(PSN)lucasdefron Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 Storytime to help constextualize my point, cause i bet is all just personall opinion based on my experience not only with warframe but with other games also, love to read other people opinion and a why they have this opinion, to see trought the eyes of others and stuff so, nightwave season one came and go, i got rank 42 till i decide to do something else because i dont consider worth the time investment constantly rank up more than that just for 15 credits, so there was a dry season worst tham before the nightwave, cause there wasnt even the daily nitain alert, them the intermission came for same from the boredon but for some reason it have zero prestige ranks, so was boredom again and now, in nightwave season 2 the prestigue rank is only worth 15 credits, while during the progression to rank 1 to 30 i got 50, like what definition of "prestige" is that in a mmorpg that ive played a long time ago prestige was a reset from level 100 back to level 1, but with all the status that you already got( for thoses wondering it was mu ) so after my second or third prestige i felt so powerful that i could defeat all the enemies without a weapon, so the prestige in this game means goin back to the beginning of the history but with the strength you have at the end, and from there go beyond ultra, while in nightwave prestige means farming 40k standing to get the same amoung of credits you would recieve each 50k standing but without the added benefit of getting the other cool stuff, like the weapon mods,free space, potatoes, ship decoration and fashionframe itens so unless the pretige grows for each rank, like in prestige one(r31) is 15 but in prestige 2 is 20, but if is only 15 i dont judge the time investment as worth, not even for grind to get more orokin catalyst (that i desperately needs) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinnae Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 15 per prestige rank is more than you get per rank when averaged out, from 1-30. And if it's not worth it, don't do it. Seems simple to me. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sleepychewbacca Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, (PS4)lucasdefron said: snip. Sounds like you should be playing that mmorpg that you played a long time ago instead of Warframe. I mean, you seem to have made up your mind and answered your own thread here about it being not worth it to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mover-NeRo Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 After rank 30 its not meant to me rewarding. Its just something extra. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaPHENIX Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 The fact that credits are only obtainable through a few rank ups istelf is what bothers me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinnae Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 4 minutes ago, AlphaPHENIX said: The fact that credits are only obtainable through a few rank ups istelf is what bothers me. They're available for every level after 30. That is what this whole topic is about... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)lucasdefron Posted August 22, 2019 Author Share Posted August 22, 2019 yeah i did the calculation/observation, best case scenario there is a gap of 40k standing between each 50 cred, and with the prestige 15 per 10k thill i get to the gap i already got 10 more tham with the ranking up, but on the same gap ive got at least one item that is worth 20 platinum normally(like a space, a potato, maybe the mods if i put them on the same value as a sindicate weapon mod) and for the, if i dont feel like i dont play it, yeah agree, like i literally rather complain online about a system in a game tham play the game, but as far as i understand of game development or creating entretaiment in general, if the product cause boredom the product fail, time as all things have a subjective value, and for me the time i invest to get 10k standing isnt worth just 15 credits, even more when i already have most of the things that uses nitain already build and for the rare case i dont i have 40 reserved nitain(maybe thats the only reason i progress beyond prestigue 10 on season one) and without it what i have to do in game, like i already dislike one aspect of nightwave that the old system give me a small incentive to just do a random node on a random planet, without that is just get daily reward, check if theres a invasion with a drop that i need, pet my kavat and leave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnossosTNC Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 (edited) It is a little stingy, which seems to be an issue with the Cred economy in general. That said, it is after rank 30, and therefore probably intended so that if you want to stop, you can stop. Edited August 22, 2019 by KnossosTNC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)N7_Dredgen Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 (edited) I think the credit system overall is quite BS. I think you should get creds every rank 0-30 as well... What really bothers me is that pre-nightwave you'd often see things like 2 different helmets a day in alerts, etc. and if you played just 3-4 hours in a given day, you had as many chances at rewards as you do from an entire season worth of Nightwave creds. The direct pathing was a nice change, however I think the cred economy needs to be balanced more. The amount of rewards I can buy with credits from Nightwave in one season vs the amount of rewards I could have hypothetically gotten running old alerts during that same period of time don't even come remotely close to stacking up. Edited August 22, 2019 by (PS4)Zuzu_with_a_Z 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaPHENIX Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, sinnae said: They're available for every level after 30. That is what this whole topic is about... Some people don't have the time to go anywhere near 30. Wether they want to or not. While not personally one of them, I undestand the struggle and thus suggest that instead of stupidly low amounts of nitghwave standing, those [insert name of hostile here] that invade your session from time to time, give credits. Amount is up for debate, but an alternetive is needed. Edited August 22, 2019 by AlphaPHENIX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinnae Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 If you don't have time to do the content, you don't deserve the rewards for that content. People just want things for free...