Lanka Questions

[(PSN)dtdionne]

First - Non-chroma riven choice...

CC/CD?

or

Dmg/Multishot?

If you had to pick between the two?

Second - Argon Scope vs. Vile Acceleration?

 

[hellodownthere]

CC / CD imo since once it gets over 100% your damage is effectively increased by however high your crit damage is.

[(PSN)dtdionne]

That’s what I thought too, but unless you can get close to 200% (which is insanely difficult), I think cc, beyond point strike is a waste.

need to test it.

[(XBOX)SupremeMorph]

Generally, CC/CD is a better choice for damage. If it gets you to over 100% without point strike then that's a free mod slot

[NeutuoS]

For non-Chroma, Its Dmg / MS /CD
For Chroma, Its MS / CD

For a 2+1- Lanka riven:
    80.2 to 98.0% Multishot, average 89% MS
    147.0 to 179.7% Damage, average 163% Dmg
    133.7 to 163.4% Critical Chance, average 148% CC
    106.9 to 130.6% Critical Damage, average  119% CD

If your riven has MS
Say, your Lanka has 1 pellet, with Split Chamber, it now has 1.9 pellets (90% of the time you shoot 2 pellets, 10% you shoot only pellet, but for the sake of average damage, I put it as 1.9).
With a +89% MS riven, it now has 2.79 pellets. From 1.9 to 2.79, it increases 47% in DPS.
If you use Split Chamber, Vigilante Armaments, a +89% MS riven: from 2.5 to 3.39, it increases 36% in DPS.
MS gives the less in DPS, but remember, Sniper has combo counter, and more pellets means more combo -> more damage. It's up to you to choose, but MS is my choice.

If you riven has Dmg
Say, your Lanka has 1 damage, with serration, it now has 2.65 Dmg
With a +163% Dmg riven, it now has 4.28 Dmg. From 2.65 to 4.28, it increases 62% in DPS.
If you use Heavy Caliber, +Dmg riven gives even less in DPS (it's up to you, but I don't use it, even if it's just a R8 Heavy Caliber).
So, +Dmg riven give the most in DPS, but don't roll +Dmg Lanka riven if you wanna use Heavy Caliber (or Chroma)

Now to the crit part, the formula for AVERAGE crit damage is: TC = CC x (CD - 1) + 1. Where TC stands for TOTAL CD
Your Lanka has 25% base CC, 2x baseCD, 50% flat CC on max zoom, with Point Strike and Vital Sense, CC is 112.5%, CD is 4.4x (I only calculate on max zoom, and no boost crit level from Vigilante set, too lazy to do for other cases).
Your TC = 1.125 x (4.4 - 1) + 1 = 4.825

If you riven has CD and no CC
With a +119% CD riven, your CD now is 6.8. TC = 1.125 x (6.8 - 1) + 1 = 7.525.
From 4.825 to 7.525, that's 56% increase in DPS

If your riven has CC and no CD
With a +148% CC riven, your CC now is 149.5%. TC is 1.495 x (4.4 - 1) + 1 = 6.05.
From 4.825 to 6.05, that's 25.4% increase in DPS, the least here (due to +50% flat CC on max zoom)

If your riven has both CC and CD
With a +148% CC +119% CD riven, your CC now is 149.5%, CD is 6.8x. TC is 1.495 x (6.8 - 1) + 1 = 9.67.
From 4.825 to 9.67, that's 100% incease in DPS.

But if you choose a +Dmg +MS riven, as calculated above, +Dmg gives 62%, +MS gives 47%. 1.62 x 1.47 = 2.38.
From 1 to 2.38, that's 138% increase in DPS (and I don't even count the combo counter bonus from MS)
And even more if your riven is +Dmg +CD (this time more raw damage but less combo).

So, according to basic math, for 2+1- lanka riven, in raw damage (max zoom is counted): Dmg > CD > MS > CC
Choose Dmg if you don't use Heavy Caliber, choose MS if you want more combo, CD is always good, CC gives the least DPS here, but if you want to see orange color more (will see red sometimes with Vigilante set), it's always your choice.

