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Make a riven for garuda's talons please

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Shaburanigud

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I just wish it counted as a viable weapon. Or at least and Exhaulted Weapon.

The difference is that the former could be used in melee only sorties. And you can equip it when doing mastery tests
The latter allows her to use her claws in Primary/Secondary only missions.

Right now she can neither use them for melee only sorties nor use them in primary/secondary sorties like other exhaulted weapons.

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Tiltskillet

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9 hours ago, BlachWolf said:

Im fully against rivens when it comes to any aspect of a frames kit, even khoras and atlas one.

But these are powerful abilities with some advantages over actual weapons including synergies with other abilities in the kit.

Garuda's claws are just mediocre, conventional weapons in every way, except that they are unnecessarily held back by restrictions normal weapons don't have.

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43 minutes ago, Tiltskillet said:

But these are powerful abilities with some advantages over actual weapons including synergies with other abilities in the kit.

Garuda's claws are just mediocre, conventional weapons in every way, except that they are unnecessarily held back by restrictions normal weapons don't have.

Then why not just buff them instead, that would be a better fix than introducing rivens for it.

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All this sounds good, but also what about making the initial stab of her 1 inherit the damage of the melee version with a guaranteed proc, along with the 10% max health added on? 

10 hours ago, BlachWolf said:

Im fully against rivens when it comes to any aspect of a frames kit, even khoras and atlas one.

Me too, never liked sacrificing a slot and a stat stick for an ability, you lose out on having 4 good weapon options for still having 3.

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Tiltskillet

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Just now, BlachWolf said:

Cause RNG isnt a good thing to have in a frames kit.

Well, I don't think it's a part of her kit  in any meaningful way, anymore than an alt helmet.  It's just an exclusive but unexceptional melee weapon that she (under the right conditions)  has access to.   Sure, unlike a helmet, it can kill things.  But no better than most and often worse than a bunch of other melee weapons, none of which she can access if she's using the talons.

 I guess  I'm just reacting to what  Garuda's actually got, which isn't connected to any ability, whereas you're more focused on what's ideaI.  I can definitely respect the argument that the weapon itself should be better and it should be integrated into her kit in some way and leave rivens out of it.  Especially given the stand you have about Gara, Khora, etcetera. 

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1 hour ago, Tiltskillet said:

Well, I don't think it's a part of her kit  in any meaningful way, anymore than an alt helmet.  It's just an exclusive but unexceptional melee weapon that she (under the right conditions)  has access to.   Sure, unlike a helmet, it can kill things.  But no better than most and often worse than a bunch of other melee weapons, none of which she can access if she's using the talons.

 I guess  I'm just reacting to what  Garuda's actually got, which isn't connected to any ability, whereas you're more focused on what's ideaI.  I can definitely respect the argument that the weapon itself should be better and it should be integrated into her kit in some way and leave rivens out of it.  Especially given the stand you have about Gara, Khora, etcetera. 

Basically, either way when it comes to melee I'd wait before making any suggestions since melee 3.0 still isnt finished.

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18 hours ago, Tiltskillet said:

Why not both? 😉

Because Rivens were only supposed to be something that brought underpowered things up to par, not increase the powercreep. 

If something is already balanced it shouldn't have a need for a Riven. 

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On 2019-08-07 at 2:23 AM, Tiltskillet said:

Would be nice.   I'd also like to be able to slot a lens in them.  And the sortie restrictions are silly.

And dang it, they should be crit weapons rather than status.

Guess this vestigial feature of Garuda kind of irks me. 😛

Use venka prime if u want crit.

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12 minutes ago, (PS4)big_eviljak said:

Use venka prime if u want crit.

Well, yeah, among a bunch of other weapons. It's just ironic that her inherent weapon is a slash dominant status weapon when arguably her signature ability is forcing slash procs en masse.

If it was a crit weapon it would have at least some small synergy with her 4.  And if it was puncture or puncture/slash based, it would be more than sufficiently differentiated from Venka.

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4 hours ago, DrBorris said:

Because Rivens were only supposed to be something that brought underpowered things up to par, not increase the powercreep. 

If something is already balanced it shouldn't have a need for a Riven. 

Given where a bunch of other frames and dozens of weapons are at, I think there's room to make the talons better and give it access to rivens without affecting power creep at all.

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11 minutes ago, Tiltskillet said:

Well, yeah, among a bunch of other weapons. It's just ironic that her inherent weapon is a slash dominant status weapon when arguably her signature ability is forcing slash procs en masse.

If it was a crit weapon it would have at least some small synergy with her 4.  And if it was puncture or puncture/slash based, it would be more than sufficiently differentiated from Venka.

Venka is a claw weapon however. Just as Talons are.

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2 hours ago, Tiltskillet said:

Given where a bunch of other frames and dozens of weapons are at, I think there's room to make the talons better and give it access to rivens without affecting power creep at all.

Warframes are not supposed to be a form of vertical progression, every Warframe is supposed to be on the same fighting level. Thus there is no need for Rivens, they should just be balanced.

This is a completely different situation from Weapons where they are a form of power progression, some weapons are intended/should be weaker/stronger at base. This is where Rivens come in to serve as an endgame progression where you can get some more horizontal progression by making bad weapons good.

 

Also for the love of god is it that hard to understand that some people want slot machines as far away as possible? There are so many downsides to Rivens, so many issues they have, and when you tie them to Warframes the 'pro' list for Rivens gets even shorter. This is literally just "I want bigger number because reasons". You don't need Rivens to make Talons good, they already are a quite good melee weapon given they are short range (iirc they have twice the range of Venka Prime). And range is a problem with the melee system at large, no Riven will turn Talons into a polearm or a heavy blade.

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