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSG501 Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 (edited) Glad I didn't rush to get my last few points... 15 credits per rank is kind of lacklustre but at the same time the majority of players who get to this level won't actually have much to spend the creds on anyway because they'll most likely have everything in the store (outside of kuva, we always need kuva lol, and I suppose nitain for those that missed the old alerts).... I said from day 1 that cred store was a bad deal for newbies while at the same time being pretty much a complete waste of time for long term players who managed to snag all the aura's etc, in all honesty this is still the case. The most ironic thing about the cred store and getting creds as rewards from rank 30 is that the players that actually could make use of the creds are the players that will also struggle to hit rank 30 before the season ends... Edited August 22, 2019 by LSG501 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinnae Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 Like Knossos said, if the post-30 rewards were really, really good, you would basically be obligated to farm as hard and as much as possible, leading to burnout. Prestige ranks should "feel" optional. If you could gain huge amounts of potatoes, it would be a "can't miss" activity, and that's unhealthy. Kinda like how people regularly lose their minds grinding forma from Plague Star and often just log out and not log back in for months once they're done. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)lucasdefron Posted August 22, 2019 Author Share Posted August 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, AlphaPHENIX said: Some people don't have the time to go anywhere near 30. While not personally one of them, I undestand the struggle and thus suggest that instead of stupidly low amount of nitghwave standing, those [insert name of hostile here] that invade your session from time to time, give credits. Amount is up for debate, but an alternetive is needed. thats one way of combating the boredon, like farming on capture missions for them, or havin a rat and mouse system similar to how the acolites work, like imagine havin nora saying that the {inserit bad guy of the season} are riotin in venus, so you do a random mission there to seek and destroy them, and get some credits and intel on witch node the {inserit seasonal miniboss here} so you fight them to get even more creds and maybe farm for {inserit wolf sledge equivalant} while at it, but this huntdown only be available after reaching rank 30 prestige one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaPHENIX Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, sinnae said: If you don't have time to do the content, you don't deserve the rewards for that content. People just want things for free...? Oh boy, we are going there now. How should I explain this in a way you would understand? It's not that they want things for free, it's that they would like to whatever amount of time they do get to spent doing the content, feel worth it. Just because a currency isn't listed on your bank account, doesn't mean you want to feel like you are wasting it. Edited August 22, 2019 by AlphaPHENIX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSG501 Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, (PS4)lucasdefron said: thats one way of combating the boredon, like farming on capture missions for them, or havin a rat and mouse system similar to how the acolites work, like imagine havin nora saying that the {inserit bad guy of the season} are riotin in venus, so you do a random mission there to seek and destroy them, and get some credits and intel on witch node the {inserit seasonal miniboss here} so you fight them to get even more creds and maybe farm for {inserit wolf sledge equivalant} while at it, but this huntdown only be available after reaching rank 30 prestige one Easiest solution to the credits would have been to have every nightwave challenge include x creds, higher tier giving more etc and then remove credits from the rank rewards. We could get a set amount each week (fairly balanced, but higher than now, of course) over the course of each nightwave season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)lucasdefron Posted August 22, 2019 Author Share Posted August 22, 2019 (edited) 15 minutes ago, sinnae said: If you don't have time to do the content, you don't deserve the rewards for that content. People just want things for free...? not saying that, for the i dont have time there is already a good system to mitigate it, think bout it, only 3 of the five clips are showed and i already reach max rank, so theres next to no excuse for someone not getting the rank 30 reward would be fun to get a blue potato each 1 rank after max rank, yeah, but also ludacrus and wishfull thinking but what isnt fun is investing the time needed to reach 10k standing to get a meh reward, so i seriously ask you, whats the point of this quoted comment on this tread ? Edited August 22, 2019 by (PS4)lucasdefron removal of extra word Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinnae Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 19 minutes ago, AlphaPHENIX said: Some people don't have the time to go anywhere near 30. Wether they want to or not. 🤔 So you're talking about...people who don't have time to play the game, wanting the rewards people get from playing the game. I don't think you really need to explain anything, I fully understand. 