MR locks for sorties

[WoodedSkate89]

I put a post similar to this a while ago, I'm just kinda getting sick of having MR5's and under MR10's popping up in sorties.

It got to the point where I gave up trying to do spy sorties public because I always have a MR5 with rhino taking vaults and failing miserably. And if they leave the vaults to us loki's and ivara's, then they are just getting carried and doing nothing.

Then when they go against higher level 80-100 or 60-80 enemies, they get destroyed have a max of 3% damage (usually down to them being matchmaked with MR 25's so it can be excused) but they die like every 2 seconds.

[FLSH_BNG]

So how about trying to help them out and give some pointers instead of crying about how a less experienced and less equipped player isn't instantly the best at content that's new to them.

[krc473]

1 minute ago, WoodedSkate89 said:

And if they leave the vaults to us loki's and ivara's, then they are just getting carried and doing nothing.

What about those of us that don’t require stealth frames to do the vaults? You could always explain to them how to do the vaults. 

2 minutes ago, WoodedSkate89 said:

I'm just kinda getting sick of having MR5's and under MR10's popping up in sorties

Well, good for you I guess? Sorties are locked to MR5 and higher, they need certain quests completed too. DE does not need to impose additional restrictions. How will someone test their build to be sure it works at Sortie level if they cannot partake? 

 

It is simple: Don’t run public if you have a problem with underprepared people wanting to do Sorties.

[KnossosTNC]

Live by public games, die by public games.

You have three choices: front up and carry them, recruitment chat, or go solo.

[Hawk_of_the_Reborn]

Or option C, none of the above and instead locking these behind a decent MR level. 

12 seems like a good number imo

[WoodedSkate89]

15 minutes ago, KnossosTNC said:

Live by public games, die by public games.

You have three choices: front up and carry them, recruitment chat, or go solo.

Ive been doing the last 2 recently as a result

[WoodedSkate89]

18 minutes ago, FLSH_BNG said:

So how about trying to help them out and give some pointers instead of crying about how a less experienced and less equipped player isn't instantly the best at content that's new to them.

what pointers can I give?

Mastery rank up so you can get better weapons/warframes so you don't die every 2 seconds.

I guess better mod usage but I can't really give help if the mods are either restricted to them or they just have awful weapons for frames

[WoodedSkate89]

16 minutes ago, Hawk_of_the_Reborn said:

Or option C, none of the above and instead locking these behind a decent MR level. 

12 seems like a good number imo

couldn't agree more

[Giantconch]

I see no benefit to raising the MR requirement on Sorties.

 

You'll just end up going from having MR 5 players with no idea what they're doing in the sortie, to MR 10-12 players, still having no idea what they're doing in the sorties.

 

At least with the really low rank you know what to expect, and can then do the "adopt-a-noob" thing and help them out to figure out better weapons and builds and what to aim for.

[KnossosTNC]

9 minutes ago, WoodedSkate89 said:

Ive been doing the last 2 recently as a result

Then what's the problem? If low-MR pugs want to keep smashing their faces into a brick wall, just let them.

MR is a bit arbitrary anyway, and not really a hard measure of competence. Better to vet your teammates yourself instead.

Edited August 4, 2019 by KnossosTNC

[WoodedSkate89]

Just now, Giantconch said:

I see no benefit to raising the MR requirement on Sorties.

 

You'll just end up going from having MR 5 players with no idea what they're doing in the sortie, to MR 10-12 players, still having no idea what they're doing in the sorties.

 

At least with the really low rank you know what to expect, and can then do the "adopt-a-noob" thing and help them out to figure out better weapons and builds and what to aim for.

MR10-12's have quite good knowledge and with the right frame and weapon builds they can be as good as a MR25. (e.g. A well modded out soma prime or ignis wraith with a mesa prime or saryn prime)

[WoodedSkate89]

1 minute ago, KnossosTNC said:

Then what's the problem? If low-MR pugs want keep smashing their faces into a brick wall, just let them.

