read this idea about rivens, or don't

[Sharkgoblin]

i'm gonna try to be clear and concise:

adding to the game the ability to definitively lock a riven:

with 10k kuva or a riven transmuter or with 10k endo you can permanently lock all the stats on a riven, doing that will prevent the riven to be affected by the riven disposition  changes, in exchange you will lose the ability to trade the riven with other players and also the ability to reroll the riven, the riven will become "definitive" and the  cephalon samodeous will congratulate with you

 for example, i have a miter riven with crit chance, crit damage and weapon recoil, despise miter being a status weapon, the stats on the riven allow me to make a viable hybrid build that can do some serious damage, but if this riven get nerfed then i can throw the whole build and the riven in the garbage bin

thanks for reading 

 

[Lazarow]

No that is game breaking. I am sure that when melee 3.0 comes Gram would get a heavy nerf to like 2/5 disposition now it has 5/5 so locking it you would have a broken riven for a very great weapon. This idea is horrible

[(PSN)Hikuro-93]

But that could still be abused. I can have a Groll, sell it for high amounts of plat, and then the seller locks it to use.

On other hand, if DE proceeds to a rework to the weapon itself the riven might be permanently ruined, with no chance to roll to adapt to the new stats.

I'd love this for some of my rivens, but th reason for the adjustments is powercreep. And this wouldn't really solve it, and I fear it'd even make it worse than it currently is.

[kuciol]

Another idea to make them even more broken then they are? No thanks. 

[Nibelhim]

55 minutes ago, Sharkgoblin said:

i'm gonna try to be clear and concise:

adding to the game the ability to definitively lock a riven:

with 10k kuva or a riven transmuter or with 10k endo you can permanently lock all the stats on a riven, doing that will prevent the riven to be affected by the riven disposition  changes, in exchange you will lose the ability to trade the riven with other players and also the ability to reroll the riven, the riven will become "definitive" and the  cephalon samodeous will congratulate with you

 for example, i have a miter riven with crit chance, crit damage and weapon recoil, despise miter being a status weapon, the stats on the riven allow me to make a viable hybrid build that can do some serious damage, but if this riven get nerfed then i can throw the whole build and the riven in the garbage bin

thanks for reading 

 

Not gonna happen. Lets say 1 day there is a new sniper that is released and lanka gets to disp 5 for some reason. Ppl will start rolloning things like 220 ms 200 dmg 200 crit chance negative status duration or something like that. It locks then turns out it was a bug. Now we have ppl who are permanently better because of a bug.

Or even if not a bug a prisma lanka comes out and makes it disp 1 again. 

 

[Sharkgoblin]

52 minutes ago, Lazarow said:

No that is game breaking. I am sure that when melee 3.0 comes Gram would get a heavy nerf to like 2/5 disposition now it has 5/5 so locking it you would have a broken riven for a very great weapon. This idea is horrible

gram prime is already game breaking even without a riven to be honest, and no riven will be better than condition overload blood rush

hell even without condition overload gram prime will smash everything with those slash crits

btw in the jupiter rework event i could nearly onehit lvl 500 vapos units with a dark dual swords with no riven, so trust me the op thing about melee is condition overload + blood rush

and maiming strike 

40 minutes ago, (PS4)Hikuro-93 said:

But that could still be abused. I can have a Groll, sell it for high amounts of plat, and then the seller locks it to use.

On other hand, if DE proceeds to a rework to the weapon itself the riven might be permanently ruined, with no chance to roll to adapt to the new stats.

I'd love this for some of my rivens, but th reason for the adjustments is powercreep. And this wouldn't really solve it, and I fear it'd even make it worse than it currently is.

i dont understand this powercreep thing, like who cares if everyone just spam slide attacks with atterax, who cares if everyone just uses catchmoon, i use my underpowered gear and im happy like that but if i roll a riven 20 times for said underpowered gear i like to use, maybe it would be fair that i can lock the stats so i can use it without worrying of nerfs. they nerfed my viper riven 2 times, it has barely decent crit and horrible status and its impact based but i like it because its confortable and fun to shoot. 

and if somebody spends a lot of plat on a riven why would be an abuse for him to lock his riven. maybe next patch his riven get buffed but he will not get the buff so its not abuse 

[Sharkgoblin]

22 minutes ago, Nibelhim said:

Not gonna happen. Lets say 1 day there is a new sniper that is released and lanka gets to disp 5 for some reason. Ppl will start rolloning things like 220 ms 200 dmg 200 crit chance negative status duration or something like that. It locks then turns out it was a bug. Now we have ppl who are permanently better because of a bug.

