Best loot frame?

[killerKronos23]

I don't need builds guides all my frames i know how to mod

So im starting the one of the most dreaded things in the game... farming mutagen mass for the hema research. 

but heres the thing i have all 3 "loot frames" khora, hydroid prime,and nekros prime......so whos the best loot frame for derelict survival?

 

[WoodedSkate89]

4 minutes ago, killerKronos23 said:

I don't need builds guides all my frames i know how to mod

So im starting the one of the most dreaded things in the game... farming mutagen mass for the hema research. 

but heres the thing i have all 3 "loot frames" khora, hydroid prime,and nekros prime......so whos the best loot frame for derelict survival?

 

Recruit a squad with all 3

I personally like pilfering hydroid the best for fun

But nekros prime is the best one to use

[Gibsonx]

Nekros, as he works when they die instead of having to touch them before death. Even tho the percentage is less than the other 2 he will be more consistent without a nidus camp squad

[actuallyVile]

Nekros Prime ftw.

[TheonlycatMC]

I would say to arrange a squad with all 3, preferably all clanmates, but if that is not possible, I would recommend despoil nekros, simply because he is the most consistent, and the health drain is negligible because of all the health orb drops.

[Lutesque]

All three of them.... they msy not stack anymore but you can still use them in a group together....

Special mention to Ivara.... if you increase her Range and Duration she can pick pocket some Mutagen Samples from live enemies.... its cumbersome but... what else are you gonna do.... ? 

[SnipaXKilla393]

On 2019-08-10 at 5:22 PM, WoodedSkate89 said:

Recruit a squad with all 3

I personally like pilfering hydroid the best for fun

But nekros prime is the best one to use

Hydroid does not synergize with Khora since they both require the enemies to be caught in the abilities; tho Nekros can synergize with one of the 2, since he only requires the enemies to die, and not with a heat proc

[AegidiusF]

If you are alone, you can use any of these three frames. I prefer Hydroid, specially after his rework, but the others work great too.

But as many others already said, the best is to do this farm with a complete squad on Steel Path (+100% resource drop chance bonus).

The most effective option, in my opinion, would be to have an Atlas, a Nekros, a Khora and a Hydroid.

Nekros with max range
Atlas with his 3rd Augment (Ore Gaze) and full power
Krora with high range
Hydroid with high range

Khora and Hydroid must not camp at the same place : they must be inside Nekros range, but too close, as their loot abilities do not stack.

Atlas loot bonus stacks with Khora, Hydroid and Nekros and he must only petrify enemies all around.
Nekros is there to make additionnal loot from the enemies killed by Khora and Hydroid.

If you have to choose between Khora+Nekros or Hydroid+Nekros, I'd recommend to take Khora+Nekros, because Strangledome can make Slash damage and cut corpses into parts : each part can give an additionnal loot.

I'd also recommend to take a Smeeta with you (all 4 squad members) : Charm always help (and they are no more talking about nerfing it - let's hope they've forgotten this 😇).

Just to remember how loot abilites stack :

• Loot while alive : Ivara
• Loot petrified : Atlas
• Loot on death : Wukong, Khora, Hydroid. Do not stack : an enemy can only be killed once, they can’t ‘die’ multiple times.
• Loot corpse : Nekros, Chesa kubrow

Each loot category can stack with a different category.

Edited April 30 by AegidiusF

[Defion]

Nekro's can loot 1 body twice and should be picked everytime if you want loots and plenty of it, fast and never ever use his 4th in a survival (just remember to use high slash dmg weapons only).

Other then that every frame works wonder with boosters.

Edited April 26 by Defion

[(XBOX)Player244024418]

21 hours ago, Defion said:

and never ever use his 4th in a survival

Hmm Nekros is pretty susceptible to damage so doing this in SP would probably not work out well. Maybe I'll try this as I have a resource booster right now.

[Zakkhar]

On 2024-04-26 at 5:27 PM, AegidiusF said:

Atlas can be replaced by Nova or Saryn, to make corpses desintegrate faster.

Making corpses desintegrate faster is counterproductive for Nekros as his ability has Internal Cd.

If I were to pick to pick out of all the frames I got probably Khora as she offers best KPM, while also providing Loot. All in all it is matter of personal preference and playstyle choice. I find the new reworked Hydroid too powerful for normal missions, I cant really stack anything because everything is dead. I use him specifically for Silver Grove farm (+Chesekrate). 2 Apothics usually render 5-6 mods.

But then again I wouldnt run Derelict Survival as I already mastered Octavia and have Octavia Prime, the relic farm is suboptimal and there are no unique mats drop.

Edited April 27 by Zakkhar

[(PSN)lhbuch]

Khora. You get loot when you kill and khora can get ridículos amounts of dmg. 

[PrideB4TheFall]

Braton prime (incarnon if it is available to you.) has exceptional slash for a primary. With Nekros, a good setup.

As mentioned range is key, get despoil augment for health drain rather than power drain.

Go with a booster, drop chance,  resource booster if possible.

Edited April 27 by PrideB4TheFall

[RLanzinger]

To @killerKronos23,

The very best is having two Nekros (as one is limited 3 corpses per sec : ie only 180/min, 900/5min) so modding for range or just run ^^

Having the whole team using SLA damage for multiplying each dead enemy in 2+ corpses.

Using a Speed Nova does not hurt much as corpses are still around but just non-visible.

In term of weapon, I often go Fluctus for it's SLA + Infinite punch through... I'm a big lazy one, yeah 😅

[Stormandreas]

Hydroid.

