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2 hours ago, Krion112 said:

Second, Hardcore Conclave Players aren't seen as toxic for being good at Conclave, they're seen as toxic for the way they treat everyone else in regards to conclave. Offer any criticism against Conclave, legitimate or otherwise, and they'll come out of the wood work and deplatform your criticism, often on the basis of not being as good at Conclave as they are, which is easily the most arrogant thing I've ever encountered

I've been active in these forums for quite a while and can't remember anyone saying "i'm better than you so your feedback is worthless". Feel free to link any proof of that behavior you have found or report anyone doing it in the future since it goes against the PvP feedback guidelines provided by D20 long ago.

 

1 hour ago, BiancaRoughfin said:

You do know there are players using aimbot programs in Conclave?

Yeah, and luckily warframe powers and some mechanics allow legit playersto stand firmly against hackers. For example, Volt's Electric Shield has always been quite handy and become even better against them with the ability to pick it up.

1 hour ago, BiancaRoughfin said:

 I my self submitted a report a month or two back on one that was also posting his videos on Youtube.

I wouldn't be surprised if it was certain hack developer that keeps coming back with new accounts (yes, i've reported several guys who post their videos on youtube as well). There isn't much we can do as players other than report them, though.

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1 hour ago, LSG501 said:

Clearly my post went over your head....  conclave is seen as having a toxic community by some non conclavers and here we have a conclaver starting a thread openly saying they go out of your way to annoy less experienced players....

 

And that post by Megan doesn't really say anything about actually changing the main issues with conclave... for all we know they're just going to try and shove more PvP events in like dog days (that was basically PvP with AI) all while ignoring the fact that a large proportion of players didn't even like that and just basically went afk for the entire mission....  

That post also only appeared after the medallions had been removed.... DE basically has two main ways of trying to fix issues when they screw up (and they did here), brush it under the carpet and pretend it never happened or try and make out they're going to do changes to 'fix things' and then do the absolute minimum so it's essentially the same as before.  Seeing as they've not fixed conclave in the time I've been playing the game (around 4 years now) I doubt they're going to fix it in the few days/weeks they're going to spend on it now. 

Please link me to a thread as I’ve never seen these and again you like to highlight the terrible out of the community assuming one speaks for all. That’s the forms and Reddit of warframe in general being toxic. But again because conclave it’s seen as 10x worse....

 

you guys confuse me.

In one moment you expect everyone to be patient and wait on DE to no end. But when it’s something you don’t like it’s acceptable to point out flaws in the game thatve been needed to be fixed.

 it makes sense for that response prior to the UM changes because they know if they are going to keep conclave separate from UMs something would have to be done about PvP. 

The route they are taking I. Don’t know but the fact thats acknowledged is that they are aware and are going to be trying new things to make PvP better for everyone who wants these items.

 

regardless I agree with what your saying on how DE fixes things. But it hasn’t been this much of an issue with the majority until UMs were present. You can’t be serious. It took conclave for the latter of you to see that DE does this for almost everything they do. It’s sad. And I’m not trying to insult you when I say these things but you all have let this issue remain prevalent because it’s never really affected your group in a negative light. You created this ability for the devs to think this behavior is acceptable myself included all we can do now is hope for better changes 

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1 hour ago, Stormdragon said:

I've been active in these forums for quite a while and can't remember anyone saying "i'm better than you so your feedback is worthless". Feel free to link any proof of that behavior you have found or report anyone doing it in the future since it goes against the PvP feedback guidelines provided by D20 long ago.

No one is going to outright say "I'm better than you so your feedback is worthless", they're going to imply it, more becoming a concept like "You must be bad at the game because you're complaining about it".

As an example, you can just read the comment just a few posts above yours, quoted here:

3 hours ago, (PS4)BEN_drowned__ said:

I feel you, but I'd just call it "knowing the ropes" or something. Every weapon that's usable isn't good, which isnt the players fault at all. Im not saying it's okay, but you can't say its anybody else's fault if you didn't know a particular weapon was bad in conclave. Trust me, there is actually a lot of skill involved when you study what's going on. The learning curve is pretty bad because PvE is so brain dead, that it doesn't even require you to tweak settings or do anything besides shoot fat stationary targets, so I can't blame you for being pushed away from high speed parkour ninja pvp.

