amp help

[Rannaor42]

So i'm pretty new to amp and i only got a 1-1-1 right now, i want to get all of the affinity from amps so should i build 

2-2-2

3-3-3

4-4-4

...

in this order

or this would be a bad idea? i know that people use different combinations of parts

any advice will be welcomed

[0_The_F00l]

1 minute ago, Rannaor42 said:

will this order will work?:

2-2-2

3-2-3

4-2-3

5-2-3

6-2-3

7-2-7

It will work as any other, 

May I suggest using 

https://semlar.com/ampcalc/222

And choosing something which you like?

If you don't want to waste resources best to make one suited to you. 

[GnarlsDarkley]

25 minutes ago, Rannaor42 said:

this would be a bad idea

because only the prism yields MR after gilding. So you are wasting resources for the higher Tier Parts. Cheapest would be 1-1-1, 2-1-1, 3-1-1...etc. Maybe look into Fortuna Amp as well so you can reduce the grind even more

[Rannaor42]

2 minutes ago, GnarlsDarkley said:

because only the prism yields MR after gilding. So you are wasting resources for the higher Tier Parts. Cheapest would be 1-1-1, 2-1-1, 3-1-1...etc. Maybe look into Fortuna Amp as well so you can reduce the grind even more

but i also want a strong amps as well as get all of the mr, will 2-1-1 be a weak one? 

[GnarlsDarkley]

Just now, Rannaor42 said:

i also want a strong amps as well as get all of the mr,

Then craft all X-2-3 (for Eidolons) or X-1-3 (casual missions) ones.

Shraksun and Lohrin are hands down the best combination for Cetus only Amps. The charged laser from the 1 scaffold is pretty nice for any other missions, e.g. Stalker oneshots

[0_The_F00l]

And x 2 7 is considered the preferred amp for eidolon,

Where x is personal preference for the prism. 

So the ideal amp doesn't even consider the prism which is responsible for the MR affinity. 

You can build however you want, just that the higher tier parts require rarer resources. 

So if you want to just get affinity, build x11 or x55 amps (lowest tier cetus and Fortuna parts) 

and whichever prism you like best you can use for the eidolon one. 

 

 

Of course you can completely ignore any one players opinion and do whatever you want. 

Edited August 24, 2019 by 0_The_F00l

[Rannaor42]

1 minute ago, GnarlsDarkley said:

Then craft all X-2-3 (for Eidolons) or X-1-3 (casual missions) ones.

Shraksun and Lohrin are hands down the best combination for Cetus only Amps. The charged laser from the 1 scaffold is pretty nice for any other missions, e.g. Stalker oneshots

ok thanks 😄

[Rannaor42]

1 minute ago, 0_The_F00l said:

And x 2 7 is considered the preferred amp for eidolon,

Where x is personal preference for the prism. 

So the ideal amp doesn't even consider the prism which is responsible for the MR affinity. 

You can build however you want, just that the higher tier parts require rarer resources. 

So if you want to just get affinity, build x11 or x44 amps 

and whichever prism you like best you can use for the eidolon one. 

 

 

Of course you can completely ignore any one players opinion and do whatever you want. 

will this order will work?:

2-2-2

3-2-3

4-2-3

5-2-3

6-2-3

7-2-7

[Rannaor42]

7 minutes ago, 0_The_F00l said:

It will work as any other, 

May I suggest using 

https://semlar.com/ampcalc/222

And choosing something which you like?

If you don't want to waste resources best to make one suited to you. 

ok i will try this thanks 🙂

[Diangelius]

57 minutes ago, Rannaor42 said:

-snip-

Whatever you choose, and if you can, try build all amps with Certus Brace, aka xx7. Void damage does not need status, it needs more crit rate.

[(PSN)CrazyBeaTzu]

Sorry to ask but what is the 1-1-1 stuff. I know amps and zaws use 3 pieces. Are you guys talking about a specific piece or different tiers?

[Rannaor42]

13 minutes ago, (PS4)CrazyBeaTzu said:

Sorry to ask but what is the 1-1-1 stuff. I know amps and zaws use 3 pieces. Are you guys talking about a specific piece or different tiers?

An amp consists of three components: the Prism, the Scaffold, and the Brace. The prism determines the main firing mode of the amp, the scaffold determines the alt-fire, and the brace changes certain stats on the amp such as energy pool or critical chance.

you can find more in the wiki: https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Amp

[MPonder]

6 hours ago, Rannaor42 said:

will this order will work?:

2-2-2

3-2-3

4-2-3

5-2-3

6-2-3

7-2-7

That's ok, don't use lega prisma for the amp for eidolon, seems bugged.

