DarkBladeNemo Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 I am going to try and not rant about this I just want to know if anyone else is getting the same vibe as me. I have played Warframe in the past and stopped to only recently come back and I have been enjoying it very much. My only problem is that Mastery Rank kinda feels like it doesn't mean anything. Don't get me wrong I'm not struggling to level or anything like that, in less than a month I went up from iirc MR6 to MR16 almost MR17. What I do have an issue with is that it feel like all you do is build weapons or frames go to leveling map of choice for a few hours and boom your done. I have done Helene so much in the last 3-4 weeks that I can open an Orokin cell shop and sell them in bulk. It feels like the only reward you get for leveling Mastery Rank is the option of new weapons and probably Riven mods. Is that it? Is that all there is to it? Yeah I enjoy the new weapons I get access to every now and again and playing around with new frames but is that honestly all there is to it? Like no progression beyond the build, level and do mastery rank tests? Now I will mention I am not unhappy about the game it's just something feels off. It's like there is a core concept that is just not there and I'm not talking about endgame event though I have no idea what it is. I still have a ton of things to do and I still have a few more frames I need to get for my collection so I am occupied, I just felt that something doesn't feel right and that something is missing. Am I just looking too into it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lutesque Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, DarkBladeNemo said: Yeah I enjoy the new weapons I get access to every now and again and playing around with new frames but is that honestly all there is to it? Like no progression beyond the build, level and do mastery rank tests? Your Mastery Rank also increases your Void Trace Capacity, Standing Limit, Load Out Capacity and something else I can't remember right now... You essentially earn the privelage to grind harder.... YAY ? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenno76856 Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 You need MORE rewards for grinding? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sleepychewbacca Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 50 minutes ago, DarkBladeNemo said: Am I just looking too into it? Yes. But you're not wrong. Everyone is allowed (ikr, shocking) to have their own playstyle and opinion about what they want to do in Warframe. If you think MR16-17 is the best you can get, and there's no reason, then you're all good. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trst Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 (edited) Increasing your mastery also increases: initial mod capacity of all equipment, max spawn level in the Simulacrum, Void Trace cap, daily caps for Focus and Syndicates, and max Extractor count. In addition certain ranks are required for almost every quest, Relays, and Junctions which make far more equipment locked by mastery than initially apparent. Really there are a lot of things locked behind your MR but most players will never know where locked because they'll likely have bypassed the requirement before they even get to the content. Also it is the type of system where loading things at the highest ranks outright lock new and slower progressing players from them for extended periods of time so chances are we'll never have anything locked behind incredibly high ranks, except maybe mr30 but that's purely speculation. Edited August 12, 2019 by trst 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Yes-Man-Kablaam Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 you're really not intended to just go to a big leveling map and hydron your way through MR. it's more just encouragement to experiment with stuff. if you choose to just more or less make it unenjoyable by going to the same map and grinding it out over and over that's really on you. and yeah there's a lot of benefits for higher Mastery Rank trst I think got all of them 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormy505 Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 10 minutes ago, (PS4)Yes-Man-Kablaam said: you're really not intended to just go to a big leveling map and hydron your way through MR. it's more just encouragement to experiment with stuff. if you choose to just more or less make it unenjoyable by going to the same map and grinding it out over and over that's really on you. and yeah there's a lot of benefits for higher Mastery Rank trst I think got all of them In my experience. It made me want to experiment less. I would have min maxed a lot more weapons if it didn't reset the level each time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)R3N36AD3 Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 MR is basically just a spotlight for everybody to see how an MR27 failed your squad on a sortie spy mission using ivara/loki meta. True Story. Sadly. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkBladeNemo Posted August 12, 2019 Author Share Posted August 12, 2019 8 hours ago, (PS4)Yes-Man-Kablaam said: you're really not intended to just go to a big leveling map and hydron your way through MR. it's more just encouragement to experiment with stuff. if you choose to just more or less make it unenjoyable by going to the same map and grinding it out over and over that's really on you. and yeah there's a lot of benefits for higher Mastery Rank trst I think got all of them I honestly actually enjoy doing Helene for leveling. The mobs aren't too strong and I can still play around with new stuff. 