 

Also, I wouldn't call the movement unbalanced because everyone can do the same parkour. The mobility stat matters to a degree, but everyone is capable of the same stuff. If you're playing free for all, then you just gotta be smart unless you dont care about dying. I'm not gonna say I can shoot a bullet jumping ninja right out of the air in an instant, but it helps to know that they probably can't kill you while they're didging/running away so planning accordingly to be offensive or evasive is a good thing to do. I'm just trying to get the point across that conclave isnt just a bunch of people killing each other with bugs and bad mechanics. 

This entire post makes the assumption that I am unskilled and/or unfamiliar with Conclave. It implies that I haven't played or 'studied' conclave long enough and that PvE has made me (and/or players like me) complacent to 'brain dead' game-play. It's ultimately back to the point: Conclave players are dismissing feedback on the basis of skill (or the inferred lack there of, which isn't true, because I played Conclave for a couple years, long enough to get Typhoon and the cosmetics I wanted, and I think I became moderately skilled at it)

His whole position is that "This player is only criticizing Conclave because he doesn't understand it", implying that providing feedback that presents Conclave as incredibly flawed must mean I'm bad at Conclave, not that Conclave has flaws, when being good or bad at a game should not (and realistically, does not) qualify or un-qualify someone's feedback, and likewise presenting feedback on the gamemode is not indicative of one's skill.

So, I think I'm done with this.

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Lol Op give up man I play conclave and like it and as you said in your post it will never be in a good light so give up. If someone hates the mode they will hate it I can't say more than that. I think the mode is fun fast paced pvp that is actually well done. The community doesn't like it because it's not easy, it doesn't fit the games image which is a bs argument, and because they are use to just getting what they want. Sure I would like if the mode was worked on but at the pace DE puts out content I doubt conclave a mode that everyone is determined to hate will ever get the time of day. I'm honestly over the toxic thing because every community is toxic I don't care what community it is the bad parts are always just easier to spot this includes the general warframe community.

Just a general note to the people saying "I would go play some other pvp game if I wanted pvp" your argument is dumb I would go play guitar hero if I wanted that, I would go play a fishing game if I wanted that, I would go play an actual space flight shooter game if I wanted that. Warframe has alot of stuff in it that doesn't fit its image.

I can live with the small conclave community we have, wouldn't complain about new players cause no one is stopping them from joining but honestly I lost hope in warframe and its community a good while ago. I will say DE has gained an amount of respect back from me for choosing to actually not allow the uni meds in conclave, but it doesn't change the fact that pve has nothing worth doing, story progresses at a snails pace, and there is no end game. At least conclave is repayable due to the unpredictability of people.

This comment honestly requires no response because honestly why do you care enough to respond. You hate me, the mode, and probably a bunch of other stuff.

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Well what you said implies that you haven't studied it. My point was skill is involved and you're wrong about mechanics being abused by the people that are actually good

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1 hour ago, Krion112 said:

No one is going to outright say "I'm better than you so your feedback is worthless", they're going to imply it, more becoming a concept like "You must be bad at the game because you're complaining about it".

Oddly enough, i've seen that happen a couple of times but it's usually a fallacy used by some players to back up balance changes, usually along the lines of "buff this thing i like"/"nerf that thing i dislike" without using hard data to back up the reasoning behind those changes which makes them be easily taken down through a mixture of data and advice.

1 hour ago, Krion112 said:

This entire posts makes the assumption that I am unskilled and/or unfamiliar with Conclave.

I was writing a defense to his post but his reply proved me wrong before posting it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

16 minutes ago, (PS4)BEN_drowned__ said:

Well what you said implies that you haven't studied it. My point was skill is involved and you're wrong about mechanics being abused by the people that are actually good

Even tough agree with it not being abuse of mechanics that anyone can learn (even tough it may take a while for some people), i don't think it's fair to assume that others haven't tried to learn them or that aren't good at the game. There are plenty of ways to make your point understandable without making it sound like personal attacks.

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7 hours ago, SneakyErvin said:

How does the comment you quoted lead you to the conclussion that I'm ignorant?

