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MR9 test difficulty since Gauss (?) update.

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Have you checked the MR9 (stealth kill) test lately?
Why would you. A friend struggled with it so I ran a test and those grineers are much more keen now.

I ran my live test 3 weeks ago easy, I basically crouch hid top of the columns when encroached. This does not work any more, grineers pick you out even high, across the map.
Also at start of phase 3, you could drop down to the edge of the ledge, crouch and wait for the 3 guards to walk towards you and pick them off when they turn away.
Now this happens: https://youtu.be/_4jVVS4tdB8

Did MR9 test difficulty get a boost for you too?
Or does MR difficulty scale with Quest completions? Like I did it before The War Within easy but my friend is now toast post it?

EDIT:
Fellow players have also confirmed the current extreme AI detection ranges in MR9 test Phase 3, so I posted this now under Mission BUGS:

Edit 2:
A tedious but fail safe solution that does not require any weapon or frame:

 

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13 minutes ago, srgtcolon said:

Now this happens: https://youtu.be/_4jVVS4tdB8

Thats a normal reaction from any Enemy as they have a about 20m detection range. I suggest he should visit the Cephalon Simaris and practice this test and or watch Guides to this Master Test.

 

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Yes thats a difficult one, took me a week to complete

 

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12 hours ago, (NSW)ThikFinger said:

I can't beat this mission at all. I've built the Redeemer, tried the stupid invisiblity sword from umbra. Nothing works. This might be the end of me playing. I just don't think the controls are good enough for me to even do this. My frame is jumping forward using melee, I miss jumps regularly in this game. I'm really thinking I can't keep playing cause I'm brick walled so hard. I've watched video after video. I can't make my character do the same things as them as consistently as I need to. I also don't know if I gain MR when I'm at a test so the grinding for levels and playing lower level frames and weapons isn't going to happen until I beat this stupid test. 

Just practising the test makes me want to quit the game. 

1. This isn't fun...and it's a wall for progression. 

2. stealth in this game is pure jank,

3. Watching videos of monkey see monkey do isn't fun either...and I'm not good enough to recreate those outdated videos. 

Why is this so hard now? What was wrong with people getting through it before the buff to the Grineer? Why make this gate so hard. 

I have so much stuff ready to go at MR9 too. It's a real bummer. 

Just use gara or excal any frame with blind ability and a Melee with high crit.

 

I completed it first try with gara and Pathocyst

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11 minutes ago, x_xGamerx_x said:

Thats a normal reaction from any Enemy as they have a about 20m detection range. I suggest he should visit the Cephalon Simaris and practice this test and or watch Guides to this Master Test.

 

Not sure about normal, but it is not what it was just few weeks ago.
Guards will now detect you crouching, up on the phase-2 ledge.
Here is a quick full run up to phase 3 (phase 3 starts at 1:40) : https://youtu.be/0B5c3pJ_IyA
Detection while crouching in phase 2 area!

 

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I can't beat this mission at all. I've built the Redeemer, tried the stupid invisiblity sword from umbra. Nothing works. This might be the end of me playing. I just don't think the controls are good enough for me to even do this. My frame is jumping forward using melee, I miss jumps regularly in this game. I'm really thinking I can't keep playing cause I'm brick walled so hard. I've watched video after video. I can't make my character do the same things as them as consistently as I need to. I also don't know if I gain MR when I'm at a test so the grinding for levels and playing lower level frames and weapons isn't going to happen until I beat this stupid test. 

Just practising the test makes me want to quit the game. 

1. This isn't fun...and it's a wall for progression. 

2. stealth in this game is pure jank,

3. Watching videos of monkey see monkey do isn't fun either...and I'm not good enough to recreate those outdated videos. 

Why is this so hard now? What was wrong with people getting through it before the buff to the Grineer? Why make this gate so hard. 

I have so much stuff ready to go at MR9 too. It's a real bummer. 

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4 minutes ago, Talinthis said:

i will show you what i did ages ago. i just re recorded it after like two years or something which was when i finished it for the first time. here.

 

Thanks, I did actually see your video :), but if you check the test now, you can no longer crouch hide at the start of phase 3 as you did.
See my video in the OP.
Or see this full run (based on your route) up to phase 3:
https://youtu.be/0B5c3pJ_IyA

 

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42 minutes ago, srgtcolon said:

Have you checked the MR9 (stealth kill) test lately?
Why would you. A friend struggled with it so I ran a test and those grineers are much more keen now.

I ran my live test 3 weeks ago easy, I basically crouch hid top of the columns when encroached. This does not work any more, grineers pick you out even high, across the map.
Also at start of phase 3, you could drop down to the edge of the ledge, crouch and wait for the 3 guards to walk towards you and pick them off when they turn away.
Now this happens: https://youtu.be/_4jVVS4tdB8

Did MR9 test difficulty get a boost for you too?
Or does MR difficulty scale with Quest completions? Like I did it before The War Within easy but my friend is now toast post it?

