Open Worlds

[Nssheepster]

I'll be blunt. I don't like open worlds in any game. Never have. I get lost enough in real life, I don't need to get lost in a game. On top of this, open worlds seem to somehow immediately attract odd, alternate gameplay... And a Dev desire to make it non-optional. And that, really, is my issue.

I don't enjoy open worlds. I don't enjoy the dramatic Grand Boss fights. I definitely don't enjoy taking my WARframe out to fish or mine. Its purpose is kind of in the title... And Fishframe would be a terrible name for a game.

I don't mind that it exists. There are some who enjoy it, and HAVING these options IS important for the game. It's a GOOD thing these are here, and I am NOT, in ANY way, saying that these need to be removed, or should be.

What I am saying, is that this content is not optional, and I feel it should be. I would love to meddle with the Zaw and Kitgun system, and see what things I can and can't do with it. I'd love to actually use the Arcane system, that seems like it adds some really cool customization to your Warframes. I'd REALLY love to get Hildryn, she seems really, really awesome, totally up my alley.

Yet all of that is tied to the Open Worlds. I could, if I was willing, buy Hildryn with Platinum. $20 dollars of Platinum. If I either buy Platinum, or grind Void Relics and play the market, I could trade for Arcanes, eventually. Given that those are relatively cheap, I'll probably end up doing that for Arcanes, and probably end up waiting for Hildryn Prime and farm her that way, just to avoid these places. But I can't do the same with Zaws and Kitguns. I can't trade for them. I am locked out of those systems unless I engage with content I don't enjoy.

I am perfectly willing to grind ridiculous amounts of credits to buy these parts/resources. Or, to keep it lore friendly for Cetus, perfectly willing to farm resources they can't get and swap them at a bad rate for what I need to engage with these systems. Given that Fortuna is a debt colony, it'd make perfect sense for someone to be willing to take credits for basically anything they don't instantly need. I WILL take a bad deal, just to avoid these open worlds.

Not everyone is going to enjoy every aspect of the game. I won't claim I enjoyed every Star Chart node I've completed... And more importantly, I didn't expect to. That would be insane, there's no way I could possibly enjoy every aspect of any game, especially not one this varied and expansive. And that is fine, as long as I am not forced to spend a LARGE amount of time engaging with that content I don't enjoy. These things are not SMALL things to grind for. I can't say, "I'm going to take a day, just put up with it and grind for Fortuna", and be done with the task. These are LONG grinds, significant end game progression kind of grinds. I don't want to do that, and honestly, I'm a good 90% certain that trying to force myself to do so would end up with me dreading to even launch the game, and that's not a state I want to put myself in.

Warframe has a LOT of good in it. I'd like to engage in that. I just don't want to be forced to engage in the open world for, say, a month or so, any more then I'd want to run Archwing or Interception missions for a month. I don't have to grind Archwings or Interceptions, I can grind the things I enjoy instead, in a wide variety of tilesets to boot. But you do expect me to grind the open world for access and usage of systems you very clearly put a lot of time and effort into.

 

I'm not saying, "Remove the gate to this content." I'm not saying "Let me grind less", or "Make it easier". I'm saying, I might want to tear my hair out doing the grind THIS way, please can I have some other grind to do, even if it's twice as long?

[GnarlsDarkley]

Will or Won't

[Syasob]

Instead of fishing and mining you could have farmed Exploiter Orb and Thumpers... But it happens that you dislike both ways.

Another way to get arcanes is to invent a time machine, go back in time and farm raids daily. Doesn't sound like an easy choice though. And I'm not talking about time machine part.

If you'd specify what gameplay you do like it would be easier to suggest something.

[Drachnyn]

For both Kitguns and Zaws there is a daily special on sale for plat. Keep an eye out for those, there can be the high end ones aswell.

[Sajochi]

At least you did a good thing and express your informed opinion as well as your personal one while throwing in a suggestion that you would like. While I personally don't get where you're coming from, I want to acknowledge good feedback when it appears.