Because I gave you the benefit of the doubt in assuming you weren't being intellectually dishonest and/or ridiculous.  If someone was inclined to cheat they would use the far more efficient, safe, and easy way to do so that already exists.  They don't need the convoluted imaginings you've concocted.

@StormdragonYou don't see me throwing a little fit that they reduced the drop rate on ephemera.  In fact I'd be just as irate someone whined about it and they reverted the change despite my already having farmed them.

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5 hours ago, Stormdragon said:

Respect and agreement are different things, while i respect your view of conclave, i don't agree with it.

It's understandable, i got burnt out of other stuff (like Exploiter Orb or nearly any other source of ephemeras) back when my only reason to go there was getting a specific drop. I still don't have them all, and you don't see me making a fuss because Teshin doesn't sell them and i don't want to keep playing those missions anymore. 

Yeah, even then it's not the first time De says something about a feature only to not implement it. We've been requesting a way to streamline matchmaking for years, Steve acknowledged that and said to have plans for it and still nothing has happened 3 years later:

You don't see us going for his head nor for that of every single PvE player providing feedback against DE doing some work for conclave. 

Perhaps for you and everyone else who just hates on it. If its removal was justified you can be sure DE would have done it long ago, it would not be the first time content gets removed from the game.

He’s only here to argue man. Ignore the poor lad 

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42 minutes ago, (PS4)BEN_drowned__ said:

Well what you said implies that you haven't studied it. My point was skill is involved and you're wrong about mechanics being abused by the people that are actually good

buddy I go into PVE missions from eidolons to survivals all the time with frames without meta damage dealing capabilities such as nyx, ivara, and nezha and routinely come out with 50%-70% damage, not because I'm a spin to win memeing striker or because I run around like a mad sweaty, but because I have slowly built my arsenal up to the point where there really isn't anything I don't have. no matter how good someone is at the game from a skill level, if they don't have good gear, they will never catch up.

I've also played quite a lot of conclave, and dragged friends into it as well. I can tell you that while the learning curve in conclave is steep, the gear curve is MUCH worse. Most people who I have introduced to conclave learn within the first match to never stand still, and by the fifth match their gunplay is getting close to mine (I'll be the first to admit that I lack the coordination to be called 'good' in conclave) But I have yet to lose to any of them, even ones who have played lots of skill based PVP games, for the sole reason that there are mods which give a hands down advantage to me and other higher ranked players which are only available to higher ranked players. They have slowly been moving away from this (heartseeker) , but some mod descriptions are still incorrect and I have seen conclave players actively deny these unintended affects in order to preserve their exploits.

While a gear gap is part of any PVP experience, conclave has the gear gap of a P2W game, but without the ability to buy your way out of it. And since there is not a decent matchmaking system (so even if there was a large enough playerbase for the matchmaking to change things, it wouldn't) anyone looking to try conclave is literally bashing their skull against a wall of players with higher skill/knowledge and a wall of players with gear that gives them a very unfair advantage. 

As for why conclave will not ever be seen in a good light, this thread is a prime example. The people in the "pro-conclave" crowd like to belittle those who don't play the gamemode, with several pro-conclave people in this thread referring to PVE players as if they are from not just a different game mode, but from a different game entirely. While all groups will have toxic contingents, Conclave players are considered especially so because there are very few to begin with and yet they still come out in droves on posts like this (relatively speaking) . Not to mention that in my hundred plus hours of conclave, I have encountered numerous ragelords in PVP lobby chats (and often after), far more than I have encountered in my thousands of hours of PVE combined (of which only 3 have PMd me after a mission). 

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On 2019-09-05 at 9:50 PM, (XB1)The Neko Otaku said:

Anyone feels like this decision from the latest hotfix is real terrible way if forcing us to play conclave?

No one wants to play conclave since warframe is not design in the slightest for pvp and well it's empty most of the time besides the one or two people who wandered in by mistake. I gitbupnto max rank with conclave and it was the worst experience i ever had with warframe,  i rather inflict self harm in may different ways than every attempt to farm conclave rep and ibreally want the skins but i have to play conclave........