 

Banshee + Redeemer = Easy

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In your video you jumped down to the lower platform, I cant confirm it at the moment but i suppose you can crouch at the ledge when you dont touch the floor

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1 minute ago, srgtcolon said:

Thanks, I did actually see your video :), but if you check the test now, you can no longer crouch hide at the start of phase 3 as you did.
See my video in the OP.
Or see this full run (based on your route) up to phase 3:
https://youtu.be/0B5c3pJ_IyA

 

yeah i noticed that too. it actually caused me to fail the first time since they noticed me twice and i also overshot that jump on the last section and got seen too. they seem to have went to the eye doctor for an upgrade

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2 minutes ago, x_xGamerx_x said:

In your video you jumped down to the lower platform, I cant confirm it at the moment but i suppose you can crouch at the ledge when you dont touch the floor

See the end of the second video, now they detect even if you jump back to the phase2 area and crouch there!
https://youtu.be/0B5c3pJ_IyA

 

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To be honest, it looks like the devs made some tweaks to the AI, so it is less blind. In your videos i didn't see any cases of enemies seeing you through walls or anything, so I guess the tweaks are intended.

I don't know, maybe it is slightly overtuned in the last part, but it looks fine to me.

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If you have completed the Sacrifice quest, you can use the Skiajati melee weapon.  It procs a passive short term (5s) invisibility on finishers.

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4 minutes ago, (PS4)Grimfrost83 said:

Loki + Energy Siphon?
 

Please...abilities are disabled in this MR test.

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6 minutes ago, RunningChaos said:

Banshee + Redeemer = Easy

tbh i just tried this and on part 3 they detected me from miles away, from WAY far back on the part 2 platform. got seen 3 times lol. it worked better before.. somethin was definitely tweaked

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1 minute ago, Genitive said:

I don't know, maybe it is slightly overtuned in the last part, but it looks fine to me.

May I challenge you to try it and say this again? 🙂
Nah, don't bother, I posted now this to bugs.

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17 minutes ago, Talinthis said:

yeah i noticed that too. it actually caused me to fail the first time since they noticed me twice and i also overshot that jump on the last section and got seen too. they seem to have went to the eye doctor for an upgrade

thanks for checking, I posted this now to mission bugs:

 

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Be prepared for more of this bs 10 MR tests later; MR19.

Best advice: get used to the new alert range.  A lot of us older players breezed through these because of older mechanics (banshee+redeemer still works).  Deck out with all the Enemy Radar mods you have (they'll fit regardless of polarity, its only 6 or 7). Pay attention to the direction the enemy arrows are pointing on the minimap.

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I am in the same boat as you. The detection range has gone up dramatically. Or - the better "stealth" from crouching is broken. Or both. I'm nearing about 70 or so practice runs and so far only beaten it once, by blind luck.

I've tried using swords - whips, and now a kestrel. I've had the guard at the very end on the upper platform detect me when I'm on the lvl 2 platform.(!)

I also notice that the guard that walks in the middle sometimes turn to the left, and sometimes to the right when he reaches the front of the 3d room, making it even harder, as you never know which way he will look when you hind behind the front pillars in the room. If you kill him with a kestrel from being behind those pillars, the two guards at the back will detect you.

The randomness of his pathing makes it very hard, as you have to wait for the two guards in the back to have a path that does not line them up forward when he is walking forward - this can take a while - and while you wait you would like to be behind one of those two pillars that I talk about, or you can't see the rear guards pathing. And suddenly the middle guard turns the OTHER way and you fail. Yep, this happened a few times.

 

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Use Wisp. Give her a glide or a bullet jump mod. Stay in the air most of the time and just drop on your target to smash it before jumping again.

Ggwp ez. Got it first try.

People really tend to forgot how useful some warframe passive are.

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20 minutes ago, Talinthis said:

tbh i just tried this and on part 3 they detected me from miles away, from WAY far back on the part 2 platform. got seen 3 times lol. it worked better before.. somethin was definitely tweaked

Even from your spawn point?

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I just completed the test last night.

AI was extra alert but I just ran it with excalibur using the sword from umbral excal, and every stealth kill gave me a few seconds of invisibility, that I used to get the next kill.

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Guess I should upload a video of me cheesing this test with Wisp because people really don't seems to believe me when I say its the safest way of doing it. And in record time too.

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It's doable but all the solutions are just too tight. You can't just approach it with caution in the classic way and succeed. This isn't suited for someone on MR8, it once was.
Most tests you're doing them like no one's business and suddenly this pearl among the rocks. I did my MR9 Test way back and I didin't remember it as a challenge that I had to look up in the internet for a walkthrough. Now I had, on MR23

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