On your topic, alternatives are a good thing, as everyone can potentially benefit. I do not care for fortuna. I do not care about getting the last rank because I don't like the grind. I resigned ever farming Baruuk or Hildryn because I just cannot care enough to do anything to get to them. Give me an alternative farm that I might enjoy.

I'm probably not going to bother too much with Duviri or whatever the next large map is outside the intro quests.

[Nssheepster]

2 minutes ago, Syasob said:

Instead of fishing and mining you could have farmed Exploiter Orb and Thumpers... But it happens that you dislike both ways.

Another way to get arcanes is to invent a time machine, go back in time and farm raids daily. Doesn't sound like an easy choice though. And I'm not talking about time machine part.

If you'd specify what gameplay you do like it would be easier to suggest something.

Is there a way for me to get these things, without entering the Plains or the Orb Vailis?

This post wasn't looking for suggestions for "How to make this unpleasant thing less bad/faster". It was honestly looking for the ability to NOT enter the open world areas, and engage with the systems that are currently bound to them. Amps were specifically not mentioned seeing as their usage is IN the open worlds. The rest however can be used anywhere... If you are willing to grind in the open worlds.

[Nssheepster]

3 minutes ago, Drachnyn said:

For both Kitguns and Zaws there is a daily special on sale for plat. Keep an eye out for those, there can be the high end ones aswell.

I've certainly contemplated that. However, while I have spent money for Warframe as it stands, I prefer to avoid doing so too often, as it leaves me feeling that I've cheated the system in some fashion. The game is about grinding, and I DO enjoy grinding, so I prefer not to skip most of it.

[Nssheepster]

4 minutes ago, Sajochi said:

At least you did a good thing and express your informed opinion as well as your personal one while throwing in a suggestion that you would like. While I personally don't get where you're coming from, I want to acknowledge good feedback when it appears.

On your topic, alternatives are a good thing, as everyone can potentially benefit. I do not care for fortuna. I do not care about getting the last rank because I don't like the grind. I resigned ever farming Baruuk or Hildryn because I just cannot care enough to do anything to get to them. Give me an alternative farm that I might enjoy.

I'm probably not going to bother too much with Duviri or whatever the next large map is outside the intro quests.

I appreciate that. That's really all I'm loooking for, is an alternative farm. Cetus and Fortuna are clearly both future proofed, there's a lot of space to add a vendor in each for the resources. If anything comes of this, I'd honestly expect that and that alone, simply because it'd be the easiest for them to add. The less development time needed for a player suggestion often translates to how likely it is to be used.

[Drachnyn]

vor 1 Minute schrieb Nssheepster:

I've certainly contemplated that. However, while I have spent money for Warframe as it stands, I prefer to avoid doing so too often, as it leaves me feeling that I've cheated the system in some fashion. The game is about grinding, and I DO enjoy grinding, so I prefer not to skip most of it.

Then farm for stuff to sell to other players and get plat that way. You're still farming stuff to get to your kitguns and zaws, it just happens to not be in the open worlds. The downside of this method is that you'll have to rely on the rng of the daily special.

[Nssheepster]

1 minute ago, Drachnyn said:

Then farm for stuff to sell to other players and get plat that way. You're still farming stuff to get to your kitguns and zaws, it just happens to not be in the open worlds. The downside of this method is that you'll have to rely on the rng of the daily special.

I can't tell. Are you against an alternate farm being added, or simply trying to be helpful? Or both, that's an option too I suppose.

[Drachnyn]

vor 1 Minute schrieb Nssheepster:

I can't tell. Are you against an alternate farm being added, or simply trying to be helpful? Or both, that's an option too I suppose.

I'm not against an alternate farm, I just wanted to point out that an alternate farm already exists in a way. 

[Nssheepster]

1 minute ago, Drachnyn said:

I'm not against an alternate farm, I just wanted to point out that an alternate farm already exists in a way. 

I would have to disagree on that being an alternate farm. If I wanted A Zaw, that would count. If I wanted to engage with the system as a whole, that would not at all be an alternate farm. Unless you are suggesting that I hope that every Zaw part combination comes up and buy each and every individual one. In that case..... I really just don't have much to say in reply to that, other than an appropriately firm "No".