Plus don't see why it's so bad the medallions only give a 1000 rep so if you really need something from conclace you're going to have to farm a few hundred of them to get to the good stuff.

 

Having people gas light on the idea to have A I bots to auto fill the pvp is also another loss. The goal of new content is to give us more ways to play the game. Pulling a ‘hot’ then ‘cold’ move pattern is a shameless way to loss consumers.

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9 hours ago, Krion112 said:

I don't think I know of a single action game that uses an unrestricted enhanced movement system that is actually popular.

GunZ The Duel was pretty popular back in the day. S4 League had decent popularity. It's a shame nobody makes these kinds of games anymore, all the non-indie games nowadays are just First Person Shooters or Battle Royales, with a few MMORPGs here and there.

2 hours ago, pantophage said:

conclave has the gear gap of a P2W game, but without the ability to buy your way out of it.

While it is unbalanced for certain mods to have significant effects in PvP, what you're saying is incorrect as the mods are tradeable and can be obtained from other players regardless of rank.

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8 hours ago, (PS4)sweatshawp said:

Please link me to a thread as I’ve never seen these and again you like to highlight the terrible out of the community assuming one speaks for all. That’s the forms and Reddit of warframe in general being toxic. But again because conclave it’s seen as 10x worse....

 

You said it in your own post at the start of this thread....

 

8 hours ago, (PS4)sweatshawp said:

you guys confuse me.

In one moment you expect everyone to be patient and wait on DE to no end. But when it’s something you don’t like it’s acceptable to point out flaws in the game thatve been needed to be fixed.

 it makes sense for that response prior to the UM changes because they know if they are going to keep conclave separate from UMs something would have to be done about PvP. 

The route they are taking I. Don’t know but the fact thats acknowledged is that they are aware and are going to be trying new things to make PvP better for everyone who wants these items.

 

regardless I agree with what your saying on how DE fixes things. But it hasn’t been this much of an issue with the majority until UMs were present. You can’t be serious. It took conclave for the latter of you to see that DE does this for almost everything they do. It’s sad. And I’m not trying to insult you when I say these things but you all have let this issue remain prevalent because it’s never really affected your group in a negative light. You created this ability for the devs to think this behavior is acceptable myself included all we can do now is hope for better changes 

I wouldn't exactly say waiting years (I'm at 4, some are even more) is being impatient would you.... all what's happening now is a kneejerk reaction because they screwed up with the medallion change and they can't go back on their decision.  They've had years prior to UM's to fix the issues but as you say yourself nothings happened.  Essentially there is no point getting our hopes up over it fixing the issues as past experience shows it's very unlikely they will, I can almost say with 100% certainty that the main gameplay issue (I don't think bullet jump suits PvP) for me personally is not going to be fixed.. 

 

To be fair apart from players moaning about needing to do conclave and posts about valid issues with the game mode, most PvE players didn't care about PvE because essentially most feel conclave is a rubbish game mode... it's only now in the spotlight again because a lot feel that a conclave player(s) screwed over the PvE community with their post on twitter...

Also not everyone tries to protect DE from their mistakes either....If you want to spend the time looking through my posts (I wouldn't I have no idea when I actually said it) but I have actually questioned why we don't give DE more grief for their failure to hit things like their own deadlines, if this was EA they'd be being slaughtered but for some reason DE gets a free pass.   I don't understand the 'blind loyalty' and even white knighters that DE has managed to foster.  Personally I'm of the view if you don't tell DE they screwed up they won't know they've screwed up.

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8 minutes ago, LSG501 said:

You said it in your own post at the start of this thread....

 

I wouldn't exactly say waiting years (I'm at 4, some are even more) is being impatient would you.... all what's happening now is a kneejerk reaction because they screwed up with the medallion change and they can't go back on their decision.  They've had years prior to UM's to fix the issues but as you say yourself nothings happened.  Essentially there is no point getting our hopes up over it fixing the issues as past experience shows it's very unlikely they will, I can almost say with 100% certainty that the main gameplay issue (I don't think bullet jump suits PvP) for me personally is not going to be fixed.. 

