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For the people complaining about the ivara deluxe skin

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or...they can just move on because art is entirely subjective and no design is going to fit every persons flavor? some people are going to love this deluxe, some won't, just like every other deluxe in the game excuse nezha empyrean which is without fault. the look is optional, and fortunately we know there will be more, and ivara has some lovely tennogen as well, options are out there.  

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Lol, that's not how it works. If I don't like it, I just won't buy it. Simple as that, and that's DE's loss. 

I do like the skin itself though, but YET AGAIN I feel like DE is just going way too far from the original. There is nothing "Ivara" about the skin imo and could just as well be a completely new frame. 

The Equinox deluxe on the other hand, oof.

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37 минут назад, WhiteMarker сказал:

Someone did. A long time ago.

warframe__ivara___jade_sin_skin_by_astur

#*!%ing god,stop reminding me about this skin T_T it gorgeous...im not playing Ivara, but i would buy this skin even for x3 price in steam, just cause its  G O R G E O U S

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15 минут назад, (PS4)Lei-Lei_23 сказал:

To be fair, I’m glad this skin wasn’t considered. Not a fan of the helmet with the horns/ears, facial design certainly displays some semblance for eyes but there’s a jewel in the middle (awkward), the facial and head structure of the helmet is very big and round because of the red cheeks and overall shape of the head.

Thunder thighs: We have enough of those.

Legs and stumps: Not a fan.

The only redeemable feature is the long cloth running down the chest to lower torso and the cloaked arm over the left arm. That’s it. Otherwise everything just screams Furry to me.

to be fair - thousands of active users were hyped about this skin on reddit. And i cant tell same for DE ivara skin or for Zephyr deluxe from DE....

 

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8 hours ago, Cubewano said:

or...they can just move on because art is entirely subjective and no design is going to fit every persons flavor? some people are going to love this deluxe, some won't, just like every other deluxe in the game excuse nezha empyrean which is without fault. the look is optional, and fortunately we know there will be more, and ivara has some lovely tennogen as well, options are out there.  

It's a lot simpler really. Resumes to "don't change the formula". The public's reception is as simple as "I can relate to this". Change it and buckle up for some backlash. Contrary to what the industry and what devs like to say: nobody really has to accept change.

This skin would have been perfect for some other frames. I'd be all over it if it were Volt's deluxe skin. But my girl Ivara is supposed to be the most adorable frame with a big dangly head with large hips which that somehow look like a bunny (Hitsusan got it). And I'm not agreeing with big variations of that concept (that's why we have other frames to begin with). Just as I'm not agreeing with the full non balanced power fantasy direction the game has taken.

Changes are bad all around. It's not a matter of what is good or bad, it's a matter of relying on a concept that you already presented to the public, and why would you change it after the public has decided it likes it.

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I think the better argument is just don't buy it. 

FashionFrame is entirely subjective. There are a number of Deluxe Skins that I dislike which people love. The opposite holds true as well.

I'm just grateful that the game gives us options.

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41 minutes ago, Gabbynaru said:

This is the most retarded argument I've seen anyone post on the internet. Congratulations! Now get the help you need, you self centered prick.

I will thank you very much internet person who i dony k kw and dont care about! 😄

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That argument is the most nonsense thing ever.

You don't need to be good at something to know what makes that thing good.

None of us are good writers, but we all know 50 Shades of Grey is a narrative crime.

None of us are CG artists, but we all know that Sonic and Cats look awful.

None of us are footballers, but we all know if a team is good or not.

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6 minutes ago, (NSW)Ace-Bounty-Hunter said:

I think the better argument is just don't buy it. 

FashionFrame is entirely subjective. There are a number of Deluxe Skins that I dislike which people love. The opposite holds true as well.

I'm just grateful that the game gives us options.

I was trying to put the point of just dont buy it, but felt the old "if YOU can do it better, then do it" would've been more fitting choice, but people linking and sending other peoples arts, nit their own, but yeah, if you dont like it, dont buy it

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To those saying my argument is i valid, where we work if you complain about someone hard work (and it is really hard work and a pain in the ass to do to begin with) it is valid for them to say to you "if you can do a better job, then go ahead" you'll quickly see you cant to a better job and just walk away

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Can we get a moderator to close this thread? It pretty much started in a state of aggressive back and forth commentary with little to no constructive discussion.

This thread isn't helping anyone and it's just pointless fist-shaking.

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1 hour ago, JohnTheMango said:

And it was a good attempt, but it wasn't chosen for the skin that they showcased, was it?

I would still take it over the chicken with different left/right colored breastplate that is Ivara deluxe. As a matter of fact I'm sure the prime skin will be way better than the deluxe one (at least I hope so)

 

OP is clearly trying to bait making an unnecessary thread when the original one would have done just fine. More work for the mods I guess.

