i hope DE is self aware of the current disaster in the game industry.

[(PSN)Tomplexthis]

EA - Bethesda - Bioware - Activision - Ubisoft - Blizzard - Respawn 

i love how Warframe has pretty much stayed out of this madness. considering its set up of its prime system.

Overall, i look at the 80 - 60$ primes as a sub system. many free to play games have a sub fee of 10 - 20$ a month. 

Warframe releases a prime about every 3-5 months. so that would mean Warframes sub is about 20$ per month. considering the 90 day boosters.

any discussion about warframes, prime, or plat purchases has always turned south fast. a huge wall of defense gets put up. when i mentioned it on steam.

not trying to ignite a flame war, riot or anything, but just trying to give DE a heads up, i know they are aware, because of a few times they took action.

loot boxes = {mod packs] they kind of swapped them out for something viable, non rng, and the dev streams.

Please DE, try to avoid this huge situation in the gaming industry. i myself had bought a bunch of primes, and plat over the years, but my friend ended up in rehab for what he did.

he isnt all there in the head, ent, and he bought like 6000 platinum, his purchases got him into problems with his parents, and he ended up in a hospital, banned from warframe.

it never got mentioned or anything, but i dont actually even know how much he had spent on this game. just that he did, and i cannot condone him spending anymore.

people tend to trade around for platinum, DE gives out a bit to players, but overall, some things, the mods, or primes, are 500 -20,000 platinum [Primed Chamber]

that overall is like 100-1000$+ over the years i've been in warframe, i have enjoyed it. its grown a bit, but its bumpy now. new players have come to the game, and forums.

it was fun, nice community, nice players, but once the plague arrives, it spreads. and the community has suffered for it.

just wish you guys could watch this video, i want to support warframe, and help the devs steer clear of "Controversies" and stuff.

much love ❤️ =p

 

[(XBOX)UpgradeAcorn989]

[Ahniar]

I'm pretty sure they have a deeper insight into the matter than most people imagine... As developers they get access to data we (general public) only get access much later (time-wise). And that's when we can actually get our hands on the full thing, most times only snippets of the original documents get "leaked" as marketing stunts at best... 

Best we can do is work with what we have and leave the gritty details to them hoping they get it right, using the appropriated venues to leave our inputs on any issues that may arise. 

Some say money makes the world go round, in the interwebz case, it's more "information makes the world go round" as any one in a leadership role should know. 

Cheers

 

[(PSN)FastestKnight]

The closest "Respawn insulting their playerbase" moment we have was the Dog Days' redtext saltiness xD

 

For the moment, DE it's pretty fair. Heck, even the Nightwave system acts like a season pass but there's no way to put money into it. Let's stay that way.

[Gruiz]

At least those you considered lootbox and prime warframe, weapon can be farmed

 

More than that is mere cosmetics

[(PSN)Viveeeh]

Okay a can't watch the video right now, what's this all about?

And who go into hospital and what does this have to do with Warframe?

I'm so confused 😐

[ChaoticEdge]

No I know he is trying get to the point but didn't sum it up to refine to be.  Lemme sum it up, it's just about talk about loot box and "pay to win" box thing with pay digital items which companies are facing massive suing by the U.S.A goverment due of Loot Boxes was increased high extreme value above 200 dollars that made made rip off to players to buy few loot boxes that was unfair to be and the skin is already there for players to just use it without paying extra.  For he try pointing out about the prime access are like "Pay To Win" boxes which I kind of do agreed there and also "Digital Extreme" located in Canada which their law is different which people who is under 18 or on 18 cannot gambled which by a bidding rules they did said "Video Game" is gambling if you have for example loot boxes which Canada is might take suggestions from U.S.A following in somewhat law.

 

There is worried that is built between the players which I can see that why and I knew when Bethesda did it and other companies starting to do it pretty much they got the Wham in the face due of breaking few laws so basically it started from here and its all over youtube.