 

To be fair apart from players moaning about needing to do conclave and posts about valid issues with the game mode, most PvE players didn't care about PvE because essentially most feel conclave is a rubbish game mode... it's only now in the spotlight again because a lot feel that a conclave player(s) screwed over the PvE community with their post on twitter...

Also not everyone tries to protect DE from their mistakes either....If you want to spend the time looking through my posts (I wouldn't I have no idea when I actually said it) but I have actually questioned why we don't give DE more grief for their failure to hit things like their own deadlines, if this was EA they'd be being slaughtered but for some reason DE gets a free pass.   I don't understand the 'blind loyalty' and even white knighters that DE has managed to foster.  Personally I'm of the view if you don't tell DE they screwed up they won't know they've screwed up.

Referring to the start of my paragraph I take pleasure in playing conclave. Something that people hate so much that even others playing it makes them mad it’s sarcasm with that one because I don’t care what someone thinks as long as I enjoy the gamemode.

They didn’t screw up on the decision. At all. At least in my view. name one game with PvP exclusive items you can earn by doing a pve quest storyline or gamemode that’s currently doing well. I honestly think nobody can. And that’s totally fair. I don’t believe in any game whatsoever should PvP exclusive items be able to be earned through PvP. It’s not a gate keeping thing it’s just a principle of how gaming works imo. And with warframe everyone has access to PvP. (It May not be you cup of tea but hey) it’s there for everyone. While buggy and I do feel as if if they were to go and rework a lot of things I still feel as if the skill gap and skill sealing would be too high for the pve side to enjoy in general. And that’s okay.

and again the pve community hasn’t been screwed over at all. They still have accessibility to the gamemode like everyone else. It’s a choice of PvP on wf and in specific this style of PvP is for you. Which granted it isn’t for everyone. That’s okay. Personally you shouldn’t earn the PvP rewards without playing PvP. Please name a few mmos or rpgs where you earn PvP exclusive items or have a chance to earn them though pve related quest missions etc.... you can name a plethora of games that require thou to grind in pve before getting access to PvP or to be relevant in PvP however. 

 

And thats interesting. I apologize if you felt that I was labeling you as a white knight but to be frank you’re not doing much better then them. You’ve all been grouping a few conclave players for the general population of conclave. Trying to argue that one persons twitter post made DE change or revert this vs likely looking at other games discussing this amongst themselves and with a hint of twitter post. That’s what I’m not understanding. You all are acting as if the conclave community threw a fit overnthis when in reality we’re just defending this now 

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2 hours ago, (PS4)sweatshawp said:

Referring to the start of my paragraph I take pleasure in playing conclave. Something that people hate so much that even others playing it makes them mad it’s sarcasm with that one because I don’t care what someone thinks as long as I enjoy the gamemode.

They didn’t screw up on the decision. At all. At least in my view. name one game with PvP exclusive items you can earn by doing a pve quest storyline or gamemode that’s currently doing well. I honestly think nobody can. And that’s totally fair. I don’t believe in any game whatsoever should PvP exclusive items be able to be earned through PvP. It’s not a gate keeping thing it’s just a principle of how gaming works imo. And with warframe everyone has access to PvP. (It May not be you cup of tea but hey) it’s there for everyone. While buggy and I do feel as if if they were to go and rework a lot of things I still feel as if the skill gap and skill sealing would be too high for the pve side to enjoy in general. And that’s okay.

and again the pve community hasn’t been screwed over at all. They still have accessibility to the gamemode like everyone else. It’s a choice of PvP on wf and in specific this style of PvP is for you. Which granted it isn’t for everyone. That’s okay. Personally you shouldn’t earn the PvP rewards without playing PvP. Please name a few mmos or rpgs where you earn PvP exclusive items or have a chance to earn them though pve related quest missions etc.... you can name a plethora of games that require thou to grind in pve before getting access to PvP or to be relevant in PvP however. 

 

And thats interesting. I apologize if you felt that I was labeling you as a white knight but to be frank you’re not doing much better then them. You’ve all been grouping a few conclave players for the general population of conclave. Trying to argue that one persons twitter post made DE change or revert this vs likely looking at other games discussing this amongst themselves and with a hint of twitter post. That’s what I’m not understanding. You all are acting as if the conclave community threw a fit overnthis when in reality we’re just defending this now 

Your first paragraph also says you enjoy making other players angry.... which is essentially the definition of a toxic player...