9 hours ago, trst said: Increasing your mastery also increases: initial mod capacity of all equipment, max spawn level in the Simulacrum, Void Trace cap, daily caps for Focus and Syndicates, and max Extractor count. All that is fine and everything and I honestly don't mind the rewards I get even if it seems kinda meh. Though I do have to point out that Extractor count stops at 3 when you get to MR10. If you have I think Prime access you get one more and for having founder you get another for a max of 5 Extractors iirc. 9 hours ago, sleepychewbacca said: If you think MR16-17 is the best you can get, and there's no reason, then you're all good. I'm going all the way with Mastery Rank only because I want everything I can get my hands on. 9 hours ago, NigglesAU said: You need MORE rewards for grinding? I want it all... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)guzmantt1977 Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 11 hours ago, DarkBladeNemo said: Yeah I enjoy the new weapons I get access to every now and again and playing around with new frames but is that honestly all there is to it? Like no progression beyond the build, level and do mastery rank tests? Ever been on one of those all inclusive cruises? Man they got these buffets, with so many different things that you have no idea what to try first. What a lot of people do is make a first pass and take just a little bit of everything, then try it all. And man you never know what anyone is going to go nuts over. Then the next time they go up you'll see them come away with a huge heaping pile of the 2 or 3 things that they enjoyed. Warframe is kind of like that. Everyone likes different things. The best way to find out what we personally enjoy is to try all of the things. Once we have a better idea of what fits our personal style, we can forma the heck out of it, make it glorious, and then go paint the town red. MR encourages us to try to do just that. That's not so bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firetempest Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 I forget what MR I'm at, ~25ish. But having almost all mod points available to me after a forma is worth it alone. Yet they have to be wary about what it looks like if they make MR prerequisites and rewards past a point too rewarding, it takes a lot of items to just get to the current 27. It would just confirm the necessity for some people to farm specific nodes to get to a point they can "finally enjoy the game" because some youtuber said the must have and only weapon you need was at MR-x. Being a old ~6 year player and having the luxury of just keeping up casually is a different world than someone starting today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)tissot555 Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 10 hours ago, trst said: Increasing your mastery also increases: initial mod capacity of all equipment, max spawn level in the Simulacrum, Void Trace cap, daily caps for Focus and Syndicates, and max Extractor count. In addition certain ranks are required for almost every quest, Relays, and Junctions which make far more equipment locked by mastery than initially apparent. Really there are a lot of things locked behind your MR but most players will never know where locked because they'll likely have bypassed the requirement before they even get to the content. Also it is the type of system where loading things at the highest ranks outright lock new and slower progressing players from them for extended periods of time so chances are we'll never have anything locked behind incredibly high ranks, except maybe mr30 but that's purely speculation. What MR do you need in order to spawn level 160s in the simulacrum? Just curious. I'm at 17 now and the highest I can spawn is lvl 115 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bibmobello Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 Just now, (PS4)tissot555 said: What MR do you need in order to spawn level 160s in the simulacrum? Just curious. I'm at 17 now and the highest I can spawn is lvl 115 26 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Invisibleaxeman Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 (edited) It encourages lower MR players to try really hard to have better stats than you in the end mission screen. Edited August 12, 2019 by Invisibleaxeman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)FriendSharkey Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 It has more benefits than negatives...Don't let other games and the egomaniacs dictate elitism as the only beneficial reason to rank up...Maybe in those games it's a some mark of respect...but in Warframe it's just giving you more assistance overall across the board rather than anything to lord over another player and if you have to do that, one should rethink their lives on a very serious note...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Futarrari Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 Just dont become one of those mr24 scrubs who always need a mr12 or lower to keep them alive . