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4 hours ago, Aldain said:

Likely something like "Oh crud, we have nothing that is releasing from now until Empyrean, better make more Disruption missions and put Gauss there to stall for time".

LoL... doubt it was that simple.... they have Lazier ways of stalling for time.... like Dog Days... 

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Loved everything I saw in the devstream. Hope mechanics will be kept this way until release and at most, only damage or stat numbers will be tweaked here and there... preferably more buffs to make it stronger. Heh

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19 minutes ago, Lutesque said:

LoL... doubt it was that simple.... they have Lazier ways of stalling for time.... like Dog Days... 

Actually a much easier explanation is if they release both together now, when it comes time to prime them, it's gonna be a bunch of people arguing over who should be primed first and some will say both should be primed at the same time.

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3 minutes ago, Xepthrichros said:

Actually a much easier explanation is if they release both together now, when it comes time to prime them, it's gonna be a bunch of people arguing over who should be primed first and some will say both should be primed at the same time.

That seems even less likely... :O

But I wouldn't rule it out....

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i'm going to be far to distracted rolling around then to actually do anything in missions physics base things really entertain me prolly build just for meatball so i can maximise rolling around like a blob and any progress or assistance i give to a mission will purely be accidental as im not paying attention to anything else other then make ball go and make ball eat things 

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Thinking about if Grendel can cast his other powers in Meatball mode, maybe they can help his mobility somehow.

Feast - still eats targets from a distance and barf out stomach contents.

Nourish - when cast, causes Grendelball to leap much higher than a basic jump.

Regurgitate - instead of launching the enemy, it launches Grendel in that direction. The enemy is still vomited out behind you. So basically he farts and rockets away.

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1 hour ago, seprent said:

i'm going to be far to distracted rolling around then to actually do anything in missions physics base things really entertain me prolly build just for meatball so i can maximise rolling around like a blob and any progress or assistance i give to a mission will purely be accidental as im not paying attention to anything else other then make ball go and make ball eat things 

far too distracted to punctuate too

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1 minute ago, Xepthrichros said:

far too distracted to punctuate too

eh it is the internet grammar takes a back seat and starts screaming 

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It would be nice if you could launch Grendel across the plains or even vallis with Gauss (or anything.) But I would imagine DE would prevent or highly reduce player-induced momentum for him. 

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Just now, More-L said:

It would be nice if you could launch Grendel across the plains or even vallis with Gauss (or anything.) But I would imagine DE would prevent or highly reduce player-induced momentum for him. 

well its the only thing i could think of what could be there synergy xD but i could be wrong

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If Grendel can be kicked with Gauss' powers, nothing really stops you from using Staticor instead...  early launch for Konzu

 

I mean I've always wondered where's that damn ceiling of the map located on the Plains.

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Some observations and rhetorical questions:

* Meatball and physics. I never thought these words could be together.

* Is using Grendel in his meatball form a possible way to revive Lunaro for the masses?

* I think I'm going to feel hungry, or at least think of food, every time I'll play with Grendel.

* Meatball seems like a very weak "ultimate" skill compared to some others, especially those room-cleaning ones.

* What would the offspring of the meatball and Octavia's resonator would look (and sound) like?

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13 hours ago, Zelmen said:

It’s one thing the want something and another to be on the verge of demanding it. Which is the tone that came across in the post. Reminded me of that gif and so I shared. 

That was a funny gif.

Also, I replied while upset and sleep deprived, I shouldn't do that, I overreacted.

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I don't like it ... frankly it ticks me off... 

So ... instead of the awesome Oni theme that was suggested a few months ago ... you made him a walking fat joke about eating, puking, farting and rolling ...

Wow ... great ... so much for the positivism shown around Hildryn.  Heavy guys can't get the same respect?  I mean the devs just laughed at him the whole time he was being shown

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DISCLAIMER: The contents of this letter consist of my personal opinions, experiences, and observations; I understand that not everyone in a similar position to myself will agree or feel the same way. But for those that do, I believe it’s important to speak up in regards to the following. For anyone intending to comment, please be respectful, as I’ve tried to extend the same courtesy here. Should anyone wish to contact me privately regarding this letter: my IGN is Orokinfolk, or you can reach me here on the forums. Thank you.
 
Dear Digital Extremes and the Warframe community;
 
I am a fat man. I am fat because, as a teenager, I developed a binge-eating disorder. My mother tells me I carry it well. I don’t feel like I do, and that daily struggle with my weight and appearance is one I’ve had to deal with for most of my adult life.
 
As a fat person, I am acutely aware of how fat people are represented in most media, be it movies, TV shows, or video games; more often than not, we are cast as jokes, or villains, or some incredibly unfortunate combination of the two.
 
So when Grendel was first teased, I was absolutely ecstatic. A fat, playable character presented in a positive and even badass light, in my favourite game of all time? What could be better?
 
It was already hinted from the beginning that the mouth on his belly would come into play, and so I was aware that he would have at least one ability that involved eating enemies. I also was aware of his inspirations: oni, the fierce demons in Japanese folklore, and sumo wrestlers, and as a passionate enthusiast for Japanese culture my excitement was only amplified by that news.
 
What I wasn’t quite expecting, in light of that, was that Grendel’s entire kit would be based around eating. I had been hoping for an interesting and diverse set of moves that would play on more than just devouring foes and spitting them back out. I had wondered if perhaps he would have skills inspired by wrestling, sumo or otherwise, and if any moves he had that involved eating would somehow play into his oni inspirations (because, yknow, they eat people!).
 
