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Ideas for a Riven rework

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3 hours ago, (PS4)the_awsome123 said:

There’s a few things that can be done about rivens to make them worth your time because right now there’s so much RNG the chances of you getting the roll you want are abysmal.

few ideas..

1. Be able to lock in a stat a positive or negative, 1 stat for every riven.

(you might roll negative impact on strun and want to lock that stat in)

how it would work: You roll the riven until you find the stat you want and lock it in and every roll afterwards will include it. The numbers will still change depending on number of positives but the stat will remain.

2. Being able to fuse rivens of the same kind into a better variation.

if you have four rivens if the same weapon- each with a locked in stat, you can fuse them all together for the best version. After this it becomes untradable.

This sounds power creep but in reality rivens arent needed at all to do any content in warframe. Rivens are just here to make weapons people like better. Since they aren’t needed there’s no reason for them not to be strong.

3. If nothing else, adjust kuva amounts to be reasonable for a riven.

3500 kuva for a 30 reroll, meanwhile a siphon gets you 600 and a flood 1200. Survival is 200 a tower. Without boosters it’s not worth farming. 

Amounts for all kuva payouts have to be tripled.

with all these ideas working together rivens and kuva farming would all be worth your time.

Any other ideas or scrutiny please share

Many of these ideas have been proposed countless times. 

On locking one single stats, all stats should be locked even after riven disposition change. If one single stats can be locked after each roll, god tier rivens we are seeing today will be increased by 100-1000 times. 

This sounds power creep but in reality rivens arent needed at all to do any content in warframe.“ 

Power creep through god tier Rivens is fine and a good thing but it shouldn’t come cheap or easy as you try to make them so. If god stats are so easily obtainable, the game will need to be totally rebalanced. 

Finally, if you are lazy to farm Kuva, just buy them from the market. It’s time or Plat. Nothing is free. 

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I'd settle on them removing that blasted fusion MacGuffin mechanic they added to get people to play with the eidolons. 

Just let me re-roll my sortie dissapointments that I went through all the trouble to unlock..... without having to sit through three time gated Eidolons. 

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Gotta say, the riven system would be better to have less RNG. Sure, there's gonna probably be power creep with the ability to increase your chances to get a roll you want, but at the same time, how much does that matter? We already have frames like Chroma and Rhino for damage buffing, so having a bit less RNG with getting a good roll would make the entire system more appealing, and if they added set values instead of weird, slightly off numbers like +106.3%, maybe have just a flat 100% or 75%, all balanced around their disposition. If anything, it'd make videos over rivens more plausible because you can more easily get your hands on a riven with identical stats. It'd also give more variety to QoL stats like reload speed or magazine capacity because you could get more stats on at the cost of a single slot, which could just be a flex slot.

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1 hour ago, (XB1)Thy Divinity said:

….or we can just kill the riven system.

Contact me in game to give me your Rivens. Problem solved. You do not need to get/trade/sell/roll any Rivens or interact with anything that you don't like. The rest of us enjoy it a lot. 

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1 hour ago, Slush_Magic said:

Gotta say, the riven system would be better to have less RNG. Sure, there's gonna probably be power creep with the ability to increase your chances to get a roll you want, but at the same time, how much does that matter? We already have frames like Chroma and Rhino for damage buffing, so having a bit less RNG with getting a good roll would make the entire system more appealing, and if they added set values instead of weird, slightly off numbers like +106.3%, maybe have just a flat 100% or 75%, all balanced around their disposition. If anything, it'd make videos over rivens more plausible because you can more easily get your hands on a riven with identical stats. It'd also give more variety to QoL stats like reload speed or magazine capacity because you could get more stats on at the cost of a single slot, which could just be a flex slot.

Some Rivens and their top stats/combination are highly valued because of its randomness. That's why it's "better" in its current stats than what you suggest. 

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19 minutes ago, George_PPS said:

Some Rivens and their top stats/combination are highly valued because of its randomness. That's why it's "better" in its current stats than what you suggest. 

Some riven are highly valued because a morning a streamer with a lot of views  wakes up and he decides that's weapon is meta.

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Not really a rework you're suggesting here, more like straight buffs to everything about the system.

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Remove them from the game, that will fix them.

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I just think Kuva costs for rerolling Rivens should cap at 3,000.

Other than that, I'm largely content with the system.

Paying extra Kuva to maintain a single statistic on a Riven sounds worth experimenting with, though.

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1. Make 1/5 and 2/5 dispo Rivens have only 1 positive and 1 negative, if that would be result of dispo change make bottom positive stat not taking effect but dont remove it in case of reverting dispo changes

2. Make 3-5 / 5 dispo Rivens have 1 positive, 1 negative and 1 flat increase stats to help even out weapons

3. New weapons should start always at 1/5 dispo

4. Disposition should be changed based more on power of the weapon.

5. After those changes make rolling easier by allowing to lock 1 stat on roll using endo, 5-10k endo per roll but stats will still be affected by disposition changes

 

Here. Power creep fixed, helps lower tier weapons like they were supposed to do, gives you a reason to use all that endo and doesnt remove rivens like i would prefer.

 

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2 hours ago, schilds said:

Remove them from the game, that will fix them.

Contact me in game to give me your Rivens. Problem solved. You do not need to get/trade/sell/roll any Rivens or interact with anything that you don't like. If you don't care certain items in game, why bother to even discuss?