Spoiler

 

 

which loot boxes are being ban, not only that being ban they are searching whatever game might have "Pay To Win" items as well like warframe sure its free to play but not to bash but point out the statement, the games out there like somewhere in Asia they have pay to win items or pay items or buying datas for this 1 game pretty much over few countries they already ban "Pay To Win" and also "Loot Boxes" as warframe is looking the same issued that is developing over the past year sure prime is easy get from relics, but 1 think what players are spending more is doing on plats, Riven mods are "pay to win" due of people addiction buying riven mods from other players.  I do love warframe but it is soon that all video game company who do this trick they will end up paying more then their pockets which it will hurt the communties, the dev, moderators and the progress for the game because of single bill hurts it all.

For I cannot shield Digital Extreme for I hope they have back up plans for such thing to be for the game and other games that they might developed in near future.

[(PSN)Tomplexthis]

8 hours ago, (PS4)FastestKnight said:

The closest "Respawn insulting their playerbase" moment we have was the Dog Days' redtext saltiness xD

 

For the moment, DE it's pretty fair. Heck, even the Nightwave system acts like a season pass but there's no way to put money into it. Let's stay that way.

i felt personally attacked by the Dog days text, cause when it was released, all 3 of my squadmates were standing around in my afk box

when they added 1 pearl per kill, the afk for that event went to 0%

[WhiteMarker]

OP is concerned about what DE is doing.
OP is posting in OffTopic.

Good job.

[(PSN)Tomplexthis]

43 minutes ago, (PS4)Viveeeh said:

Okay a can't watch the video right now, what's this all about?

And who go into hospital and what does this have to do with Warframe?

I'm so confused 😐

my clanmate, he smokes alot i guess, and plays warframe alot, but he spent a ton of money on warframe, so he was sent to a hospital by his parents.

=[

6 hours ago, Gruiz said:

At least those you considered lootbox and prime warframe, weapon can be farmed

 

More than that is mere cosmetics

in no way am i trying to cause offense, primes are essentially just a subscription system, though the 80$ tier is high, the 60$ feels like a 20$ a month sub.

everyone knows its all farmable, minus slots, which now can be gotten from nightwaves i guess.

but everytime i mention something, it gets brought up. the thing i mention is how DE has adjusted themselves, watching this mess unfold.

the old dumb rng mod packs i found pointless, it was a decent change to offer item for plat, rather than RNG for plat, which always is basic gambling.

plat for item is not, which is most of all of warframes monetization, just charging to rush past the grind. besides bundles for 40-60 dollars 

24 minutes ago, ChaoticEdge said:

For he try pointing out about the prime access are like "Pay To Win" boxes which I kind of do agreed there and also "Digital Extreme" located in Canada which their law is different which people who is under 18 or on 18 cannot gambled which by a bidding rules they did said "Video Game" is gambling if you have for example loot boxes which Canada is might take suggestions from U.S.A following in somewhat law.

prime access is not lootboxes, but to me essentially just a high wall sub fee. many games, mmos, charge a fee of 10-20$ a month to play.

with Warframe, that is optional. there is so much vaulting though, it is a touchy subject for any warframe fans, players, due to the ease of getting these things in 24 hours.

for veterans like me, we know we can just get this stuff in like a few days, its easy, ive done it, but i like warframe, i like plat, it feels nice, i like skins, and tennogen.

its just, dangerous. i think, i dont know, it gets very touchy. people go crazy with it, and my friend ended up drugged up on pills, it sucks. 

[ShadowStalker]

DE always gets a pass on videos like these and havent gotten into the spotlight of bad monitization practices because imo warframe player base is a cult and they around everywhere spreading this false bs on how great of a game warframe is and inturn because of this cult like player base no one talks about WF or DE in a critical way(maybe except one or two warframe based content creators)because they know they will get lots of hate and backlash its easier to go after Evil Actually or Scamtivision or Scamtheda or Scambisoft because thier player base is open to criticizing thier publishers and developers and will go after thier necks but warframe player base will probably praise DE even if one day DE sets  thier house on fire XD

Edited August 20, 2019 by ShadowStalker

[(PSN)Tomplexthis]

58 minutes ago, ShadowStalker said:

DE always gets a pass on videos like these and havent gotten into the spotlight of bad monitization practices because imo warframe player base is a cult and they around everywhere spreading this false bs on how great of a game warframe is and inturn because of this cult like player base no one talks about WF or DE in a critical way(maybe except one or two warframe based content creators)because they know they will get lots of hate and backlash its easier to go after Evil Actually or Scamtivision or Scamtheda or Scambisoft because thier player base is open to criticizing thier publishers and developers and will go after thier necks but warframe player base will probably praise DE even if one day DE sets  thier house on fire XD

https://www.wakfu.com/en/mmorpg/shop/573-mystery-box

in this age, Warframe just needs to stay entirely away from any or all "Surprise Mechanics" or loot boxes that trade Plat for RNG.

