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At the very least the bullet jump question can be justified very easily (the K-drive not so).  The others are heavy because they are strong, not because they are fat.  Strength comes from muscle so if the cause of their weight also means they are stronger then it makes sense that they would be able to propel their weight.

Also it's a dangerous precedent to say 'if you're fat, don't worry about it.'  Fat (for 99.9999% of people, and yes I pulled that stat out of my ass) is not healthy, and unless you have a legitimate reason for being fat that isn't 'oh it's hard and requires effort to lose weight' (as you do if you truly do have a disorder) then being told you are unhealthy is a good thing.  I don't like where this society is going in terms of saying basically anything other than being a Nazi is alright.  There are some things that should be okay to be 'shamed for'.  For context I would consider myself overweight and when it comes to physical health I know it's not alright.

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22 minutes ago, GnarlsDarkley said:

I was like: Are these people stupid? Why shouldn't he be able to? As we all (should) know

Rhino-in-The-Market-of-Warframe.jpg

"Rhino is the heaviest Warframe..."

Muscle is denser than... what's probably Grendel's massive empty oral cavity in the torso. tl;dr Muscle is the densest or second-densest tissue-type in an animal's body.

But yeah, don't be an arse to fat ppl.

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1 minute ago, evilChair said:

Muscle is denser than...

Density of fat tissue: 0.94g/cm³

Density of muscle tissue: 1.05 g/cm³

 

People tend to exaggerate. It's not so much of a difference that it really matters.

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Just now, Circle_of_Psi said:

Am I the only person who has noticed that the effects of his 1st looks like "I don't feel good Mr.Stark"

was mentioned on the devstream by steve.

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Also worth noting I posted this on Reddit as well and I'm getting ripped apart. Glad the official forums are less hostile.

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2 minutes ago, GnarlsDarkley said:

Density of fat tissue: 0.94g/cm³

Density of muscle tissue: 1.05 g/cm³

 

People tend to exaggerate. It's not so much of a difference that it really matters.

the 1.1g*cm^-3 difference across the 1g*cm^-3 threshold is the difference between floating and drowning.

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I was honestly they would be more creative. Sure eating and launching enemies is fun, but just seemed too obvious. I was expecting more along the lines of consume enemies for strength and energy, somewhat similar too Nidus, instead of that, we lose energy from trying to eat too many enemies. Maybe instead of draining energy, we use one enemy per cast, and consume them with our Infinity Stomach? And Meatball? Why do we want to be a ball that would probably get kicked all over the place by other frames? Is that the synergy with Gauss? Overall, the frame seems to much "for fun" and too much of a joke. I was hoping for something more Oni like, not cheap Kirby.

His signature melee weapon better have a decent bonus when he uses it.

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The Reddit thread just looks realistic. I don't see the hostility, did I miss something.

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Just now, evilChair said:

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That's correct, but won't explain why Grendel shouldn't be able to use K-Drives and such. It would only explain if he will be able to not drown in water like all the other frames :crylaugh:

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Grendel to me seems really goofy (in a good way), and I appreciate DE trying something new. It's just a character in a game though.

2 minutes ago, Orokinfolk said:

Also worth noting I posted this on Reddit as well and I'm getting ripped apart. Glad the official forums are less hostile.

I saw the Reddit post and I would just say people are giving more responses that are just realistic and not trying to be rude or hostile.

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Well, the way I see this is as follows:

  • Do I think his kit could've been made better? Absolutely, I'd argue his 1 and 3 could be put together, that on itself is a huge bonus and enables for yet another ability. Maybe make him spawn mouths from the ground that will heal nearby allies in a very short radius, or a longer radius but a target cap (although Rhino Stomp exists).
  • Is his kit offensive, damaging stereotype wise? I don't think so, not at all. His kit really reminds you of basically Kirby in warframe combined with a Rathuum roller, which I think is great but LOOKS lackluster, I'm not complaining either way, it's creative and something new.
  • Eating isn't exactly a stereotype of fat people, it's a fact. Those that cannot avoid getting fatter are actually a minority in the group, most CAN and SHOULD avoid reaching overweight or obesity. I think you're taking this too personally, and it's just a videogame character and people being people, because you cannot avoid someone making jokes, especially on the internet. Remember: Offense is taken, not given.
14 minutes ago, Circle_of_Psi said:

Am I the only person who has noticed that the effects of his 1st looks like "I don't feel good Mr.Stark"

There's a dwarf Thanos with an infinity gauntlet inside his belly.

