, you can essentially get all pod the rewards even if you have 1 hour of time to play WARFRAME each day the event is active.

And since everyone is spontaneously a mathematician I did somaae math my own.

p=nakak pearls

1800p- all mods

2200p- all floofs

750p- DD auxiliaries

100p- Beach colors

1000p- Captura

=

5850p total

4050p just for the new stuff

-----------

(Acquisition)

50p/5 min

600p/hr

-----------

(Total time)

240 hrs - 10 days

6.75hrs(4050p)~9.75hrs(5850p)

 

Soo let's say you have 12hr of free time, every day for the 10 days the event is active (8-10 hr of sleep... or whatever your sleep schedule is and the rest to do whatever) you have the whole day to no-life farm the items.

Alright, so let's say you have 2hrs of free time cuz work or life or whatever, you can still get it all reasonably in 3-5 days.

Hell, even if you have 1hr of free time you can still get all the rewards in 6-10 days the event is active.

 

So what am I saying with my 5th grade mathematics breakdown?

• It's not that bad
• You don't need to instantly get everything the 1st day it drops (huh???who would've thunk, also TL;DR)
• And you're probably not going to use that beach set captura as much as you're complaining about the price.

 

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This thread itself is as useless as the pearl price complaints

 

 

[kuciol]

3 minutes ago, Imbarator said:

The real irony is, he defended the flat 50-pearl-regardless-of-skill-or-result reward.

Except i didnt, hell i even pointed it as one of the problems in later post but that just shows how pointless it is to change mind of someone who reads what he wants to.

[Imbarator]

vor 4 Minuten schrieb kuciol:

Except i didnt, hell i even pointed it as one of the problems in later post but that just shows how pointless it is to change mind of someone who reads what he wants to.

If that is true (I can't find it on the fly), then I apologize, as I probably have mixed you up with someone else. My other points still stand tho 🙂

Edited August 3, 2019 by Imbarator

[kuciol]

3 minutes ago, Imbarator said:

If that is true (I can't find it on the fly), then I apologize, as I probably have mixed you up with someone else. My other points still stand tho 🙂

Here.

 

2 hours ago, kuciol said:

6. I have problem with people having unrealistic expectation (you can check out my post history) and wanting to minimize the effort because they feel entitled to rewards but dont want to do what is required. The actual problems i have : wonky hitboxes, bugs with arcanes unequiping, afkers, no point in getting a lot of points, personal effort not making a difference in final score. As you can see none of them are tied to rewards meanwhile you cry only about how much time you will have to spend to get them.

Im not against all changes, just the ones that will make it easier to get useless fluff because thats the only thing that can be annoying to get. I will never even in a milion years agree with changes made because "i dont have time" attitude. Those arguments made here are similar to choosing beggars, i want them but they are not THAT cool, they should have just give it because i play for a long time and i have rights! No you dont.

[Imbarator]

vor 3 Minuten schrieb kuciol:

Here.

 

Fair enough, my mistake then. Sorry.

 

Regarding your other point tho, this could be taken ad-absurdum and taken as defense even if DE requires you to get 10Million Pearl for one floof. "It's optional, you don't need it, yadda yadda."

There simply is a point, at wich grinding loses it's value. I farmed Ivara. I farmed Harrow. I farmed Octavia. I currently farm Mesa. And all that doesn't bother me much. I could change weapons and frames to keep the experience "fresh". Heck I played Dark Souls 3 about 25-30 times by now, not counting other soulsborne titles. What keeps me investes is how the game feels, how rewarding the experience in itself is. Do I get value in form of a gameplay experience by changing up things? Does changing up things keep me invested to go on playing it?

If the answer is yes, I keep playing, even if I already have the platinum trophy and there is no "reward" left for me to earn.

If the answer is no, then the game failed to give me the feeling that I spend my time well. And This event doesn't. For me, and many others. And yes, while that doesn't mean I am right, it is still valid criticism, because this game is made in order to give a good experience towards players, so they tend towards spending money on it. Guess what happens if more and more players don't feel like spending time on this is worth it?

I like a good challenge. I like showing off stuff that is hardly earned by undergoing challenge, and sometimes even grind. I enjoy working for rewards.

But it's not about the reward items - the way towards that goal has to be rewarding as well. Thats basically the groundworks of game design. Just adding stuff behind a grind barrier so I have "something to do" or just to have it at the end? I could play clicker games then. Or just take a second job - even if I'd hate it, i'd get something of more value out of it. Because as it is, games should never be "work only."