Um you're saying that the pve community wasn't screwed over because you play conclave and technically only benefit from the change.  The pve community however, clearly feel screwed over by the change or there wouldn't be so much negativity over the change...

As to games that have crossover, to be honest I don't play enough games that have both pve and pvp to comment on that... if I want pvp I play a pvp game which is designed specifically around pvp.   Having said that allowing PvE players access to PvP mods etc via an alternative grind (and lets be honest the grind is huge if you just used medallions) wouldn't really have caused any major issue imo, if anything it might have gained players who might feel more comfortable playing PvP if they had access to some mods so they were on more equal footing to other players they get matched with. 

You say the conclave community didn't do this change, and several have said they had no issue with the medallions, but I didn't see conclave players coming in and saying no it's fine ignore the player who complained so there is a perspective where lack of action is just as bad as being the cause. 

Also it's not really arguing that it did change DE's view on the medallions because it's pretty clear that it was a major catalyst for them changing it, you might disagree with that but from mine and many others viewpoint that twitter post (and others like it) is essentially the cause of the issue we have now over universal medallions not actually being universal.  DE trying to 'fix things' by saying they're going to do something with conclave is clearly more about diffusing the issue or they'd have been openly saying in devstreams about how they're looking at conclave etc or I don't know done something in the previous 4 years of players complaining over the same things, which as we both know they haven't.

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6 hours ago, Heckzu said:

GunZ The Duel was pretty popular back in the day. S4 League had decent popularity. It's a shame nobody makes these kinds of games anymore,

Because they were niche popular, not mainstream popular.

Back then, outside of the hardcore gaming crowd I hanged out in, nobody heard of these games. Them being made by Korean developers explains why; this high speed pvp genre has little appeal in the West, that's why you don't find them here (and the small amount of ads I saw of these games didn't help).  Western developers know this, they're not going to risk it.  They play it safe and bet on the Fortnites and CODs.

The current conclave pros who mastered this high speed pvp action, they are it.  All of it. That number is not going to grow. There just aren't that many people inside a PVE-centric game who can or want to do that.
While Gunz is no longer officially supported, there are fan servers out there, certainly more populated than Warframe's conclave since 100% of that playerbase is there to pvp. It is also peer2peer but has a proper ranking system. (I think). I looked around in those forums and couldn't find threads complaining that people can't find players to play with so I have to conclude their playerbase is populated enough.

MAYBE if conclave as it is now was part of the core game since day 1 it might've gained enough interested players for it to gain traction and grow.  But it was simply added far too late many years later after WF has been an established PVE looter shooter game. The influx of pvp players now is just too small and slow for that traction to happen so it bleeds out pvp players as fast as it gains them. This is why other pve&pvp games out there fare better (usually MMOs), they were both designed together as one balanced game from the ground up.  Adding one mode much later as a watered down add-on tends to not be a success.

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4 hours ago, LSG501 said:

Your first paragraph also says you enjoy making other players angry.... which is essentially the definition of a toxic player...

Um you're saying that the pve community wasn't screwed over because you play conclave and technically only benefit from the change.  The pve community however, clearly feel screwed over by the change or there wouldn't be so much negativity over the change...

As to games that have crossover, to be honest I don't play enough games that have both pve and pvp to comment on that... if I want pvp I play a pvp game which is designed specifically around pvp.   Having said that allowing PvE players access to PvP mods etc via an alternative grind (and lets be honest the grind is huge if you just used medallions) wouldn't really have caused any major issue imo, if anything it might have gained players who might feel more comfortable playing PvP if they had access to some mods so they were on more equal footing to other players they get matched with. 

You say the conclave community didn't do this change, and several have said they had no issue with the medallions, but I didn't see conclave players coming in and saying no it's fine ignore the player who complained so there is a perspective where lack of action is just as bad as being the cause. 