MR is a bit arbitrary anyway, and not really a hard measure of competence. Better to vet your teammates yourself instead.

true. but its the best way to tell. But its just a lot of effort to find a full sortie squad for 3 times

[Nez-Kal]

4 minutes ago, WoodedSkate89 said:

MR10-12's have quite good knowledge and with the right frame and weapon builds they can be as good as a MR25. (e.g. A well modded out soma prime or ignis wraith with a mesa prime or saryn prime)

Pfft......I've done SEVERAL Kuva Siphons/Floods that put that obviously flawed opinion to rest. XD XD XD

[WoodedSkate89]

Just now, Tangent-Valley said:

Pfft......I've done SEVERAL Kuva Siphons/Floods that put that obviously flawed opinion to rest. XD XD XD

thats different

Most MR 10-12's havent went through the painful grind to get a decent amp

So I totally agree for kuva siphons and floods

But on sorties I think they could be OK.

[Nez-Kal]

Just now, WoodedSkate89 said:

thats different

Most MR 10-12's havent went through the painful grind to get a decent amp

So I totally agree for kuva siphons and floods

But on sorties I think they could be OK.

Oh my god, and you IMMEDIATELY prove your own lack of knowledge about the game by thinking that the only way to do well in a Kuva Siphon is to have a good amp!!!
You realized we had to play those things WITHOUT any Operator Amps when they came out, right? XD X'D XD

Guys, I think spouting your opinion on the Forums when you feel like you've been wronged in-game and want to vent your Frustrations should have an MR Lock. xD

[Giantconch]

Just now, WoodedSkate89 said:

MR10-12's have quite good knowledge and with the right frame and weapon builds they can be as good as a MR25. (e.g. A well modded out soma prime or ignis wraith with a mesa prime or saryn prime)

 

No. No they don't. You're trying to base game knowledge on an arbitrary mastery number and I tell you this right now, that is so horribly incorrect that it makes my eyes bleed, and your statement counters itself anyhow. If an MR 12 can be as good as an MR 25, then an MR 5 or 6 can be just as good as an MR 12 or 25. Its all about the person, and not the utterly pointless number beside their username.

 

With that said, how do you think the MR 12 got better? By just piddling around on low level stuff until magically one day they thought "hey time to git gud"

 

Because no. It was likely through being a lower MR, getting their face rolled on and possibly even through a sortie, then getting help from someone or reading on how to improve. Start locking away ... I'm hesitant to say "harder content" but theres little other good way to describe it other than "higher level"....what reason do they have to read on how the game works or to try harder? If they're constantly just rolling over things with zero difficulty why improve? This leads back to what I said where you're just going to end up with MR 10-12's with no idea what to do, thinking they're the greatest thing because they have that MR12 weapon thats modded like dog crap.

 

The MR requirement currently on sorties is fine as it is. I get it, you don't like having low rank players who dont know every mission, you don't want to recruit, you don't want to help these players. Basically this thread is "you dont want to ____" and thats that.

[WoodedSkate89]

4 minutes ago, Tangent-Valley said:

Oh my god, and you IMMEDIATELY prove your own lack of knowledge about the game by thinking that the only way to do well in a Kuva Siphon is to have a good amp!!!
You realized we had to play those things WITHOUT any Operator Amps when they came out, right? XD X'D XD

Guys, I think spouting your opinion on the Forums when you feel like you've been wronged in-game and want to vent your Frustrations should have an MR Lock. xD

Thats just one of the good things you need, 

2 words

Ignis wraith

+

Other good frames and weapons

Edited August 4, 2019 by WoodedSkate89

[WoodedSkate89]

3 minutes ago, Giantconch said:

If an MR 12 can be as good as an MR 25, then an MR 5 or 6 can be just as good as an MR 12 or 25.

no because they are locked for the weapons...

 

3 minutes ago, Giantconch said:

With that said, how do you think the MR 12 got better? By just piddling around on low level stuff until magically one day they thought "hey time to git gud"

No they just unlocked better weapons and mods 

At least that what I did

Edited August 4, 2019 by WoodedSkate89

[mitch1254]

Just now, WoodedSkate89 said:

no because they are locked for the weapons...