And before you write "Then just skip it!": If alot of people start skipping "content" DE provides, they will find themselves in a hassle sooner or later. So criticism is not only in our, but in their interest as well, and therefor, ultimately, in yours, as your ability to enjoy the game is deeply connected in DE's ability to sustain it.

Does that mean I like catering to "casuals"? No. Like I said, I like challenge. But doing literally the same thing over and over, without the ability to spice things up by changing warframes, weapons or anything? Thats not challenge. Thats keeping players occupied artificially, and there is really no difference between this mode and running in circles in your orbiter. (As long as you don't decide to afk this mission that is, wich in my opinion is the best way to "play" this event - by actually not playing it, making it even one level below clicker games.)

 

I really hope this clarifies my view on the whole topic a bit better. If you still can't get behind my reasoning, then I have to admit that I have reached the limits of my rethorical abilities. I really don't know how to lay down my thoughts more clear than that.

[Tsardova]

25 minutes ago, kuciol said:

Here.

 

Im not against all changes, just the ones that will make it easier to get useless fluff because thats the only thing that can be annoying to get. I will never even in a milion years agree with changes made because "i dont have time" attitude. Those arguments made here are similar to choosing beggars, i want them but they are not THAT cool, they should have just give it because i play for a long time and i have rights! No you dont.

That's your own presumption there kiddo. You kept calling other derogatory terms like beggars, entitled greedy kids, etc yet you fail to see that time to reward distribution is indeed the key problem here. Time is a premium, if (paying) customers feel like their time isn't valued by DE then there's no guarantee they'll feel motivated to continue supporting/ playing the game. And for a game like this, one which lives and dies from the goodwill of the loyal (paying) consumer then your arguments only jeopardizes the game's longevity.

 

That said, you kept on assuming people are whining cause they're entitled without even thinking for a second that the same group of people may contain individuals who have invested both time and monetary investment to the game for years. For you to call them as entitled after everything they've done for DE ergo game's longevity only paints you as a condescending presumptuous privileged child even further. Again, it's not begging/ whining, it's a mutual concept of respect between consumer and supplier/ creator. Grow up

 

You seem to cling to my argument of saying not everyone having the luxury of time yet you kept failing to mention/ acknowledge that I've mentioned multiple times that I've grinded the mode enough to get all that I wanted yet the pace still felt like a chore than a fun time. That in itself is the issue yet you kept on nitpicking things to justify your argument even though kept failing to see the real issue at hand.

 

I will never in a million years agree with blind [insert-color]knighting attitude made for self aggrandizing agenda while belittling others time and time again be considered a defense for glaring issue with the game which I have personally invested nearly thousands of hours and hundreds of dollars worth of monetary support for the devs in.

 

If you think calling others as greedy entitled beggars makes your argument valid while making outlandish presumptions then stop. No, you're not making any point aside from showing yourself more of a privileged child.

Edited August 3, 2019 by Tsardova

[kuciol]

3 minutes ago, Imbarator said:

Fair enough, my mistake then. Sorry.

 

Regarding your other point tho, this could be taken ad-absurdum and taken as defense even if DE requires you to get 10Million Pearl for one floof. "It's optional, you don't need it, yadda yadda."

There simply is a point, at wich grinding loses it's value. I farmed Ivara. I farmed Harrow. I farmed Octavia. I currently farm Mesa. And all that doesn't bother me much. I could change weapons and frames to keep the experience "fresh". Heck I played Dark Souls 3 about 25-30 times by now, not counting other soulsborne titles. What keeps me investes is how the game feels, how rewarding the experience in itself is. Do I get value in form of a gameplay experience by changing up things? Does changing up things keep me invested to go on playing it?

If the answer is yes, I keep playing, even if I already have the platinum trophy and there is no "reward" left for me to earn.

If the answer is no, then the game failed to give me the feeling that I spend my time well. And This event doesn't. For me, and many others. And yes, while that doesn't mean I am right, it is still valid criticism, because this game is made in order to give a good experience towards players, so they tend towards spending money on it. Guess what happens if more and more players don't feel like spending time on this is worth it?

I like a good challenge. I like showing off stuff that is hardly earned by undergoing challenge, and sometimes even grind. I enjoy working for rewards.

