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In these hours I have seen many topics similar to this that I am going to do and I don't want to create flame or uncivil discussions, mine will be an analysis by a strong Warframe fan who in these hours is also fighting with some friends to make him understand that the game still deserves.

In the last few hours many Warframe partners are leaving the game (iFlynn, The Reaper Hunter and MCGamerzCZ) and with them many people I met on Warframe who find themselves in the discussions made in the videos of the various partners.

The focal point of these videos is: the game is stopped. There is no incentive to play, Nightwave ok you have a new way to alert but get to tier 30 for what a suit operator? The event just finished Dog Days was a disappointment (I finished the whole night playing 9 hours straight) where you either played afk or killed you didn't change anything and you had to farm and farm for balls? Yes the farm is the core game of Warframe we all know, we all spend hours grinding to level and farm resources to craft stuff but seriously after you've done all what you've earned? But I like to farm and that's right, Warframe is also billeted on this (unfortunately not on the scale of the enemies xP). 

The problem that many are noticing now is simply: there is no news. Is Gauss coming next week, but is Gauss really a content? No. You make it then you bring it to 30, form it, form again, end. This is done in 30 minutes without problems and then? You have finished everything. Many praise the Second Dream quest when it was introduced in 2015 because it introduced new mods, new lore to the game, a lot of plot and desire, and the following year came The War Within with a new tileset, other mods and new gameplay. Yes we have had Cetus and Fortuna in their turn after 1 year, and Fortuna has improved a lot compared to Cetus and this has been great but it is repeating the same thing it did not introduce anything new except the Profit Taker which in my opinion is the best boss in Warframe because it is balanced and fun. Doing Cetus and doing Fortuna leads to the same things: standing for the main associations and farming minerals.

In my opinion the most depressing question is the quests: The New War was announced with a teaser at the tennocon 2018 and will be released in December 2019, ie much more than a year. Between 2015 and 2016 there were quests in a row like that of Titania or Suda which introduced other lore, why did this stop? The Warframe lore is wonderful because having to do a 5 minute prologue where you have to spend 1000 ducats at the end and then having to leave the players waiting for almost 2 years for an upcoming quest?

Yes DE is an indie studio and they are at work on Railjack and The New War right now, I know very well and I'm very happy about it but we know very well that this game has bugs that have been there for years and that make frustrating many times the gaming experience. Wouldn't it be better to do short but interesting content with really fun events and maybe more bug fixes instead of blocking the game for 1 year?

I am Italian and our last partner (DesRPG) asked for the removal of the partner at the end of last year, mainly for the same reasons as The Reaper or MCGamerzCZ today, that is, there are no news that lead to play. A skin is not interesting and does not add anything to the game. The game needs quests, events that make you want to speculate on the lore and in the meantime have fun but this is no longer the case. From Fortuna the game is stopped. Yes I know very well that Profit Taker and Exploiter Orb are coming soon after and the Gas City rework has arrived, but the Gas City rework has added gameplay? NO! We must always do Survival, Interceptions, Defense, Mobile Defense. Yes the new way to farm hexnon is fun the first 10 times but then you get to the problem that has no interesting rewards so why do it? How to date why one should do 4 hours of survival? There is no incentive for those who want to play longer to do so.

I believe the time has come to change course and update the game much more frequently and add really content. A Warframe and 2 new weapons that will arrive in late August are not game content.

 

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8 minutes ago, dw3t said:

I believe the time has come to change course and update the game much more frequently and add really content. A Warframe and 2 new weapons that will arrive in late August are not game content.

Are Railjack and the New War not content then?

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8 minutes ago, dw3t said:

but the Gas City rework has added gameplay? NO

Actually yes it did, it brought along a new game mode and a new boss. 

You know it seems like you guys forget how long game development actually takes. They are adding emperyan soon, that will give us a lot of content, that you guys will consume in a week and then start crying again. Give them time, play other games and then come back to Warframe. Geez.

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Just now, (XB1)Skippy575 said:

Are Railjack and the New War not content then?

Railjack and The New War not are in August mainline update 😐 I speak of Gauss and her two new weapons. A weapon is content?

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1 minute ago, Sajochi said:

Is this just an elaborate way to say "Partners are leaving, so Warframe is dying, so start panicking"?

No. These are the discussions I'm reading about the various Warframe groups I'm a part of. My speech is not about partners but about the distance between one update and another and how much of these updates is real content at game.

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1 minute ago, dw3t said:

Railjack and The New War not are in August mainline update 😐 I speak of Gauss and her two new weapons. A weapon is content?

Gauss is a dude.

Disruption is getting more nodes, there's a new frame and weapons. That's all they've said so far, yes, but what's wrong with surprises? It's doubtful but they could have some other stuff releasing.

The content you're asking for is coming later this year. They're working on it.

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Easy solution:  Play other games.

Last I checked, Warframe was not the only game on the market.  Or did I miss a memo?

Personally, I alternate between 3-6 games, Warframe included, at any given time.  Otherwise, I would burnout and write a long post regarding Warframe's lack of content.

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9 minutes ago, dw3t said:

Wouldn't it be better to do short but interesting content with really fun events and maybe more bug fixes instead of blocking the game for 1 year?

That's the thing, DE is trying to do both but failing miserably and not admitting to that 

 

And quests aren't being more frequent like in the past because they're production is a lot bigger these days, plus in the old days they didn't try juggling between the big project and a new lore quest, it was just a lore quest. These days we have open worlds and railjack being developed alongside these quests, which takes time 

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1 minute ago, (XB1)Skippy575 said:

Gauss is a dude.