Wakfu, has a new item, or items that cost 2 to 10 dollars each, loot boxes with rng that is on display, as of their countries laws. 

The rate is like 2.20 for the new boxes, 1% chance at a box, to 4 and 9 and 14% for other crud. causing maybe about 100 purchases estimated to get the reward.

That is 200$ for a chance at an item, guessing. this issue should be avoided at all costs in any games, as the gambling mentality is there.

People want an item, so they buy a box, and get a duplicate, or an item they dont want, and buy again, again, again, till they get that item.

it is basic gambling, and as such, it really sucks, the topic itself is always heated, ignored, and blocked out, but should be discussed, however it is a bonfire.

i tried to discuss the 139$ prime access thing on steam, and that devolved into massive flame war of people not understand my question at hand.

1: they always get mad about the "YOU GET IT ALL FREE" thing, which yeah, you get some of it free, but there are ploys in there to encourage spending

^Riven's for example, a very tiny 15 slots. 60 plat per 3 slots, daily, you may get rivens, and eventually, they are outnumbered fast

Those 15 slots are pathetic, compared to the near 400 weapons in warframe, meaning, if you want rivens, you have to pay. regardless

Same concept in inventory, for warframes, sentinels, weapons. it builds up, and is all consuming, +the 3000 hour grind, and even at 900 days, you will have no real progress.

daily logins, anyone new to warframe will be met with these walls. non-intrusive markets, is great yeah, but its there. i generally hate bundles xD

how do you discuss something at all, when everyone gets offended and self destructs at the mere mention of it...

it just sucks really. Free to play, doesnt incline the game is Free to make. and that is the que for Fee to Pay if you want Free to Play. and Warframe survives this way.

many games cost 20-60$ and thats it, but over the course of 6 years. many of us had dished out at least 1000$ on warframe, without really keeping track.

i tried to keep track of my spendings, when i had a job. i made money, supported my hobby. [warframe] and that was that. lost my job, no plat. T T

but its there on the table, i just want to support DE, and just try to keep Lootbox mentality out of the game. unlike Wakfu's mystery box system, scamming terribly.

The models in the game are great, for the monetization as a whole, and should be a stated grounding for most EA or now Bethesda/Blizzard garbage. 

i hate gaming today, and my disgust out of the constant 60-99$ loot box madness, it is what kept me to warframe.

The devs listen, responde, offer feedback, and try to change things accordingly, minus my hate of most nerfs, especially all riven nerfs. 

its our time, effort, and attention to the game that we put into it, to then see our work demolished in some way that makes us so angry.

but people are weird, different, each with their own views, very very defensive about a game yeah, but Everything needs to be critically viewed, on its good and bad.

Wakfu sucks though

[Sloan441]

6 hours ago, ShadowStalker said:

DE always gets a pass on videos like these and havent gotten into the spotlight of bad monitization practices because imo warframe player base is a cult and they around everywhere spreading this false bs on how great of a game warframe is and inturn because... well, reasons. 

Remember kids: tinfoil goes on shiny side out. 

[(PSN)Tomplexthis]

52 minutes ago, Sloan441 said:

Remember kids: tinfoil goes on shiny side out. 

you aren't part of the cult? i heard they go to these strange meetings sometimes in a scary place called canada... they utter the nightmarish phrase. TENNO CON

they whisper it in your ear, to cause so much panic, you will flee in terror

[ChaoticEdge]

7 hours ago, (PS4)Tomplexthis said:

my clanmate, he smokes alot i guess, and plays warframe alot, but he spent a ton of money on warframe, so he was sent to a hospital by his parents.