But it's not about the reward items - the way towards that goal has to be rewarding as well. Thats basically the groundworks of game design. Just adding stuff behind a grind barrier so I have "something to do" or just to have it at the end? I could play clicker games then. Or just take a second job - even if I'd hate it, i'd get something of more value out of it. Because as it is, games should never be "work only."

And before you write "Then just skip it!": If alot of people start skipping "content" DE provides, they will find themselves in a hassle sooner or later. So criticism is not only in our, but in their interest as well, and therefor, ultimately, in yours, as your ability to enjoy the game is deeply connected in DE's ability to sustain it.

Does that mean I like catering to "casuals"? No. Like I said, I like challenge. But doing literally the same thing over and over, without the ability to spice things up by changing warframes, weapons or anything? Thats not challenge. Thats keeping players occupied artificially, and there is really no difference between this mode and running in circles in your orbiter. (As long as you don't decide to afk this mission that is, wich in my opinion is the best way to "play" this event - by actually not playing it, making it even one level below clicker games.)

 

I really hope this clarifies my view on the whole topic a bit better. If you still can't get behind my reasoning, then I have to admit that I have reached the limits of my rethorical abilities. I really don't know how to lay down my thoughts more clear than that.

But you are making it hyperbolic as hell! Its not 1000 days like login reward weapons, its just 7 hours for the entire reward pool of an recurring event that we dont know how often will be repeated. Even if it will here next year then this 1 year without sigil or color pallete that has colors you already own will soak all fun out of your life? You are overreacting based only in irrational fear of not having something. I can get behind making it a bit more engaging (like i sugested making it more index like but based on how many players are in) but dont you make it far bigger deal then it is. In the end those are just cosmetics. Dont try to make it something it was never meant to be. It just some low effort, mid season skipable event, nothing major and shouldnt be. Thats said i think we wasted enough time on something we will never agree on.

[kuciol]

12 minutes ago, Tsardova said:

That's your own presumption there kiddo. You kept calling other derogatory terms like beggars, entitled greedy kids, etc yet you fail to see that time to reward distribution is indeed the key problem here. Time is a premium, if (paying) customers feel like their time isn't valued by DE then there's no guarantee they'll feel less motivated to continue supporting/ playing the game. And for a game like this, one which lives and dies from the goodwill of the loyal (paying) consumer then your arguments only jeopardizes the game's longevity.

 

That said, you kept on assuming people are whining cause they're entitled without even thinking for a second that the same group of people may contain individuals who have invested both time and monetary investment to the game for years. For you to call them as entitled after everything they've done for DE ergo game's longevity only paints you as a condescending presumptuous privileged child even further. Again, it's not begging/ whining, it's a mutual concept of respect between consumer and supplier/ creator. Grow up

 

You seem to cling to my argument of saying not everyone having the luxury of time yet you kept failing to mention/ acknowledge that I've mentioned multiple times that I've grinded the mode enough to get all that I wanted yet the pace still felt like a chore than a fun time. That in itself is the issue yet you kept on nitpicking things to justify your argument even though kept failing to see the real issue at hand.

 

I will never in a million years agree with blind [insert-color]knighting attitude made for self aggrandizing agenda while belittling others time and time again be considered a defense for glaring issue with the game which I have personally invested nearly thousands of hours and hundreds of dollars worth of monetary support for the devs in.

 

If you think calling others as greedy entitled beggars makes your argument valid while making outlandish presumptions then stop. No, you're not making any point aside from showing yourself more of a privileged child.

For you there is no hope. 

[Imbarator]

vor 4 Minuten schrieb kuciol:

But you are making it hyperbolic as hell! Its not 1000 days like login reward weapons, its just 7 hours for the entire reward pool of an recurring event that we dont know how often will be repeated. Even if it will here next year then this 1 year without sigil or color pallete that has colors you already own will soak all fun out of your life? You are overreacting based only in irrational fear of not having something. I can get behind making it a bit more engaging (like i sugested making it more index like but based on how many players are in) but dont you make it far bigger deal then it is. In the end those are just cosmetics. Dont try to make it something it was never meant to be. It just some low effort, mid season skipable event, nothing major and shouldnt be. Thats said i think we wasted enough time on something we will never agree on.

"You are overreacting"

No. you started overreacting by calling people names and insulting them for the criticism they provided.