8 minutes ago, TaurusDeRoma said:

His signature melee weapon better have a decent bonus when he uses it.

I'd honestly love to see either a blast radius increase, or a throw mechanic that would consume enemies on kill, making the melee stronger.

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The abilities sound like they were thought up by a couple of elementary school kids. What do they have to do with Grendel, absolutely nothing.

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12 hours ago, DrivaMain said:

Don’t like him? Don’t play him, simple as that.

Then again you are likely trolling so I won’t respond further.

I hope DE keeps “Grendel’s Space Program” with his 3 when he goes live.

Oh, I am dead serious.

I won't play him. But that doesn't change the fact that I don't see any reason for this guy to exist.

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They literally said he would be the devourer frame. That he was going to eat enemies. This has been known since day one of his reveal.

And only a few of his abilites should be revised. He kind of lacks some diversity outside of just eating and throwing up. And I’d like to see more done with his theme by the time we see him again.

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Just now, IceColdHawk said:

I hope you're aware that this is nothing more but a fictional video game figure, right?

Yes but im pointing out it maybe offensive to some hence the other post.

 

6 minutes ago, (XB1)GearsMatrix301 said:

They literally said he would be the devourer frame. That he was going to eat enemies. This has been known since day one of his reveal.

i may have missed that part   

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If you're gonna support the other guy's nonsense, at least make some new points. You made the exact same points he made. 

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Everything is offense now.

You don’t even bother yourself to come up with a new theme before complaining.

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Your own self-confidence issues are causing you to see the cosmetic negatives of Grendel far more than the positives. Warframes are meant to be easily distinguishable and have gimmicks. Other games with large casts make their characters have different voices or make them different races and species.They usually have a theme like "Cowboy" or "Scientist". But everybody in Warframe is just a android/robot person with a modern-art-esque vibe which is barely tied to real life concepts. So when I say "the fat guy who eats people" and you know exactly who I'm talking about, that's actually an accomplishment. Not a single warframe has ever been some real-life empowering figure. Equinox could have been a trans icon in the game. Nezha could have been a gay icon. Hildryn could have been a lesbian icon. Actually, they try very hard to make you not associate the frames with those concepts. Because warframes aren't people, they are just parodies of a single concept. Instead, they make the characters play to their barely existent "personalities". Equinox is Equinox. Nezha is Nezha. Hildryn is Hildryn. And Grendel is Grendel. The big fat monster who eats people. You =/= Grendel. If you happen to be fat in real life, cool. But you're not eating people. You're just a normal person living their life like the rest of us. Let Grendel be a parody of a fat monster that eats things. If you feel empowered playing a fat frame, then cool. If someone makes fun of you for playing a fat frame, then they are actually more insecure than you are because they are literally bothered enough by 1s and 0s to insult the actual human behind them. Let them be miserable idiots and keep on having fun playing the fat monster that eats people. Fat haters let fat people live rent free in their head everyday. Don't let them live in yours.

Let me say one more time. You aren't Grendel. You aren't the fat people the media makes fun of. You aren't the butt of anybodies joke. You are another person trying to live their life the best that they can. I really hope that you're able to gain the self confidence that you deserve. If you don't feel comfortable playing a character like Grendel in his current state, I perfectly understand. But I hope one day you stop seeing yourself in these media caricatures of fat people, and start seeing them as silly jokes, many times cosigned by fat people themselves.

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3 hours ago, Umbriellan said:

Me too, I hoped for somekind of "Sumo ability" ; just like Atlas got the Box-punch & Baruuk the martial art.

Another exalted melee.... BORING. Hard pass.

(I like exalted melee, but I don't want ANOTHER ONE)

Current eating mechanic is much superior. 

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il y a 51 minutes, Xepthrichros a dit :

Another exalted melee....

I wonder where you read the work "exalted" in my post ; I find that an ability that you could link to a martial art would have been better than the current 3rd ability.

To put in simple words: I wanted something like Wyzen (Asura's wrath), or Smough the Executionner (Dark Souls), instead of Gluttony (FMA), or Kirby.

-but now that's already done, we only have to wait & test it to see how well this warframe will insert itself in the solo/squad gameplay.

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