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2 hours ago, (XB1)Skippy575 said:

Are Railjack and the New War not content then?

One comes in DECEMBER and the other who the hell knows when it drops. You saying it's fine to continue having no content from now to December?

I love how people like Rio have spoken about this, yet this community is simply so blind to what is happening to the point they legitimately seem to think it's fine to spend months with zero real content.

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PvEvP is the kind of sustainable content this game needs. It would take long to implement but would be something fun that people can play nonstop not for the rewards but just for the sake of fun, over and over and over. If other games can make me do that then so can Warframe.

If u guys wanna have an idea of what im thinking they could implement, search Squadron Tower Defense, it's a Starcraft 2 custom mode and i think it could be adapted to this game to be immensely fun.

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2 minutes ago, Doc.Pyro said:

This is just my opinion and I don’t want to offend anyone with this!

The main problem - in my eyes - is that the game is in the middle of an identity crisis around what it want to be. The good old loot shooter it is (/was), with the focus around endurance runs and farm events, or the new „rpg“ direction, with things like cetus and fortuna.

I think many old players quitting the game right now had wishes in the old direction which was mixed with many events and quests (short and long).

The new direction is rpg and casual focused (= many new players). But this new dieection is something many veterans don‘t want. The result: they quitt.

For example most of my friends did quitt the game due to the new direction and even for me there is not realy any reason to log in anymore. Cetus and Fortuna are boring for me because thats not what Warframe was for me in the last 6 years.

It was always exciting when they announced the next event (with leaderboards) and the whole clan started the race for the top 100. Every new (little) quest was an highlight.

Now it takes more and more time between content due to the ressources bound by projects like cetus or fortuna or giant cinematic queats. I think this is something we have to get used to. The playerbase will raise for sure but they will start to be a periodic playerbase which will come in for the new content and pause playing until the next.

The first symptom for this is Nightwave which is nothing more than a battlepass that trys to bind the players and „force“ them to play continous.

Exactly, although Cetus and Fortuna are also very beautiful and certainly interesting innovations, they do not stand out much from each other and this leads to repetitiveness without being incisive until it can be less frustrating. My proposal is precisely to reduce major upgrades and return to the early years with more frequent updates that encourage players to connect and have fun (this does not mean in any way that Fortuna or Cetus are not funny or that the game today is not fun for lot of)

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1 minute ago, DeathDweller said:

I'm here for 3 years and what i've seen after POE is that whatever they show on devstreams/Tennocon is the whole package.The potential is huge not only for Railjack but the game as a whole, only never realized, just the smallest fractions.Nothing from those 3 will address vets and that's because the game need to be put in order first, to put that line between new players and older and since there are no even plans for this so far i wouldn't have my hopes high for "endgame".I'm sticking till Duviri, if that fails to deliver then i'm out for good.

I agree, but to me the touchstone is Railjack. That is Steve's big dream and baby. The Keystone to the rest of Warframe. If it does flop, it is abandoned, left buggy and incomplete, I think that will be the canary in the coal mine. I think it will take a year maybe two after Railjack release, for DE to get its act together and figure out what direction they really wish to go down. Duvai is just another open world quest from what we know so far. Railjack is supposed to rejuvenate and tie together all of Warframe. See how that does, and then decide.

Warframe has infinite potential, it just needs full execution, attention to detail and long term commitment. Otherwise then I will decide if I wish to stick around or not. Hurry up and wait.

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19 minutes ago, CuChulainnWD said:

That is if there will be 5 year vets after 2018. From what I have been seeing, people play for a few months, get everything then complain they have nothing to do. That is the point I am making. The Vets were and are the foundation upon which Warframe is built. DE has been stripping that foundation from the game away, and thus many Vets are leaving. The community is changing also, and not always for the better because of it.

Warframe has a TON of potential, and it could stick around for many more years. It won't however if they do not start taking into consideration the concerns of the current crop of Vets. The points they are making are very valid to the long term sustainability of Warframe. As I said the carousel only spins so far on Vapid content before people realise it is time to get off and not worth sticking around for. Warframe has been around for 7 years. It is not because of the efforts of people complaining after they joined in 2018. It is because of the things DE and the community prior to that had built. The problem is much of what was built has been stripped. It shows and it is catching up to DE now.

Assumption for the sake of discussion. Personally, the day Warframe ends, either on my end or DE's, is the day I just quietly move on. Like I said in another thread, I have a personal written pledge to that effect.

And again, how is that DE's problem? They've already explicitly stated they want a game people can take breaks from and come back to. It is not a problem even in the industry at large; a lot of live service games go through cycles of player lulls and spikes, and all do fine. Again, if you're not enjoying it, take breaks, do something else, come back when new content arrives.