=[

in no way am i trying to cause offense, primes are essentially just a subscription system, though the 80$ tier is high, the 60$ feels like a 20$ a month sub.

everyone knows its all farmable, minus slots, which now can be gotten from nightwaves i guess.

but everytime i mention something, it gets brought up. the thing i mention is how DE has adjusted themselves, watching this mess unfold.

the old dumb rng mod packs i found pointless, it was a decent change to offer item for plat, rather than RNG for plat, which always is basic gambling.

plat for item is not, which is most of all of warframes monetization, just charging to rush past the grind. besides bundles for 40-60 dollars 

prime access is not lootboxes, but to me essentially just a high wall sub fee. many games, mmos, charge a fee of 10-20$ a month to play.

with Warframe, that is optional. there is so much vaulting though, it is a touchy subject for any warframe fans, players, due to the ease of getting these things in 24 hours.

for veterans like me, we know we can just get this stuff in like a few days, its easy, ive done it, but i like warframe, i like plat, it feels nice, i like skins, and tennogen.

its just, dangerous. i think, i dont know, it gets very touchy. people go crazy with it, and my friend ended up drugged up on pills, it sucks. 

as again you weren't reading the REST, for yes I know the Digital Extreme "Avoided" the loot boxes IF ANYONE REMEMBER AND RECALLED THE MOD PACK CARDS for yes it was their loot boxes but it doesn't mean it is "Pay To Win" the fact players who has rare riven mods and selling such high price even more greater in the market as soon it will hit as to be in government's rule book and world governments might see this is one those is gambling due of buying a randomized riven and buying from a person to get rare riven mods pretty much ends up this is loop hole that actually is another way for it is "Pay To Win" because your sinking in more into plats and using full on money buy that riven mods from someone else.

[Sloan441]

18 minutes ago, (PS4)Tomplexthis said:

you aren't part of the cult? 

I'm still waiting on my secret decoder ring. 

Have ring; will travel!

[ChaoticEdge]

5 hours ago, Sloan441 said:

I'm still waiting on my secret decoder ring. 

Have ring; will travel!

I think your packages been stolen by another cult group.

[(PSN)Tomplexthis]

21 hours ago, ChaoticEdge said:

I think your packages been stolen by another cult group.

i heard there was a shadowy figure, stalking people, he said, he knew what they have done...

[(PSN)Tomplexthis]

 

[Lutesque]

I generally don't like watching long linked Videos but your OP made no sense to so I bit the bullet and watched...

Interesting. 

Im guessing you're wondering if this applies to Warframe....

Well.... I think it applies to all games where money changes hands or even has the potential to change hands.... but this still feels like its off topic....

[BLI7Z]

If any government sues Warframe... a lot of the playerbase will sue that government. Hell, we might even do a coup d'etat towards that government in the name of Warframe. 

[(PSN)Tomplexthis]

8 hours ago, BLI7Z said:

If any government sues Warframe... a lot of the playerbase will sue that government. Hell, we might even do a coup d'etat towards that government in the name of Warframe. 

? why would they sue Warframe. they didn't make battlefront, madden, fifa, fallout 76, anthem.

False Advertising, and selling Gambling to minors, thats the real issue.

my issue with warframe at the moment, is the riven/kuva grind

spending 80,000 kuva to roll 1 decent riven. to get nothing, due to bad RNG. thats what i despise

But to finally get a good roll on a riven, after spending 350,000 kuva. to then get it nerfed 3 times. by DE, thats disgustingly deplorable. 

and that riven nerf mentality, gets no praise at all. ever

[BLI7Z]

4 minutes ago, (PS4)Tomplexthis said:

? why would they sue Warframe. they didn't make battlefront, madden, fifa, fallout 76, anthem.

False Advertising, and selling Gambling to minors, thats the real issue.

my issue with warframe at the moment, is the riven/kuva grind

spending 80,000 kuva to roll 1 decent riven. to get nothing, due to bad RNG. thats what i despise

But to finally get a good roll on a riven, after spending 350,000 kuva. to then get it nerfed 3 times. by DE, thats disgustingly deplorable. 

and that riven nerf mentality, gets no praise at all. ever

I was joking. And I agree with you. Though I don't roll rivens. I plainly buy them with plat. Most have an obscene price, I avoid any that is more than 2k. It is a flawed system but they compromised with it for a long time and there's a lot of damage done.