[Rannaor42]

3 minutes ago, MPonder said:

That's ok, don't use lega prisma for the amp for eidolon, seems bugged.

ok good to know

[(PSN)AbBaNdOn_IGN]

You only need one eidolon amp.   The x-2-7.   (I would NOT use the 7 prism on x-2-7, its a cool prism but its a energy hog)

Your missing out on a ton of cool scaffolds if you only ever use 2.   

Pencha, Klebrik, Phad are awesome for non eido fights.   Pencha is the charge beam,   Klebrik is the homing laser,  Phad is a killer blade that bounces between targets.  

Some prisms are garbage and dont need good parts,  just master them and delete.   But others are pretty fun and those you need the best....

Garbage Prisms: Raplak 1, Granmu 3, Centic 5   I would just use T1 scaffold and brace for those.

Good Prism:  Shwaak 2, Rahn 4,  Lega 6,  Klamora 7  For these you need to use cool scaffolds and the best brace t7.  

I made shwaak+klebrik,  Rahn+Pencha,  Lega+Phahd, and unfortunately I made Klamora+Shraksun.  Out of those my favorite all purpose amp is Lega+Phahd.  

I think shwaak prism is still your best combo with shraksun scaffold so you can easily clear out vormalysts...  Rahn and Lega suck vs vormalysts lol,  Klamora is probably awesome at it but like I said very power hungry lol.    

 

[taiiat]

what i would recommend, is that while you're at it with getting the Mastery for each Prism - try all of the Scaffolds. see how they work, while you're in the process of making a bunch of stuff to probably delete later anyways. a good opportunity, eh?

 

26 minutes ago, (PS4)AbBaNdOn_IGN said:

Garbage Prisms: Raplak 1, Granmu 3

Good Prism:  Shwaak 2, Rahn 4,  Lega 6,  Klamora 7

that's pretty contrived.

Shwaak is pretty overrated, it's basically useless except for hitting Vomvalysts(i mean i guess it's decent for dealing Shield Damage to the Teralyst as an early Amp before one has Focus or other Amp Parts to choose from due to its Multi-Hits on the Teralyst). it serves not much real purpose, especially since you could just Dash to Kill large numbers of Vomvalysts too. longer Range and also AoE.

while Raplak deals fairly considerable Damage, and having the highest Crit Chance certainly gives it a use.
meanwhile Granmu has signifcant DPS (and AoE), calling that 'garbage' is just hilarious. especially when you suggest that Lega is actually good (it's terrible - Amp Parts without good Crits are basically useless for Damage), and Rahn good (it's alright but nothing special).

 

it gets better, when you suggest that Klebrik is great for normal Combat - it's neat and convenient for Kuva Siphons but for actual Combat it's useless.

Edited August 24, 2019 by taiiat

[Rannaor42]

15 hours ago, (PS4)AbBaNdOn_IGN said:

You only need one eidolon amp.   The x-2-7.   (I would NOT use the 7 prism on x-2-7, its a cool prism but its a energy hog)

Your missing out on a ton of cool scaffolds if you only ever use 2.   

Pencha, Klebrik, Phad are awesome for non eido fights.   Pencha is the charge beam,   Klebrik is the homing laser,  Phad is a killer blade that bounces between targets.  

Some prisms are garbage and dont need good parts,  just master them and delete.   But others are pretty fun and those you need the best....

Garbage Prisms: Raplak 1, Granmu 3, Centic 5   I would just use T1 scaffold and brace for those.

Good Prism:  Shwaak 2, Rahn 4,  Lega 6,  Klamora 7  For these you need to use cool scaffolds and the best brace t7.  

I made shwaak+klebrik,  Rahn+Pencha,  Lega+Phahd, and unfortunately I made Klamora+Shraksun.  Out of those my favorite all purpose amp is Lega+Phahd.  

I think shwaak prism is still your best combo with shraksun scaffold so you can easily clear out vormalysts...  Rahn and Lega suck vs vormalysts lol,  Klamora is probably awesome at it but like I said very power hungry lol.    

 

thanks for the answer 🙂

15 hours ago, taiiat said:

what i would recommend, is that while you're at it with getting the Mastery for each Prism - try all of the Scaffolds. see how they work, while you're in the process of making a bunch of stuff to probably delete later anyways. a good opportunity, eh?

 

that's pretty contrived.

Shwaak is pretty overrated, it's basically useless except for hitting Vomvalysts(i mean i guess it's decent for dealing Shield Damage to the Teralyst as an early Amp before one has Focus or other Amp Parts to choose from due to its Multi-Hits on the Teralyst). it serves not much real purpose, especially since you could just Dash to Kill large numbers of Vomvalysts too. longer Range and also AoE.

while Raplak deals fairly considerable Damage, and having the highest Crit Chance certainly gives it a use.
meanwhile Granmu has signifcant DPS (and AoE), calling that 'garbage' is just hilarious. especially when you suggest that Lega is actually good (it's terrible - Amp Parts without good Crits are basically useless for Damage), and Rahn good (it's alright but nothing special).