About Argon Scope and Vile Acceleration, it's all about playstyle, if you want QoL, its Vile Acceleration, if you want more damage with a drawback in QoL, its Argon Scope (don't use any CC mod because it's less effective since Argon Scope gives huge CC), my choice is always Vile Acceleration, QoL > all in non serious mission.

Final note: it's all BASIC MATH, not rocket science, so please only quote me if my math is wrong.

Edited August 18, 2019 by NeutuoS
Typo

[(PSN)dtdionne]

Wait, argon scope doesn’t add 33CC?  It adds 135CC to the existing 75 (base and .5 zoom)?????

Edited August 18, 2019 by (PS4)dtdionne

[(PSN)Quantaminum]

3 minutes ago, (PS4)dtdionne said:

Wait, argon scope doesn’t add 25CC?  It adds 135CC to the existing 75 (base and .5 zoom)?????

No. Argon (135% CC) is worse than Point Strike (150% CC).

It's not a flat increase.

Consider using Vile Acceleration or that Primed Cold mod instead.

[(PSN)dtdionne]

K, that’s what I thought

[Mover-NeRo]

Dont let yourself be fooled by ppl sayng CC + CD rivens are best. They are actually weaker for almost all weapons, than combination of DMG/MS + One crit stat.

Best way is to put it into dmg calculator and do the math like NeutuoS mentioned.

[nslay]

Use Vile Acceleration for ease of use.

CC is better for Lanka IMO because it enables you to avoid that god awful 8x zoom to achieve over 100% CC. You can use just 3x or 5x (and actually see what you're aiming at!) depending on your Riven!

[(PSN)dtdionne]

Yeah that zooms a stinker...motion sickness maker.

I did a test on Poe, enemies don’t appear until you get within 113m...which also means they disappear after 113m.  Totally disappointing, I was sooooo looking forward to gettin in some high perch and ACTUALLY USING SINPER ZOOM.  Well they’re stupid ass coding skills preclude that...and being able to remap chat key.  Mental giants they must be. 

Edited August 18, 2019 by (PS4)dtdionne

[(PSN)dtdionne]

I’m using the whole vigilante set on my trinity eidolon hunter and it makes a difference.  I also tried twin avengers, which also made a difference...but Harry stomped me to death a couple times so I’ma drop an avenger for a guardian.

I one shot a few joints and two shot many, only one or two required more than a clip. It was really nice.

[(PSN)dtdionne]

Do you lose vigilante if ur carrier dies?  4 of the 6 vig mods are on its weapon and I’ve been wondering about that.

[Lutesque]

2 hours ago, (PS4)dtdionne said:

Do you lose vigilante if ur carrier dies?  4 of the 6 vig mods are on its weapon and I’ve been wondering about that.

I mean if you're worried about Stat Sticks dying you could build a MoA instead....

[angias]

il y a 2 minutes, Lutesque a dit :

I mean if you're worried about Stat Sticks dying you could build a MoA instead....

That is actually pretty smart.

[MPonder]

Is that for Eidolon hunting? Because if it is, projectile weapons are no good for Eidolon hunting now, since they are bugged.

[Lutesque]

5 minutes ago, MPonder said:

Is that for Eidolon hunting? Because if it is, projectile weapons are no good for Eidolon hunting now, since they are bugged.

Bugged How....

For Volt its actually good to use The Lanka due to how it ineracts with Volt Shields....

I think next I want to try out The Velocitus.... if I can just get a riven for it...

[MPonder]

They can't hit second and third eidolon when they are coming from water, you lose a lot of time for that, you either ask someone else with a Rubico to break or get a powerful secondary for the first synovia.

[(PSN)dtdionne]

Harry killed between 13 and 16 lures in just over 7 min in my last run.  And he killed me back to back, grey numbers and all.  Super sweet...sooooo much fun.  I just backed out.

Edited August 22, 2019 by (PS4)dtdionne

[(PSN)dtdionne]

I’m stoked the Canadians sold out to China, super smart bunch those Canadians.

[0_The_F00l]

31 minutes ago, (PS4)dtdionne said:

I’m stoked the Canadians sold out to China, super smart bunch those Canadians.

That was completely random, and that is rather old news. 

 

With regards to main question (assuming you want it for eidolons) CC+CD + MS -with minor negative would be better assuming you can reach near 100% in 2 zooms.