Farm implies you are influencing what you get. You don't throw seeds out and hope, you plant beets, you get beets. The Daily Special is useful, but it's hardly a farm, seeing as, unless there's a hidden mechanic I missed somehow, it's entirely possible for an entire year to pass before seeing X Y Z specifically as a combination. That's more akin to rolling the lottery once a day, and just making sure you are prepared on the off chance your number comes up.

[Firetempest]

We don't know the extent or possible future extent of Empyrean objectives and available loot. May be the alternative resource point for some current open world content. But as it is. Open roam content has its own rewards to pull people into doing said content. Unfortunately they are islands of content separated from the bulk of the game. The Devs are keenly aware of this and mention it as such. Yet there certainly is no promised future movement to the contrary right now. And you may end up not even liking Empyrean so 🤷‍♂️

[Nssheepster]

1 minute ago, Firetempest said:

We don't know the extent or possible future extent of Empyrean objectives and available loot. May be the alternative resource point for some current open world content. But as it is. Open roam content has its own rewards to pull people into doing said content. Unfortunately they are islands of content separated from the bulk of the game. The Devs are keenly aware of this and mention it as such. Yet there certainly is no promised future movement to the contrary right now. And you may end up not even liking Empyrean so 🤷‍♂️

My, admittedly limited, understanding of Empyrean is that it will be a clan specific system, correct?

Clan specific systems leave you reliant on other players to play the game. For those with a good, active clan, that's no issue. For those without..... Somehow, I don't think the grind to make your own clan and do all the Empyrean content yourself, or even with three friends for a single squad, is going to be very obtainable. I'm aware some veteran players have made their own clans, after a long, long time playing the game. I'm even in one of them, a clan specifically for people who want to get the clan research and get out, rather than be stuck in a clan. But as far as I can tell, unless you are a really bored veteran with a lot of resources, there's just no way you're making your own fully fleshed out/researched clan in under a year.

I realize I said "even if it's longer".... But somehow, I didn't think a year would be the alternative. 🙂

[Syasob]

28 minutes ago, Nssheepster said:

Is there a way for me to get these things, without entering the Plains or the Orb Vailis?

This post wasn't looking for suggestions for "How to make this unpleasant thing less bad/faster". It was honestly looking for the ability to NOT enter the open world areas, and engage with the systems that are currently bound to them. Amps were specifically not mentioned seeing as their usage is IN the open worlds. The rest however can be used anywhere... If you are willing to grind in the open worlds.

Buy them for plat. And there're many ways to get plat without buying it for real money or entering open worlds. 

[Firetempest]

6 minutes ago, Nssheepster said:

My, admittedly limited, understanding of Empyrean is that it will be a clan specific system, correct?

Clan specific systems leave you reliant on other players to play the game. For those with a good, active clan, that's no issue. For those without..... Somehow, I don't think the grind to make your own clan and do all the Empyrean content yourself, or even with three friends for a single squad, is going to be very obtainable. I'm aware some veteran players have made their own clans, after a long, long time playing the game. I'm even in one of them, a clan specifically for people who want to get the clan research and get out, rather than be stuck in a clan. But as far as I can tell, unless you are a really bored veteran with a lot of resources, there's just no way you're making your own fully fleshed out/researched clan in under a year.

I realize I said "even if it's longer".... But somehow, I didn't think a year would be the alternative. 🙂

The ship will be upgraded from the clan dojo yes. But it is a personal ship, they have designed it so it can be done solo with AI help. Solo clans are a thing and are quite common, you dont need to be a vet for them, its not that resource intensive, specially if you have already gathered most of the BPs from a leech clan. The time constraint is usually the forma per room.

Edited August 20, 2019 by Firetempest

[GinKenshin]

There is an alt way to get kitguns. Jut buy debt bonds in fortuna with the resources you have, it'll take a while but you'll eventually have enough to reach the required rank to buy kitgun parts