 

it gets better, when you suggest that Klebrik is great for normal Combat - it's neat and convenient for Kuva Siphons but for actual Combat it's useless.

and thanks for giving a different perspective 😄 

so i think i'm going to just go

2-2-2

3-3-3

4-4-3

5-5-3

6-6-3

7-7-7

and then build my final amp

 

[(PSN)AbBaNdOn_IGN]

On 2019-08-24 at 6:00 PM, taiiat said:

Shwaak is pretty overrated, it's basically useless except for hitting Vomvalysts(i mean i guess it's decent for dealing Shield Damage to the Teralyst as an early Amp before one has Focus or other Amp Parts to choose from due to its Multi-Hits on the Teralyst). it serves not much real purpose, especially since you could just Dash to Kill large numbers of Vomvalysts too. longer Range and also AoE.

while Raplak deals fairly considerable Damage, and having the highest Crit Chance certainly gives it a use.
meanwhile Granmu has signifcant DPS (and AoE), calling that 'garbage' is just hilarious. especially when you suggest that Lega is actually good (it's terrible - Amp Parts without good Crits are basically useless for Damage), and Rahn good (it's alright but nothing special).

 

it gets better, when you suggest that Klebrik is great for normal Combat - it's neat and convenient for Kuva Siphons but for actual Combat it's useless.

Didnt know you could kill vorma from void dashing,  Just basic or does that take some school like madurai??   I wasnt just talking about eidolons/vormalysts though.  Shwaak does awesome out of eido fights.  

As far as Granmu to what situation are you referring to that it does great damage/aoe?  If your talking about eidolon fights then that sounds like a great prism to use with Shraksun.  3-2-7.  But against normal enemies that amp prism is absolute trash.  Cant kill anything.  (maybe it has been tweaked since I used it).  

Lega rips the crap out of everything non eido...  I kill stalkers, I kill sentients,  I kill nightwave assassins,  It was super helpful in Sedna boss fight for kiling switches.  Sure vs eidolons it sucks and even vorma.   But for everything else it rocks I dont know what the heck your talking about.   I do not fight eidolons that much so Lega+Phahd are what I always have equipped.   

[taiiat]

10 hours ago, Rannaor42 said:

and thanks for giving a different perspective

so i think i'm going to just go
and then build my final amp

sure. it just seems like the logical thing to do, eh? try the different 'guns', to see how you like them. outside of Eidolon Hunting you can pretty much choose based on what style you like, so might as well try it all.

fwiw, there's no need to try the Braces other than the Crit ones. the rest aren't worth using, even before you have Focus passives. try the 'Gun' parts, but the Stat stick can just go with Crits as nothing else is useful. (the newer Brace that tries to make a jack of all trades (the Plaga Brace) and it comes close to offering another option, but not quite)

 

1 minute ago, (PS4)AbBaNdOn_IGN said:

Didnt know you could kill vorma from void dashing,  Just basic or does that take some school like madurai??
I wasnt just talking about eidolons/vormalysts though.  Shwaak does awesome out of eido fights.  

As far as Granmu to what situation are you referring to that it does great damage/aoe?  If your talking about eidolon fights then that sounds like a great prism to use with Shraksun.  3-2-7.  But against normal enemies that amp prism is absolute trash.  Cant kill anything.  (maybe it has been tweaked since I used it).  

Lega rips the crap out of everything non eido...  I kill stalkers, I kill sentients,  I kill nightwave assassins,  It was super helpful in Sedna boss fight for kiling switches.  Sure vs eidolons it sucks and even vorma.   But for everything else it rocks I dont know what the heck your talking about.

Dashing and punching can both Kill Vomvalysts, they deal Void Damage just like your Amp.
idunno the amount of Damage Shwaak does is pretty underwhelming. and without much for Crits to help the Damage, you're then left with the second lowest Rate of Fire(which is what makes the Damage underwhelming).

Granmu does perform pretty solid for Eidolon Shields, but i was referring to in normal Combat, since that's what your Post was mainly referring to. Granmu can shoot more often than Shwaak, deals... most of the Damage Shwaak does per Shot in a single of its 3 Grenades, and those also have Crits to make them deal good Damage. while it doesn't have a large AoE to say the least, it's still there so worth mentioning. it literally deals about 30% more average Damage per Grenade than Shwaak does.

for pure Utility reasons sure (hitting switches that just need to take 1Damage). Stalker and Sentients are pretty vulnerable to Void Damage so everything is good there, heh.
i can guarantee you can Kill Zealots faster with different Amp Parts. like ones that can Crit. (or just your normal Weapons but that's not the topic)