Mind you, I don’t assume in any sense that this was done with malicious intent-- I think you guys had a fun idea that you rolled with, without really digging too deep into the multi-layered implications that it would have. But the fact remains that, likely without conscious intention, you gave form to an age-old stereotype that crushed my hopes for this frame just a little bit, which then imposed upon me a slowly-digesting (pun not intended) disappointment.
 
This is not in any way meant to discredit or chastise what work you’ve done here; I think that Grendel’s kit looks like a blast to play as it is, and at the end of the day I am incredibly excited to try him out. But I do want you to consider, for the future if nothing else, how this may make some of your player base feel.
 
Society’s view of fat people has always been incredibly difficult for us. We face a unique brand of discrimination in most facets of our lives, and in essence we are not allowed to feel any semblance of comfortable with ourselves-- we are policed at every turn by people with no inclination for what our lives are like. And because we are made the butt of everyone’s jokes on the daily, I essentially braced myself when Grendel was teased for the flow of memes and people poking fun at him for whatever reason. I knew it was going to happen, and so I told myself to just take it with a grain of salt while appreciating that we got a fat warframe at all. It’s sad, to me, that I had to do that at all-- that I had to mentally prepare myself for what really should not be an inevitability, but unfortunately is.
 
During Devstream 130, there were many inquiries in Twitch chat along the lines of “can Grendel ride a K-drive? Can he bullet jump?” Of course, I assume these weren’t actually serious questions, because why would you release a warframe that can’t use the basic utilities like every single warframe that came before? And, to your credit, you handled it with grace before moving on. But the fact that these questions were even asked didn’t sit very well with me, such that a few hours after the stream ended I really had to sit down and process why.
 
Yes, Grendel is a heavy warframe. But so is Hildryn. And Rhino. And Atlas. To those of you who jokingly asked if Grendel’s weight would enable him to do what his comrades can do, did you ever ask the same about them? I’m going to go out on a limb here and assume that no, you did not. Because although they’re undoubtedly heavy frames, they’re not fat. And because they’re not fat, their capabilities are not called into question.
 
“Calm down, man,” you may be saying, “it was just jokes!”
My friends, I am all for jokes, but please understand: when you and people like you have been reduced to jokes for a good part of your lives, you start to get a little tired of hearing jokes made at the expense of our appearance. To even resolve to make this public was difficult, because I suspect I may just be written off as oversensitive by the majority. But even if this is never seen by DE, and even if it gets no traction among the community, I have to put it out there.
 
And no-- I don’t believe most of you are poking fun with the intention to be genuinely cruel, or because you absolutely hate Grendel and are looking to ruin someone’s day. I’m not coming forward with this in a confrontational or aggressive tone. And I’m not demanding that everyone stop joking around about him, because even if I were, I know the community wouldn’t anyway! I only want Warframe’s creators and community to examine these things from a different perspective so that, as we go into the future together, points like this can be considered.
 
Trust me, I know that in the world of media, you can’t make everyone happy. There’s always going to be people who find something they dislike about a game or a character. There’s always going to be people who like something that other people don’t, and vice versa.
 
Yes, I am somewhat disappointed that Grendel was not what I thought he was going to be. But I’m still very excited for his arrival and what the future may bring in terms of skins and such for him. I do hope that he won’t be the only fat warframe, and in the event that another comes along, I hope that Digital Extremes will give them a skillset that isn’t another unfortunate stereotype.
 
I love Warframe, its creators, and its community very much, and I look forward to seeing what’s next. And if you made it through this letter, props to you and thank you for hearing me out.

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I do agree that his kit seems to revolve too much around eating and puking... Really, 2 abilities are used to eat, and another to puke what we ate...

I mean, is it really needed to have an entire ability dedicated eating, and another one to vomiting?... There are so many possibilities, yet this frame's skillset looks a bit lazy (pun not intended).

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And here I was disappointed in his kit because his 1 seems like it 

  • Just deletes enemies, like a mobile undertow. Which I guess is kinda cool BUT also kinda super OP
  • Since his whole kit revolves around his 1 he doesn't seem like he would play well with others. By that I mean that he needs to be able to consume things before every other frame on the map yeets everything in sight. That kinda works for Nidus because Larva pulls everything for like three rooms right to Nidus. So right off the bat it sorta seems like you'd be fighting your whole team with no real ability that aids you in slurpin up things. 

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16 minutes ago, Orokinfolk said:

To those of you who jokingly asked if Grendel’s weight would enable him to do what his comrades can do, did you ever ask the same about them?

I was like: Are these people stupid? Why shouldn't he be able to? As we all (should) know

Rhino-in-The-Market-of-Warframe.jpg

"Rhino is the heaviest Warframe..."

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Me too, I hoped for somekind of "Sumo ability" ; just like Atlas got the Box-punch & Baruuk the martial art.
In his kit, only the " Kirby consumes" isn't my liking yet.

About your hope of an other "fat warframe"; I only can think of somekind of a "blob monster", which would play around the absorbing ability (somekind of an uncontrolled Nidus).

Here we got litteraly the Smought & Ornstein (from Dark Souls), with Gauss & Grendel :

Révélation

OrnsteinandSmough.png

I hope for later something less... humanoid  / foreseeable ?

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IMO Grendel is just based on the beowolf poem... with a bit of creative licensing.

In the poem grendel basically devours his enemies so that he 'has his fill' and tbh it was obvious from the first showing that he was going to be based around 'eating stuff', he had a 'mouth' for a belly...

Do I think that he should throw them back up again... probably not in all honesty as it does run a little close to bulimia etc.  I'd maybe argue they ran out of ideas with this bit but then I remember that DE seemed to enjoy (imo tacky) 'butt jokes' in most devstreams.....

EDIT: no idea why he has sumo stances for his animations, apart from being 'fat' he has nothing even remotely sumo like in his design...

 

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