100% > 65% or 54% reroll.

Hydroid will 100% give you more loot every time, the trick is to ensure enemies are actually being pulled into the tentacle swarm and you are killing them in decent time.

Khoras Pilfering Strangledome might be easier to use, but has a lower loot drop chance. That's just a straight fact. 100% Loot drop chance is better than 65% any day.

Nekros re-rolls the chance to reroll the chance for a drop from a loot table at 54%. This means, the enemy could 1 mod, then, desecrate gives you a 54% for the loot table to then function again and maybe drop something else. There is absolutely a chance for nothing to drop at all with this ability, which includes the natural drop and the re-rolled drop.

Hydroid is the only one that will 100% garuntee drops from every single enemy, every single time.

[LeoLion817]

7 minutes ago, RLanzinger said:

Having the whole team using SLA damage for multiplying each dead enemy in 2+ corpses...

In term of weapon, I often go Fluctus for it's SLA + Infinite punch through... I'm a big lazy one, yeah 😅

I use Ripkas with Amalgam Ripkas True Steel. The 100% gore chance of the mod applies to your entire arsenal, giving all of your weapons, companions, and abilities the chance to dismember even if they aren't majority slash weapons

[RLanzinger]

Oh Great Founder @Stormandreas,

My problem with hydro-chan is he can loot what he ensnare and kill¹, with a team of 4 this ability cannot held 100% of enemies, 20-40% at best so

Hydroid : 20-40% of killed_when_ensnare x 100% of loot x 500 enemies = 100-200 loots

NecKos : 100% of kill x (1 + SLA.status.chance_20-75%) x 54% of loot x 500 enemies = 337-472 loots

Sadly, Gore-chan is doing a better job that Ecchi-chan, but their combo could be pretty efficient 🤩

 

(1) : Hotfix 17.0.4 The Pilfering Swarm Augment Mod will now generate drops for enemies that are slain being held by tentacles, not just dying from the tentacle’s appearing. In short, enemies don't need to be killed by the tentacles to have an added drop chance.

[Stormandreas]

On 2024-04-28 at 12:15 PM, RLanzinger said:

Oh Great Founder @Stormandreas,

My problem with hydro-chan is he can loot what he ensnare and kill¹, with a team of 4 this ability cannot held 100% of enemies, 20-40% at best so

Hydroid : 20-40% of killed_when_ensnare x 100% of loot x 500 enemies = 100-200 loots

NecKos : 100% of kill x (1 + SLA.status.chance_20-75%) x 54% of loot x 500 enemies = 337-472 loots

Sadly, Gore-chan is doing a better job that Ecchi-chan, but their combo could be pretty efficient 🤩

 

(1) : Hotfix 17.0.4 The Pilfering Swarm Augment Mod will now generate drops for enemies that are slain being held by tentacles, not just dying from the tentacle’s appearing. In short, enemies don't need to be killed by the tentacles to have an added drop chance.

You're making the assumtion that the enemies that Hydroid is killing aren't being caught by the tentacles when in a squad. This is a bad assumtion as you're assuming the team is not gearing towards looting and gathering the enemies to be caught in the tentacles.

This immediately invalidates your math as you're not taking into consideration all variables, such as squad loadouts and actual teamwork. Plus, you're not even looking at them solo either.
The assumtion is that all enemies are being killed in Nekros' range AND are being dismembered via slash weapons. You're giving Nekros a more ideal scenario and not Hydroid.

The easy solution is to just... wait till they are caught, and gun down the completely stationary held enemies. Job done. This is especially easy if you have a Nautilus and someone using Magus Anomoly. Not only that, if you're considering a team, you'd then take 2 nekros with you anyway to maximise loot.

[Venus-Venera]

nekros as said a thousand times. Best mobile loot warframe that is super easy to equip with max range + duration and super tank. I run with Octavia Ball and can even deff Obj in SP very well

[(XBOX)Player244024418]

On 2024-04-27 at 7:27 PM, LeoLion817 said:

I use Ripkas with Amalgam Ripkas True Steel

What's your build? I just ran a 35m SP void survival using nekros w ripkas. I have a riven w +235% cc. Using CO, BR, WW, etc and while ripkas worked pretty well id like to see a bit more damage. Saw a lot of severed bodies. Not sure if the other squad mates were getting additional slash.

Also, I don't feel like nekros really helped create more drops. I also had both a resource drop chance and resource booster. After 35m i wasn't impressed. I admit i never use loot frames bc they don't seem to do much.

[LeoLion817]

On 2024-04-29 at 9:50 PM, (XBOX)Player244024418 said:

What's your build? I just ran a 35m SP void survival using nekros w ripkas. I have a riven w +235% cc. Using CO, BR, WW, etc and while ripkas worked pretty well id like to see a bit more damage. Saw a lot of severed bodies. Not sure if the other squad mates were getting additional slash.

Also, I don't feel like nekros really helped create more drops. I also had both a resource drop chance and resource booster. After 35m i wasn't impressed. I admit i never use loot frames bc they don't seem to do much.

Sorry for the late response.

I modded simply, for damage and speed with a Life Strike to help offset the effects of Despoil. I would've used Healing Return, but since I focused on crit, I only have a 15% status chance, so Life Strike is much more reliable.

Its not great damage wise on Steel Path, but it gets the job done. On normal modes, its completely fine. When farming, I'm usually in a full squad, so that helps. As long as bodies are being dropped within 47m of me, I'm happy.

I personally have noticed increased drops with Nekros. That said, I believe that out of all of the increased drop rate abilities, his has the lowest percent chance