"It just some low effort, mid season skipable event, nothing major and shouldnt be."

Exactly. Thats why it shouldn't be used as a grindwall to gate off content.

"Thats said i think we wasted enough time on something we will never agree on."

True. I will never understand how you went a totally different way with your opinion, being that be both view this event as something "low effort". Just stick with it being your opinion, and we are fine. But call me names and force your opinion down my throat, for else I am [insert insult here] - thats where I can't resist but opposing you.

 

And I know I am a hypocryte. I told myself not to respond anymore, but I just had to get this off my chest, after reading your latest replies. Because for me, and many others, my line of thinking as well as my reasoning is solid and I had hopes to make you see why. But as this continues, it seems like this won't happen.

[kuciol]

19 minutes ago, Imbarator said:

No. you started overreacting by calling people names and insulting them for the criticism they provided.

Thats what you can expect from me, i dont like sugarcoating, i speak exactly how i feel about things, if somebody gets offended by it? Well i dont care.

 

19 minutes ago, Imbarator said:

Exactly. Thats why it shouldn't be used as a grindwall to gate off content.

Thats kinda your opinion. Because the stuff thats get gated is inconsequential to gameplay it can. If there was a weapon hidden behind it, even mastery fodder or it was 1 time event i would agree.

19 minutes ago, Imbarator said:

True. I will never understand how you went a totally different way with your opinion, being that be both view this event as something "low effort". Just stick with it being your opinion, and we are fine. But call me names and force your opinion down my throat, for else I am [insert insult here] - thats where I can't resist but opposing you.

Its very simple. Im ok with not getting cosmetics and i feel like its ok for DE to gate those the way they please and you are not. You may not like the word or even find it offensive but it is simple greed. I could have said it differently but as i mentioned i dont like sugarcoating. 

Edited August 3, 2019 by kuciol

[Imbarator]

vor einer Stunde schrieb kuciol:

Thats what you can expect from me, i dont like sugarcoating, i speak exactly how i feel about things, if somebody gets offended by it? Well i dont care.

 

Thats kinda your opinion. Because the stuff thats get gated is inconsequential to gameplay it can. If there was a weapon hidden behind it, even mastery fodder or it was 1 time event i would agree.

Its very simple. Im ok with not getting cosmetics and i feel like its ok for DE to gate those the way they please and you are not. You may not like the word or even find it offensive but it is simple greed. I could have said it differently but as i mentioned i dont like sugarcoating. 

Being respectful doesn't equal sugarcoating. Insulting other based on assumptions? Disrespectful.

I prefer a good time with less rewards over a tedious time with good rewards. There is no greed in there. Heck, I play games for fun, not to be occupied for some hours only to have some virtual reward. If you are fine with it, k, nice. Personally, I have way too many other good games and hobbies that are worth my time much more. Even if they don't offer a reward. But hey, I guess I am greedy, eh?

 

And truth be told, I guess you think of yourself as this bold person, who isn't afraid to stand up for his opinion. But truth is, you come off as rather insecure, even desperate to score a "win" in a debate. Here, there is what I think without sugarcoating it.

[kuciol]

2 minutes ago, Imbarator said:

Being respectful doesn't equal sugarcoating. Insulting other based on assumptions? Disrespectful.

I prefer a good time with less rewards over a tedious time with good rewards. There is no greed in there. Heck, I play games for fun, not to be occupied for some hours only to have some virtual reward. If you are fine with it, k, nice. Personally, I have way too many other good games and hobbies that are worth my time much more. Even if they don't offer a reward. But hey, I guess I am greedy, eh?

 

And truth be told, I guess you think of yourself as this bold person, who isn't afraid to stand up for his opinion. But truth is, you come off as rather insecure, even desperate to score a "win" in a debate. Here, there is what I think without sugarcoating it.

You are entitled to that opinion  but my point still stands. If a reward and activity is not worth your time and doesnt impact you in any way you should just move on to something that is. 

[DeathDweller]

5 minutes ago, kuciol said:

You are entitled to that opinion  but my point still stands. If a reward and activity is not worth your time and doesnt impact you in any way you should just move on to something that is. 

Same goes for saying the same thing over and over on 3 pages

Edited August 3, 2019 by DeathDweller

[kuciol]

1 minute ago, DeathDweller said:

Same goes for saying the same thing over and over on 3 pages

That goes both ways you know.