Or even if not a bug a prisma lanka comes out and makes it disp 1 again. 

 

but if that is a bug then de would fix the bug by pushing some script to reverts rivens to dispo 1 anyways right

Edited August 9, 2019 by Sharkgoblin

[Nibelhim]

53 minutes ago, Sharkgoblin said:

but if that is a bug then de would fix the bug by pushing some script to reverts rivens to dispo 1 anyways right

Then lets say we lock all the dispo 5s we find. Primed versions come out. Old players get a massive advantage over new players and there is no way the new players will ever be able to catch up.

[Velothed]

Oh god, please no. In my opinion Riven disposition changes should happen way more often.

[Sharkgoblin]

3 hours ago, Nibelhim said:

Then lets say we lock all the dispo 5s we find. Primed versions come out. Old players get a massive advantage over new players and there is no way the new players will ever be able to catch up.

well that makes sense...what about being able to lock rivens only if you have a determined amount of kills with that weapon, like if you have 30k kills with a weapon then you can lock rivens for it. i highly doubt people will start going around with underpowered stuff all the time just to be able to lock in powerful rivens on the eventuality of a better variant coming out. like twin vipers wraith is my most used secondary, i use it on daily basis from several months now but i have like 28k kills with it

3 hours ago, Vethalon said:

Oh god, please no. In my opinion Riven disposition changes should happen way more often.

i would agree with that if rivens were balanced around on how good the weapons performs...not on popularity 

Edited August 9, 2019 by Sharkgoblin

[(XBOX)Zweimander]

Sorry but rivens were advertized ad an ever changing thing and you shouldnt be able to get away from that. And even if you could their should be other stipulations like a much higher cost like 100K kuva, 100K endo and it becomes untradable. Even then I would not condone your idea because you opt in to the mods changing by unlocking them or buying them to begin with. It goes compmetely against what they were meant to be and was a quite silly sugestion...

Edited August 9, 2019 by (XB1)Zweimander

[Nibelhim]

1 hour ago, Sharkgoblin said:

well that makes sense...what about being able to lock rivens only if you have a determined amount of kills with that weapon, like if you have 30k kills with a weapon then you can lock rivens for it. i highly doubt people will start going around with underpowered stuff all the time just to be able to lock in powerful rivens on the eventuality of a better variant coming out. like twin vipers wraith is my most used secondary, i use it on daily basis from several months now but i have like 28k kills with it

i would agree with that if rivens were balanced around on how good the weapons performs...not on popularity 

Ppl do use disposition 5 weapons... its the entire point of the disposition system.

1 example, tysis. Disp 5. Rivens with it lets it stay good in arbitration survival till about 110 to 130 minutes. A lot of disp 1 weapons cant do that, for example ignis which is disp 1 for the easy clears. 

If tysis ever gets a buff and is locked, will it now be the weapon u use to fight eidolons because you got a riven for it from back in the day?

Disposition is to force you to play other weapons.

[(XBOX)Zweimander]

1 minute ago, Nibelhim said:

Ppl do use disposition 5 weapons... its the entire point of the disposition system.

1 example, tysis. Disp 5. Rivens with it lets it stay good in arbitration survival till about 110 to 130 minutes. A lot of disp 1 weapons cant do that, for example ignis which is disp 1 for the easy clears. 

If tysis ever gets a buff and is locked, will it now be the weapon u use to fight eidolons because you got a riven for it from back in the day?

Disposition is to force you to play other weapons.