😄 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaPHENIX Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 12 minutes ago, (PS4)lucasdefron said: thats one way of combating the boredon, like farming on capture missions for them, or havin a rat and mouse system similar to how the acolites work, like imagine havin nora saying that the {inserit bad guy of the season} are riotin in venus, so you do a random mission there to seek and destroy them, and get some credits and intel on witch node the {inserit seasonal miniboss here} so you fight them to get even more creds and maybe farm for {inserit wolf sledge equivalant} while at it, but this huntdown only be available after reaching rank 30 prestige one cat* and mouse I was startting to like the idea...then I got to the but. Let me just read that again to see if I missunderstood. [insert imaginary passage of time here] Ok, no. However, there is another way we could do this. Make the ''acolyte hunting'' alerts happen after, let's say, the final lore cutscene has been shown. Judging from the first season, there should still be a few days left after that, in which you can fit the ''epilogue'' of sorts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaPHENIX Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 7 minutes ago, (PS4)lucasdefron said: not saying that, for the i dont have time there is already a good system to mitigate it, think bout it, only 3 of the five clips are showed and i already reach max rank, so theres next to no excuse for someone not getting the rank 30 reward I've been missing some daily missions (due to reasons that aren't your concern) and am still at 25. Some people, have jobs, have families, ect. - missing just daily missions wouldn't even be half their concern, even with the catch up system...which by the way, is barely helping. Why? You need to do all of your current weekly challenges to get to the ones you missed...ya that's clearly not aimed at people who would be missing these stuff in the first place. 4 minutes ago, sinnae said: 🤔 So you're talking about...people who don't have time to play the game, wanting the rewards people get from playing the game. I don't think you really need to explain anything, I fully understand. 😄 No you don't, thanks for adding the emojies, it makes it much easier for me to get the memo and stop trying to hold an actual conversation here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)lucasdefron Posted August 22, 2019 Author Share Posted August 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, AlphaPHENIX said: cat* and mouse I was startting to like the idea...then I got to the but. Let me just read that again to see if I missunderstood. [insert imaginary passage of time here] Ok, no. However, there is another way we could do this. Make the ''acolyte hunting'' alerts happen after, let's say, the final lore cutscene has been shown. Judging from the first season, there should still be a few days left after that, in which you can fit the ''epilogue'' of sorts. dunno where i got the idea of two rodents hunt eachothers... but i got this idea from a mix of the ambulas fight , bounties in the landscapes and the acolite hunt, go to a mission and hunt a specific thing to get intel, them use that intel to track down the big boi and hunt him down, kinda like a one.. two.. punch, you get intel, use that intel to track down your prey, take him out of his hiding hole and finish him down, not that favorable when you are trying to grind trinity or saryn but on the bountie side of things where each stage you are getting a loot good enough to keep your dopanin pumping while also working toward the big heist and them the payday thats is what fun looks like to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trst Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 If the prestige ranks were too rewarding then people would feel obligated to reach the highest rank they possibly could. Suddenly the FOMO people put themselves through from not understanding the requirements to hit rank 30 in a season hits a more understandable level; suddenly every missed daily and act one is unable to complete becomes a direct loss of rewards you can't get back. At least currently losing out of 15 cred isn't a terrible loss. When considering Catalysts or Reactors you're looking at 5 prestige ranks to get one which is more than a weeks worth of acts. The more rewarding these ranks are the more potential items you risk losing out on. Really making them more rewarding would just make people upset that they can't put the time into getting them and the people who can will get burnt out. After all these types of reactions are why nothing in this game is exclusive anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinnae Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 Yep, everything trst said. There's a general progressive sentiment amongst gamers that capitalizing on your playerbase's FOMO (fear of missing out) is quite a predatory and scummy practice. Destiny gets criticism that it forces player engagement by staging very limited-time events with cosmetics that are way better than anything you can get through normal, slowly-paced play. We don't want prestige ranks to shower you in orokin catalysts, because then it would feel really, really bad spending time doing anything other than grinding prestige ranks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackHargreav Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 (edited) You shouldn't get more creds just because you spent more of your time than others. Edited August 22, 2019 by JackHargreav Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)lucasdefron Posted August 22, 2019 Author Share Posted August 22, 2019 5 minutes ago, AlphaPHENIX said: I've been missing some daily missions (due to reasons that aren't your concern) and am still at 25. Some people, have jobs, have families, ect. - missing just daily missions wouldn't even be half their concern, even with the catch up system...which by the way, is barely helping. Why? You need to do all of your current weekly challenges to get to the ones you missed...ya that's clearly not aimed at people who would be missing these stuff in the first place. if they where i would ask them,so no worries, for a king dont need to tell that he is the king but the system i mention is the only needing 60% more or less for getting maxed out, last season i was i believe 20k behing cause i could not do the spider fight and i sucked at eidolon fight, and still managed to get rank 42, mostly because in one free weekend or one good day( for sunday is sacred) i could do most if not all the weekly and elite weekly, same during the intermission and this season but in this season i did better because i now can do both the spiderfight and the capture the hydrolist challenge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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