 

No they just unlocked better weapons and mods 

At least that what I did

I beg to differ, ive seen an MR6 appear in Sorties, Arbitration, 5x3 Eidolon hunts; and heard of them making their way to profit taker, the lack of weapons doesn't prove anything since any weapon with the right amount of work and effort can be made just as good as you're beloved ignis.

[WoodedSkate89]

4 minutes ago, Giantconch said:

The MR requirement currently on sorties is fine as it is.

MR5's against lvl 80-100 enemies. Yeah sure well done👏

 

4 minutes ago, Giantconch said:

I get it, you don't like having low rank players who dont know every mission, you don't want to recruit, you don't want to help these players. Basically this thread is "you dont want to ____" and thats that.

This is all just a lie

 

5 minutes ago, Giantconch said:

 you don't want to recruit

Never said that, just said sometimes its a lot of effort to do that and its nice to play public without MR 5's. Most of the time I do recruit

7 minutes ago, Giantconch said:

you don't want to help these players. Basically this thread is "you dont want to ____" and thats that.

Because they are awful.

And this thread is about MR locks for sorties. Read the title

[WoodedSkate89]

4 minutes ago, mitch1254 said:

I beg to differ, ive seen an MR6 appear in Sorties, Arbitration, 5x3 Eidolon hunts; and heard of them making their way to profit taker, the lack of weapons doesn't prove anything since any weapon with the right amount of work and effort can be made just as good as you're beloved ignis.

Thats very rare but I agree 

[Aldain]

Ah yes, the weekly MR restrictions thread, to save everyone time I shall sum up everything that will be "discussed" in the thread so we can all just go home and learn to knit or something.

"We need more MR restrictions, I'm sick of seeing MR7s in my public Tricaps/Leeching in ESO/Anywhere past Earth"

"...Why do you need a MR restriction on that, just make a squad or get a clan/friends and you won't need to deal with randoms"

"I shouldn't have to make a squad or friends or join a clan to do content with competent teammates"

"But MR isn't a good indicator of competency, anyone can farm affinity and build weapons/frames and level that up while afk"

"Shut up!"

"No you shut up!"

"No u!!"

"No u!!!"

Moderator: "Closing thread for failing to remain constructive."

Now where did I put those knitting needles...

Deja vu.

[mitch1254]

1 minute ago, WoodedSkate89 said:

Thats very rare but I agree 

So then why would a blanket ban on Low MR's be a good idea? that would just make it harder for newer players to get into the enjoyable mid-late game missions; while yes we should be teaching the lower MR's since DE's teaching methods are generally questionable, it doesn't mean locking them out of the content for another 5-8 MR's. It's just pushing the learning to a point where people are overly confident in their abilities and unwilling to learn or change until they realize that pressing 4 with mesa and setting their dpi to 16k isn't the way to do everything.

[mitch1254]

Just now, Aldain said:

Ah yes, the weekly MR restrictions thread, to save everyone time I shall sum up everything that will be "discussed" in the thread so we can all just go home and learn to knit or something.

"We need more MR restrictions, I'm sick of seeing MR7s in my public Tricaps/Leeching in ESO/Anywhere past Earth"

"...Why do you need a MR restriction on that, just make a squad or get a clan/friends and you won't need to deal with randoms"

"I shouldn't have to make a squad or friends or join a clan to do content with competent teammates"

"But MR isn't a good indicator of competency, anyone can farm affinity and build weapons/frames and level that up while afk"

"Shut up!"

"No you shut up!"

"No u!!"

"No u!!!"

Moderator: "Closing thread for failing to remain constructive."

Now where did I put those knitting needles...

Deja vu.

I think they're in the corner with the nyx rework; who knows though, no one goes there...

[Hawk_of_the_Reborn]

2 minutes ago, Aldain said:

 

Posts like this isn't helping either. 


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