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Just now, George_PPS said:

Contact me in game to give me your Rivens. Problem solved. You do not need to get/trade/sell/roll any Rivens or interact with anything that you don't like. If you don't care certain items in game, why bother to even discuss?

Rivens are worth as much as someone is willing to pay. They are worthless for him but you still should pay if you want them. Dont forget that you need to compete with others for them so dont even bother with "i will give you 1p" response. 

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2 hours ago, kuciol said:

Rivens are worth as much as someone is willing to pay. They are worthless for him but you still should pay if you want them. Dont forget that you need to compete with others for them so dont even bother with "i will give you 1p" response. 

So Rivens do have values, and you don't want Rivens to be removed from your inventory for nothing. Thank you for validating my point. 

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8 minutes ago, George_PPS said:

So Rivens do have values, and you don't want Rivens to be removed from your inventory for nothing. Thank you for validating my point. 

I want them removed but as long as they have value to others i want to take advantage of them. Handicapping yourself is the most ridiculous concept ever. Its there, you use it.

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Didn't DE Scott already confirm they would never allow locking in a stat for rivens? pretty sure this was discussed in a past dev stream.

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Rivens are worthless once they started tweaking dispositions anyways, it's just nerfbat all the weapons THAT PEOPLE STILL USE A TON like ignis, rubico, lanka, catchmoon, etc. etc. until they're on a meaningless level.  That being said, you have better odds playing a slot machine at a casino and winning money then you do of getting the roll you want on a riven if you want a true god roll riven like multishot, cc, cd, minus impact on a sicarus riven for example as the odds of rolling that very specific roll are 1 in millions.  Just spend plat to get that roll?  Yeah, if you can find someone selling that exact roll sure and then you're going to be paying an arm and a leg on any platform, but especially PC where plat inflation is rampant to the point that god roll rubico rivens on there sell for 30K+ plat despite being pretty garbage at this point after multiple rounds of nerfs to disposition.  

The idea that locking in stats would be 'too OP' is the single dumbest argument.  Your weapons, every single one of them, mean nothing without your warframe abilities if you're endurance running into the level 5K enemies.  On the starchart?  Levels 110 and lower since that is the highest level sortie enemy?  You don't need rivens for that content.  At all.  It's like using a nuclear bomb to take out an anthill.  People simply like to brag about how their oh so lovely tigris, plasmor, catchmoon, rubico, lanka, etc. etc. can 1 shot this, melt that in half a second, blah blah blah.  Yeah, you can really destroy those level 40 mobs with your godlike riven as well as with just about any properly modded weapon without a riven as long as the weapon itself isn't complete garbage like the hind or cronus.  Banshee makes rivens look like childs play when built properly for strength and range, it's like comparing the damage a rocket launcher does to that of a BB gun.  Is banshee getting nerfed?  Not that I've heard and banshee has been like this for years.  Saryn?  Again, makes rivens look awful because her spores are basically a machine gun attacking 20 people at once, which a gun cannot do.  Seem to keep buffing her as well.  

The REAL problem with rivens though, is that they won't let us lock in a single stat.  Make it untradeable once you lock in stats.  Boom.  Problem solved.  Don't care if it takes 500K kuva to lock in a single stat that will always be present there, at least then I'm rewarded for my time spent grinding the crap out of kuva survival and floods.  The problem as well is that rolling rivens simply costs too much, and boosters are required or you're actually just wasting your time as 200 per kuva tower in kuva survival means you have to stay there for almost 20 minutes to get ONE roll out of a riven that has been rolled 9+ times without a booster.  The reroll amounts should be lowered and capped at 2000 at most, or they should make the rewards scale over time.  People would kill to have a survival mode where the only rewards every 5 minutes was some quantity of kuva that went up each AABC rotation and was affected by boosters.  Or instead of shoving endo down endgame players throats on every node, make that endo reward kuva in some big quantity.  We all have these primed mods and things max rank and literally do not need more endo.  Have hundreds of thousands of it lying around collecting dust.  Same with sculptures.  

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I'd hate to say this but their rarity also makes for a toxic environment. I don't wanna be that guy but being unable to get someone else's roll makes for a toxic trading environment with people calling whatever garbage or treasure they have a "god roll" and being rude about anyone saying other wise. It affects the community in that you have those elitists who just say "get a riven" for whatever weapon someone says is garbage. They're meant to "breathe new life" into weapons sure, but making it an inconsistent mess that might leave you with garbage after several hours of grinding just isn't good for the game.

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14 hours ago, George_PPS said:

Contact me in game to give me your Rivens. Problem solved. You do not need to get/trade/sell/roll any Rivens or interact with anything that you don't like. The rest of us enjoy it a lot. 

No problem.

I'm sure DE can allow cross platform trading after the Winter Games get hosted in hell.  How much plat you got?

 

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1 hour ago, (XB1)Thy Divinity said:

No problem.

I'm sure DE can allow cross platform trading after the Winter Games get hosted in hell.  How much plat you got?

 

You deem Riven system trash for you. I will gladly receive them at no Plat to get the problem out of the window for you for free. 

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39 minutes ago, George_PPS said:

You deem Riven system trash for you. I will gladly receive them at no Plat to get the problem out of the window for you for free. 

I deem rivens a lazy band-aid in place of actual weapons balancing.  The amusing part is that when riven obsessed players conveniently neglect the rather obvious problem of rivens inevitably being nerfed, they come running to the forums blaming DE for their buyer's remorse.

 

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I'm in agreement with the 3rd point.

I think Kuva should be more accessible. It is the most important resource at this point.

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