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2 hours ago, TeaHawk said:

As much as many prime/deluxe skin details are close to the original. Personally, I don't find it as close to the original apart from central camera.

Wisp legs work fine. Nova's tennogen skin legs work fine. I can't see any problem with these. Your argument is clearly far-fetched.

Most if not all the Deluxe helms are drastically different from the normal helmet. The only ones that have any resemblance are Excal Proto, Loki Knave, Nyx Nemesis.

Theres a difference between tennogen and Deluxes. Tennogen can only change the textures. Deluxes can completely change the frames model. And those legs would look really janky on Ivara due to her idle animations.

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4 minutes ago, (XB1)GearsMatrix301 said:

Theres a difference between tennogen and Deluxes. Tennogen can only change the textures. Deluxes can completely change the frames model.

Can != should

4 minutes ago, (XB1)GearsMatrix301 said:

And those legs would look really janky on Ivara due to her idle animations.

Well, maybe. I don't really know. If it's true DE could potentially ask skin creator to change this aspect in order to suit better a specific animation set.

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1 minute ago, TeaHawk said:

Can != should

I don’t know what point you’re trying to make with this. There’s no point of making a Deluxe skin if it’s just the normal skin with extra stuff thrown on. It should be a completely new design.

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8 minutes ago, (XB1)GearsMatrix301 said:

I don’t know what point you’re trying to make with this. There’s no point of making a Deluxe skin if it’s just the normal skin with extra stuff thrown on. It should be a completely new design.

I'm just paying attention to the words. You've just said that deluxes can be completely different. You did not say that it should be. It's two different statements.

 

10 minutes ago, (XB1)GearsMatrix301 said:

It should be a completely new design.

That's what you've been trying to say. And I assume it's closer to truth. However "completely new design" is a bit vague. As you said at least 3 deluxes inherited their design from original frames. Deluxe to me is more about details and model differences. If one element is somehow similar to the original it might be not that big of a deal. You're not changing for sake of change. You're changing in order to have a beautiful outstanding result. In case you need to keep one element from original design to achieve this, why not?

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3 hours ago, WhiteMarker said:

Someone did. A long time ago.

warframe__ivara___jade_sin_skin_by_astur

Not gonna lie I hate the look of this skin.

Thighs as big as a grineer bombard.Fury looking ears .Shoulder having a hard time with cloth physics and attachments.

Cool but unrealistic and too weeby,  EVEN by warframes standard. I'd like to use a ivara deluxe without my family looking at me in dusgust because they think I'm the playing one of false mmo porn mobile games 

Thanks but no thanks , warframe is DE''s vision , keep it that way 

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34 minutes ago, TeaHawk said:

I'm just paying attention to the words. You've just said that deluxes can be completely different. You did not say that it should be. It's two different statements.

 

That's what you've been trying to say. And I assume it's closer to truth. However "completely new design" is a bit vague. As you said at least 3 deluxes inherited their design from original frames. Deluxe to me is more about details and model differences. If one element is somehow similar to the original it might be not that big of a deal. You're not changing for sake of change. You're changing in order to have a beautiful outstanding result. In case you need to keep one element from original design to achieve this, why not?

You’re overthinking this.

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3 hours ago, (XB1)GearsMatrix301 said:

Was the artist of this skin contracted by DE? Has their work even showed up before in the game.

I’m starting to think that none of you know how Deluxe Skins are decided upon.

Also that helmet design is far too close to normal Ivara helms design and those legs just wouldn’t work.

The real question to ask do you even know what this thread is about?

OP said, that if we dislike the Deluxe Skin we should show him a better looking one. I delivered on that request. OP don't ask for a better looking skin from a DE artist. How would anyone other than DE show something from a DE artist?

Again: do you understand what the thread is about? Do you understand how pointless your post was?

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shame, there was me thinking this would be another "For the people complaining about Ivara Deluxe......

 

..............I agree, it's blatantly Khora"

 

But alas not, it's just another person who thinks that saying "if you can't do better just stfu" will make the world a better place.

Makes me think, how many times these people have had this said to them i wonder...?

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38 minutes ago, WhiteMarker said:

The real question to ask do you even know what this thread is about?

OP said, that if we dislike the Deluxe Skin we should show him a better looking one. I delivered on that request. OP don't ask for a better looking skin from a DE artist. How would anyone other than DE show something from a DE artist?

Again: do you understand what the thread is about? Do you understand how pointless your post was?

Literally any post that involves Ivara Deluxe devolves into an argument about people saying the jade sin is better, that they want it. And people like me telling them that they can’t have the jade sin because reasons stated before.

So what you’re doing is specifically targeting me when everybody else is engaging in the same activity.

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