[(PSN)Tomplexthis]

3 minutes ago, BLI7Z said:

I was joking. And I agree with you. Though I don't roll rivens. I plainly buy them with plat. Most have an obscene price, I avoid any that is more than 2k. It is a flawed system but they compromised with it for a long time and there's a lot of damage done.

dude, i have 69 rivens. and my issue with them stems for the disconnect DE has with rivens rng, purchases and our time/effort to get them.

spending 24 hours trying to farm out 350,000 kuva.

then rolling all of that into 1 riven for a chance at something good. to then see it ruined by nerfs.. thats what i despise

i get a few tweaks, nerfs to weapons, and warframes, but on the scale of rivens, and their infinite rng. its just staggering.

people sell them for like 60 platinum to 20,000. mostly i see 300-500 or 800-1500. 

its a pretty crazy market. the meme "God Roll" thing is just like real life food labeled "Organic"  food is food

giving themselves a reason, inclination to give something an exorbitant price, or whatever. spending 1500 platinum, like literally 100$.

That 100$ then becomes worthless in every prime release now, worsened with each patch, by a nerf to your 100$

its like if you bought a car, and then the dealership smashes a car window every 3 months. saying IT NEEDED BALANCE

a strange analogy, but honestly, thats kind of what gets delivered. we earned them, by working for it, either free or paying up

but then the dealership destroys it because people use it, or like them. i wish that the kuva thing would change

maybe give players more ways to earn more kuva, so the rolls wouldnt feel so painful. 80,000 on a lanka, and got nothing. 

i think it makes me want to quit the game, it feels exhausting, of all the stuff in warframe its rivens and kuva that i hate the most. 

 

[BLI7Z]

7 hours ago, (PS4)Tomplexthis said:

dude, i have 69 rivens. and my issue with them stems for the disconnect DE has with rivens rng, purchases and our time/effort to get them.

spending 24 hours trying to farm out 350,000 kuva.

then rolling all of that into 1 riven for a chance at something good. to then see it ruined by nerfs.. thats what i despise

i get a few tweaks, nerfs to weapons, and warframes, but on the scale of rivens, and their infinite rng. its just staggering.

people sell them for like 60 platinum to 20,000. mostly i see 300-500 or 800-1500. 

its a pretty crazy market. the meme "God Roll" thing is just like real life food labeled "Organic"  food is food

giving themselves a reason, inclination to give something an exorbitant price, or whatever. spending 1500 platinum, like literally 100$.

That 100$ then becomes worthless in every prime release now, worsened with each patch, by a nerf to your 100$

its like if you bought a car, and then the dealership smashes a car window every 3 months. saying IT NEEDED BALANCE

a strange analogy, but honestly, thats kind of what gets delivered. we earned them, by working for it, either free or paying up

but then the dealership destroys it because people use it, or like them. i wish that the kuva thing would change

maybe give players more ways to earn more kuva, so the rolls wouldnt feel so painful. 80,000 on a lanka, and got nothing. 

i think it makes me want to quit the game, it feels exhausting, of all the stuff in warframe its rivens and kuva that i hate the most. 

 

That's why I don't want to get into the spiral of farming kuva and rerolling. I don't want to burnout just because of that. I love this game and I try to bypass that obscene grind that has all the horrible flaws you pointed out. I only buy plat when there's a 75% discount, on PC, so they don't feel so expensive considering the amount of real money spent. Anyways, rolling rivens is a form of gambling, but people don't do it with money, but with time; and time is much more valuable than money. You can get more money, but you can't get back the time spent. Then what I do is pay for people's work and luck with my money (or with my own work that I enjoy, that meaning farming fissures and selling primes). I guess it can't be considered real gambling, the kuva rerolling, because there is no real money in there. (Boosters maybe, but can also be bought with plat won ingame). I think they should lower the reroll kuva price... and think about another time sink for players. I won't get into it as I said. I consider 1000% more enjoyable to do arbitrations and fissures, or anything else.