Players leave. They left in 2013, and they're going to leave now no matter what the devs do. Opinions need to be evaluated objectively. Just being there "from the beginning" does not automatically elevate them above everybody else's. To claim the contrary is the epitome of entitlement; it's "your game," therefore everybody else matter less than you. In fact, they are often biased by their experiences, as I demonstrated with the Void Keys and Raids.

As I said, it would certainly be nice to have sustainable content for both vets and newer players, but rose-tinted glasses and entitlement helps no one.

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2 hours ago, GinKenshin said:

They can do that, but have fun waiting even longer for the main lore quests. They stopped doing those simply because they take too much dev time. It sucks, I know. 

They need new ways to give us warframe related lore like comics or codex entries or whatevers

I want to tell me the truth right now.

Do you REALLY think that a game that gets as much money as Warframe, the "biggest F2P game ever" [outside of Fortnite, obvs], is simply so lacking in dev time and resources that they can no longer make QUESTS FOR THEIR MAIN SELLING POINT? Or that their dev time is just so tight that we have to wait half a year or MORE for one single content update? You really want people to believe this when even some indie devs deliver content faster than DE?

Even for something as simply as a deluxe skin for Titania, they've taken OVER A YEAR!! A simple skin......and it has taken over a year to make. I just cannot believe a company like DE has so few resources and time that even a skin takes over a year to make for them.

When even the Warframe partners are starting to speak out and flatout leave, something NEEDS to be done and it seems like DE just doesn't seem to care.

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4 minutes ago, Ephemiel said:

One comes in DECEMBER and the other who the hell knows when it drops. You saying it's fine to continue having no content from now to December?

I love how people like Rio have spoken about this, yet this community is simply so blind to what is happening to the point they legitimately seem to think it's fine to spend months with zero real content.

Rio is right in many ways. That said, for me DE has built up enough good will that I am willing to give them a couple years after Railjack's release to get it right, to see Steve's big dream for the game he wanted Warframe to be. At least get its bones together. Tie in all of Warframes current and future content. Rejuevenate the old content and address the major flaws we see.  If after say 1.5-2 years after Railjack is released, DE does not look at long term sustainability, replay-ability, player retention of the game then I will rethink where I stand.

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8 minutes ago, Ephemiel said:

One comes in DECEMBER and the other who the hell knows when it drops. You saying it's fine to continue having no content from now to December?

I love how people like Rio have spoken about this, yet this community is simply so blind to what is happening to the point they legitimately seem to think it's fine to spend months with zero real content.

Probably because we know they're working on it? Duh.

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2 hours ago, Strontium-Dog said:

Wait.....there's an outside now?

indeed it's called social life. i find it a better game than warframe nowdays lol 

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2 minutes ago, CuChulainnWD said:

Rio is right in many ways. That said, for me DE has built up enough good will that I am willing to give them a couple years after Railjack's release to get it right, to see Steve's big dream for the game he wanted Warframe to be. At least get its bones together. Tie in all of Warframes current and future content. Rejuevenate the old content and address the major flaws we see.  If after say 1.5-2 years after Railjack is released, DE does not look at long term sustainability, replay-ability, player retention of the game then I will rethink where I stand.

But I don't think it's a problem to wait for Railjack but why can't you have something to do in the meantime? Why must 1 year and 5 months pass for a 1 hour cinematic quest?

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50 minutes ago, Ikyr0 said:

I rushed the production with plat.

And there's one of your priblems. You rushed it. The community often has an eight hour session and plays through everything so quickly that no amount of content will ever be enough to satisfy everyone. 

Have you considered playing the new game mode just for fun and not for the rewards?

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2 minutes ago, KnossosTNC said:

Assumption for the sake of discussion. Personally, the day Warframe ends, either on my end or DE's, is the day I just quietly move on. Like I said in another thread, I have a personal written pledge to that effect.

And again, how is that DE's problem? They've already explicitly stated they want a game people can take breaks from and come back to. It is not a problem even in the industry at large; a lot of live service games go through cycles of player lulls and spikes, and all do fine. Again, if you're not enjoying it, take breaks, do something else, come back when new content arrives.

Players leave. They left in 2013, and they're going to leave now no matter what the devs do. Opinions need to be evaluated objectively. Just being there "from the beginning" does not automatically elevate them above everybody else's. To claim the contrary is the epitome of entitlement; it's "your game," therefore everybody else matter less than you. In fact, they are often biased by their experiences, as I demonstrated with the Void Keys and Raids.

As I said, it would certainly be nice to have sustainable content for both vets and newer players, but rose-tinted glasses and entitlement helps no one.