For example I have a Dera Vandal and Flux rifle riven I like quite alot and it makes them viable up go level 165! I dont use them all the time but they certainly do compete with my meta weapons that lack rivens.

[Sharkgoblin]

49 minutes ago, (XB1)Zweimander said:

Sorry but rivens were advertized ad an ever changing thing and you shouldnt be able to get away from that. And even if you could their should be other stipulations like a much higher cost like 100K kuva, 100K endo and it becomes untradable. Even then I would not condone your idea because you opt in to the mods changing by unlocking them or buying them to begin with. It goes compmetely against what they were meant to be and was a quite silly sugestion...

so you saying that i deserve to get S#&$ on because i like a weapon and i decided to invest into it,  hell yes now i really feel compelled investing into another riven, also i wrote specifically in my post that locked rivens would be untradable

 

8 hours ago, Sharkgoblin said:

in exchange you will lose the ability to trade the riven with other players and also the ability to reroll the riven, the riven will become "definitive" and the  cephalon samodeous will congratulate with you

 

 

49 minutes ago, (XB1)Zweimander said:

Ppl do use disposition 5 weapons... its the entire point of the disposition system.

depends on the weapon 

55 minutes ago, Nibelhim said:

Disposition is to force you to play other weapons.

and thats plain wrong, im not going to buy a riven for a weapon i dont like just because its dispo is good

i use a weapon i like and then i decide if i want to get a riven for it  not the other way around, for example i started playing with ogris some time ago and after some suicides i "got gud" and started enjoying shooting groups of enemies with it so at 40k kills i decided to get a riven and i did and its a pretty nice riven, damage multi but i had to put a reload speed mod to alleviate the negative magazine size (3 rockets and 2.5 second reload is not very cool) and i dont want to see the stats changing in any way, either a nerf or buff. im satisfied and happy with that and i should be able to at least be able to keep my riven as it is. 

btw kohm rivens are locked forever at dispo 5 and rivened kohm is pretty much one of the strongest guns in the game

[(XBOX)Zweimander]

3 minutes ago, Sharkgoblin said:

so you saying that i deserve to get S#&$ on because i like a weapon and i decided to invest into it,  hell yes now i really feel compelled investing into another riven, also i wrote specifically in my post that locked rivens would be untradable

They are optional and you know they are going to change as they were always meant to. Subverting that is not how they were designed and by the simple act of being into rivens you have to accept they change.

Edited August 9, 2019 by (XB1)Zweimander

[Velothed]

33 minutes ago, Sharkgoblin said:

and thats plain wrong, im not going to buy a riven for a weapon i dont like just because its dispo is good

Or, you know, you could unvail Rivens and try them out and if you don't like the weapon even with a riven you can sell it to someone who likes to use it...

Sounds way more reasonable than on group of players unvailing rivens and even buying vailed rivens, transmuting or trashing unpopular ones, farming to get godly rolls and then selling them for huge amounts of money to poeple that simply want to make their overpowerd weapons even more ridicules.

The only thing I don't like about the Riven system, is the way in which some players interact with the system.

Of course, at the end of the day everyone can pretty much enjoy the content anyway they want, but when they ask for the system to be changed to fit more into their playstyle, I'm going to disagree.

Rivens with low disposition are still too powerfull in my opinion.

I have an Ignis Riven with +100% critchance and +86% critdamage, with disposition 0.55, that's absolutely stupid amounts of power in one mod on a weapon that really doesn't need a boost...

I'd also actually like it if they went back to Disposition only beeing effected by popularity, Rivens are a stupid way of balancing weapons imo, they can work quite well for making people pick up weapons they never thought about seriously using though.

You might just find a new favorite.

If Dispositions would change more often and went higher than 1.55 and lower than 0.5 the meta would constantly change, ergo there basically would be no meta, ergo you wouldn't see everyone using the same old loadouts...

Edit:

It of course depends on why you disliked the weapon in the first place, if it's the handling, ain't nothing gona change that of course, but with the huge amount of weapons we have I'm pretty sure most of them aren't used because they aren't strong enough.

Edited August 9, 2019 by Vethalon