Disruption is getting more nodes, there's a new frame and weapons. That's all they've said so far, yes, but what's wrong with surprises? It's doubtful but they could have some other stuff releasing.

The content you're asking for is coming later this year. They're working on it.

I know very well that I'm writing in the topic and I'm really excited but who doesn't say that it won't delay like the rework of Gas City?

 

Just now, Strontium-Dog said:

I think that's the point he is trying to put across.

Yes. There is too much distance between updates.

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Just now, dw3t said:

No. These are the discussions I'm reading about the various Warframe groups I'm a part of. My speech is not about partners but about the distance between one update and another and how much of these updates is real content at game.

Because the devs are doing larger content updates a few times a year vs pumping out x weapon that is immediately dismissed if it doesn't one shot a level 500 Bombard without mods? 

Honestly, I prefer the current content pace. It gives me time to explore stuff already in the game. But guess my preference plays a non-factor once a partner, who has no one to blame but themselves for their own boredom btw, decides they want to play the "I quit, look at me quitting, look how hard I'm quitting" card.

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2 minutes ago, GinKenshin said:

That's the thing, DE is trying to do both but failing miserably and not admitting to that 

 

And quests aren't being more frequent like in the past because they're production is a lot bigger these days, plus in the old days they didn't try juggling between the big project and a new lore quest, it was just a lore quest. These days we have open worlds and railjack being developed alongside these quests, which takes time 

I know very well that it is in development and I am really anxiously waiting for it to arrive but nothing is given to the player in the meantime. My argument is: why not create events or quests for new Warframe like that of Titania or Octavia that give and incentivize even the game plot would already be more than enough.

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Just now, Caine2112 said:

Easy solution:  Play other games.

Last I checked, Warframe was not the only game on the market.  Or did I miss a memo?

They are streamers, can't juggle 20 games and expect a stable audience. And warframe is proving to be worst choice for a streamer. So they are leaving it, because they can't continue and thrive with it. Nothing DE can't be criticized for? Let me tell you something, DE didn't keep me in the game, YouTube's showed me how to play and stuff. So, I would be long gone if it were not for them. 

What does DE care for these days? Guitars, skins and Jojo references. Not their partners. 

So, as you said, they are making the right choice. Why support a game that's not sustainable for your channel. 

And white knights will never see DE's fault in this. They will keep playing their banjo and enjoy new bootylicious skins week after week. 

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Just now, dw3t said:

I know very well that I'm writing in the topic and I'm really excited but who doesn't say that it won't delay like the rework of Gas City?

 

Yes. There is too much distance between updates.

Then they'll announce that it's getting delayed. Better for DE to release stuff when it's ready as opposed to stating a date and then having to move the date. People go nuts. 

Gas City was different though, that was a whole tileset revamp, delaying that was fine.

And what do you expect? Making new stuff takes time.

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I mean.... Why would DE do that when they're swimming in users anyway ?

The Partners Are leaving because they are no longer satisfied with how DE is going about things.... yet at the same time other players are sticking around because they are satisfied with the type of "Content" that's coming out....

Soooo.... why should DE update anything ? Everytime somone leaves they just get replaced by 10 New Players....

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3 minutes ago, --C--Nehra said:

They are streamers, can't juggle 20 games and expect a stable audience. And warframe is proving to be worst choice for a streamer. So they are leaving it, because they can't continue and thrive with it. Nothing DE can't be criticized for? Let me tell you something, DE didn't keep me in the game, YouTube's showed me how to play and stuff. So, I would be long gone if it were not for them. 

What does DE care for these days? Guitars, skins and Jojo references. Not their partners. 

So, as you said, they are making the right choice. Why support a game that's not sustainable for your channel. 

And white knights will never see DE's fault in this. They will keep playing their banjo and enjoy new bootylicious skins week after week. 

Quote. Thanks for understanding 🙂

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1 minute ago, --C--Nehra said:

They are streamers, can't juggle 20 games and expect a stable audience. And warframe is proving to be worst choice for a streamer. So they are leaving it, because they can't continue and thrive with it. Nothing DE can't be criticized for? Let me tell you something, DE didn't keep me in the game, YouTube's showed me how to play and stuff. So, I would be long gone if it were not for them. 

What does DE care for these days? Guitars, skins and Jojo references. Not their partners. 

So, as you said, they are making the right choice. Why support a game that's not sustainable for your channel.

Youtuber/streamer "culture" is cancer and the partner program is useless. They might as well scrap it completely.

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Honestly I feel like the game used to have more updates. But actually if you think about it those many updates didn't bring anything gameplay wise. They were mostly weapons armors etc.

I might remember incorrectly but the quests weren't that frequent. Also those old quest didn't do anything really, you got some story to listen to while you were doing the exact same missions you did before.

Of course I would like to see more frequent updates but right now we get a lot with one slow update at least those who don't play the game like it's their job.

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1 minute ago, dw3t said:

I know very well that it is in development and I am really anxiously waiting for it to arrive but nothing is given to the player in the meantime. My argument is: why not create events or quests for new Warframe like that of Titania or Octavia that give and incentivize even the game plot would already be more than enough.

They can do that, but have fun waiting even longer for the main lore quests. They stopped doing those simply because they take too much dev time. It sucks, I know. 

They need new ways to give us warframe related lore like comics or codex entries or whatevers

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