I am not saying being there from the beginning is the end all be all of Warframe.  What you are not hearing is the fact that Warframe is one of the few games that has managed to stick around for 7 years and has managed to retain many of its old Veteran players. There is a reason for that. You're choosing to ignore that significant difference. There is a far lager base of veteran players with ghastly large number of hours in game still sticking around Warframe for a reason, and many of them now are reconsidering that, for a good reason. Because what caused them to stick around, has been stripped away, and has not been addressed.

It is those same long term Vets that helped build the Warframe community, and make it what it is today, that too is changing with their leaving. These are not assumptions, they are observable occurrences. I am saying Warframe could have its cake and eat it too. They could address the Vets concerns because they are extremely valid, and this will lead to further new vets down the road, because they have a vested interest in sticking around for another 5 to 10 years. Right now as Warframe stands, no one has reason to stick around for long anymore.

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4 minutes ago, CuChulainnWD said:

That said, for me DE has built up enough good will that I am willing to give them a couple years after Railjack's release

.........if my jaw could literally fall from my mouth, it would've done so after reading this.

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3 minutes ago, dw3t said:

But I don't think it's a problem to wait for Railjack but why can't you have something to do in the meantime? Why must 1 year and 5 months pass for a 1 hour cinematic quest?

Why? Because DE did not follow the 7 P's.

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6 minutes ago, (XB1)Skippy575 said:

Probably because we know they're working on it? Duh.

Oh right, since we know they're "working on it", that means it's fine to wait a year+ for it!! Brilliant!!

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vor 2 Stunden schrieb (XB1)Skippy575:

Are Railjack and the New War not content then?

Yes it is content. Giant content which binds lot of ressources. Railjack is part of Warframes new direction which is extremly different from the old grindframe which main part where (grind)events (+leaderboards), endurance runs and many smaller and sometimes greater quests.

I play for 6 years now and in the past we had a lot of great events. Events which motivated clans to compete for the top 100. Which motivated most players to farm and play.

Cetus and Fortuna have zero motivation for me. I am forced to farm standing and have to mine and fish. In the meantime I see barely any enemy and dont get my other ressources, exp or mods which I would get in the same time in a challinging endurance run.

Warframe struggles at its own ambitions. They bind too much ressources for cetus, fortuna or railjack which leads to very long periods without content.

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Just now, Ephemiel said:

.........if my jaw could literally fall from my mouth, it would've done so after reading this.

I agree with you there too. That said, for me, Steve's big dream plan for Warframe is my last straw if it goes nowhere after that. I am trying to be realistic, basing that decision on the experiences we have all had with DE and Warframe. We know they have great ideas and imagination. We know they often half ass it, forget about it after a couple hot fixes etc. So, this is my gauntlet laid down to DE. This is their chance to show us they have their act together produce something that has been worth the wait,and do it right. After that, focus on what matters, and make the game sustainable long term, address old issues, and make regular smaller bite sized content in future until they learn to prioritise and organise their departments better.

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6 minutes ago, CuChulainnWD said:

Why? Because DE did not follow the 7 P's.

7P or 6 or 4 the important thing is to do something 😛 

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32 minutes ago, Ephemiel said:

yet this community is simply so blind to what is happening

Based on the person that almost hit me with a car the other day, I would say it's society and only the shrinking group of non conformists seem to see the issues.

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9 minutes ago, (XB1)The Neko Otaku said:

"Maybe it's time to updare the game"

Literally an update will hit around the next week

Yes, but stopping at the title of the discussion does not help the discussion. I know very well that Gauss and a new event are coming next week but what content does a new Warframe and 2 new weapons bring? My discussion is generally on the "content" and on the release of new updates that is far long .

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3 hours ago, (XB1)Shodian said:

Actually yes it did, it brought along a new game mode and a new boss. 

You know it seems like you guys forget how long game development actually takes. They are adding emperyan soon, that will give us a lot of content, that you guys will consume in a week and then start crying again. Give them time, play other games and then come back to Warframe. Geez.

You also forget that smaller companies like indie devs and devs for path of exile release content on a schedule every few months with less people. They release good stuff but it only last so long, you can play other games but these people also HAVE to make warframe videos to bring in income, not only that but if everyone just goes to play different games for a whole year and only pop in warframe for a week the game will decline. The youtubers keep this game alive because the game is so unorganized and confusing to most new people that they have to watch videos just to figure out where to go. So no everyone playing other games except once or twice a year is terrible for the game, and the devs can't use the small team as an excuse cuz other devs do more, with set dates, more frequently. And a lot of the things people ask for don't take forever to implement, half of it could literally be copy and pasted from threads there's so much feedback that people agree would be great. De is a good company but idk what they are doing and if railjack doesn't bring something new and sustainable the game will continue to push people away.

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if you are mr 26 or more in understand the situation...there is nothing to do anymore!

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