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeutuoS Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 know what, WF is a hoarding game, at least to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkBladeNemo Posted August 12, 2019 Author Share Posted August 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, (XB1)Futarrari said: Just dont become one of those mr24 scrubs who always need a mr12 or lower to keep them alive . Nah, I got Frost Prime via Twitch when I started and he has been my main ever since. Playing him taught me several things and one of them is how to solo pretty much everything with a bubble and some cc from 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Futarrari Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, DarkBladeNemo said: Nah, I got Frost Prime via Twitch when I started and he has been my main ever since. Playing him taught me several things and one of them is how to solo pretty much everything with a bubble and some cc from 4. I think alot of people just rush through mr's without actually spending the time to build and forma their setups properly . You can still get most things even weapons that are mr locked if you buy them in a bundle and the mr lock on event weapons doesnt mean anything you can get those regardless of your mr .MR restrictions on things are more of a gameplay nuisance at times instead of a actual limiting factor so I wouldnt worry about it too much . Just build your setups right and go at your own pace . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Hyperion Rexx Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 I just got mr24 and can probably get to 25 just with the weapons I've yet to build. Beyond that I'm looking at having to do stuff like all the archwings and arch-weapons, k-drives, all the amps and moa's. All un-fun stuff I really don't want to level as I'd rather be having fun in the game. As a result I'll probably always be 3-4 ranks below max. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oreades Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 Essentially mastery rank is there to burn through a few extra hours so you can't just jump strait to "the good weapon" and never look back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crasharr Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 So, this is about mr meaning nothing? Think... I think, I've heard something similar before... Lemme go check the addic, have some old newspapers there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIREEK Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 MR asside from certain bonuses and gated content, it's an artificial method for players not to make to many dummy accounts for trading or being very ill prepared for certain things (make no mistake, you can still be ill prepared for sorties or arbitrations for example). MR is a number, this means in a game like warframe where the player picks his own objective (the game is a sandbox game afterall), you decide to raise MR if you want to, it's an objective given to players, it's an option, not a mandatory task. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkBladeNemo Posted August 12, 2019 Author Share Posted August 12, 2019 3 hours ago, Crasharr said: So, this is about mr meaning nothing? Think... I think, I've heard something similar before... Lemme go check the addic, have some old newspapers there... Don't get me wrong I'm not exactly complaining about it, I'm mainly just asking if anyone gets the same vibe from it. I basically see it as a lazy way to attempt some sort of progression system. You have vertical progression that you see in most MMO's, you level and get better gear. That is a never ending cycle. You have horizontal progression which you can see in something like Elder Scrolls Online. Power is determined by the sets you wear and can use said sets from the very start of the game (granted you have someone to help you make them). Then we have Warframe... Now with this it does have some sort of vertical progression but only until you hit a point and it becomes kinda horizontal progression. The reason I say that is mainly how power is obtained in Warframe and that is by a combination of weapons and mods. So essentially they are locking away the "vessel" for said mods via Mastery Rank but other than that mods are free game. That is what is so confusing you lock away an empty shell but there is no stopping someone from obtaining the core foundation to making something stronger. So with that they are attempting vertical progression with Mastery Rank and then dropping in Horizontal with the mods but then that goes out the window because armor scaling is done in the most obscene manner essentially tossing out any kind of progression presented before that. 3 hours ago, KIREEK said: MR asside from certain bonuses and gated content, it's an artificial method for players not to make to many dummy accounts for trading or being very ill prepared for certain things (make no mistake, you can still be ill prepared for sorties or arbitrations for example). MR is a number, this means in a game like warframe where the player picks his own objective (the game is a sandbox game afterall), you decide to raise MR if you want to, it's an objective given to players, it's an option, not a mandatory task. I completely understand that Mastery Rank is not mandatory beyond a certain rank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)ATreidezz Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, DarkBladeNemo said: I completely understand that Mastery Rank is not mandatory beyond a certain rank. Yet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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