Also it's not really arguing that it did change DE's view on the medallions because it's pretty clear that it was a major catalyst for them changing it, you might disagree with that but from mine and many others viewpoint that twitter post (and others like it) is essentially the cause of the issue we have now over universal medallions not actually being universal.  DE trying to 'fix things' by saying they're going to do something with conclave is clearly more about diffusing the issue or they'd have been openly saying in devstreams about how they're looking at conclave etc or I don't know done something in the previous 4 years of players complaining over the same things, which as we both know they haven't.

If you took the first part of the paragraph seriously dude... lol and I’m far from toxic but I digress to each it’s own. But either or I don’t go out my way to piss others off. I might find enjoyment if someone’s upset because. Of something I game exi play brawlhalla I win a match ppl are salty and rage at me I find that hilarious type vibe. That dosent define someone as toxic ? But again I digress nor do I need to explain much more to you.

 

and while it’s not a major issue it’s still not a very good aspect to have if holstering both PvP and pve. Try some of the above games mentioned. There’s no way to earn PvP exclusive items through pve but in many and if not most cases you’re able to use and earn pve rewards. 

PvPs rewards being only obtainable through PvP is a common practice because in general it’s a different challenge. The reward from going agasint acutall humans who may or may not have higher or equal skill to you is the challenge. And while the UMs wouldn’t be much of an issue it circumvents that challenge allowing people an easy way out. If you’re going to allow PvP as a gamemode in any game that’s not a good look. Because while people can still play PvP and earn standing and those rewards to do so. The next person can possibly and passively earn these rewards without the same challenge. The ideal of getting these rewards was the challenge faced. Not just in warframe but in every game with PvP and pvpe.

again your taking a few players and marginalizing them to the max. I don’t speak nor control the words for anyone else. everyone is entitled to what they feel is right. Just as if the roles were reversed I’d expect nobody to try to say ignore your opinion because it’s ... your opinion and it deserves to be heard if you feel like it’s important and you can express it in a respectful way.

again I’m sure that a twitter post isn’t that important to DE but again to each their own. Let me ask you this out of all the controversial things that they’ve done and people complaining on Twitter partners etc how come this is the only big case where it seems like “this twitter post” changed everything? Again if you can or if someone can link it to me so I can read it again because I must be reading the wrong one. The one you guys are referring to must be a MLA works sites essay with full on sponsors from teshin himself. Because the ones I read were good but not that influential. 

And again me and a lot of people just don’t feel like a pve method should have any sort of influence (in this manner should I say) to earn PvP rewards. It’s not in the spirit of PvP and while this may sound like gatekeeing (don’t understand how it would be) not fair for those who play PvP.  Imagine playing cod to get max prestige and your friend just played the co op story over to get max prestige? You think that would be a good feeling?

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41 minutes ago, (PS4)sweatshawp said:

And again me and a lot of people just don’t feel like a pve method should have any sort of influence (in this manner should I say) to earn PvP rewards. It’s not in the spirit of PvP and while this may sound like gatekeeing (don’t understand how it would be) not fair for those who play PvP.  Imagine playing cod to get max prestige and your friend just played the co op story over to get max prestige? You think that would be a good feeling?

Honestly considering how grindy it was going to be to get the rep from the 1k value medallions I'd have had no issue with them doing it that way, if anything they're going to be spending a hell of a lot more time levelling up than someone who is doing the PvP directly.

Hypothetically if I enjoyed conclave, had the perfect experience (I wouldn't) and there weren't the numerous issues that I feel it has I could technically be max rank in about a week, two tops, by doing PvP.  If I was going by medallions I could spend (someone else did the sums, I didn't need to do sums to know 5% drop rate sucks) 8 hours a day, every day, for a year purely grinding disruption hoping the rng gods are being fair so I might end up with the same standing....  personally I feel that's just as deserving as playing a (imo) bolted on PvP mode.... i we're being realistic medallions were never going to impact on PvP in any major way, that sort of grind is just not something the normal PvE player is interested in doing.. you only need to look at hema research to show that. 

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18 hours ago, Heckzu said:

GunZ The Duel was pretty popular back in the day. S4 League had decent popularity. It's a shame nobody makes these kinds of games anymore

I have literally never heard of either of those, which is a testament to their popularity. 

very few games like this are made because to put it quite simply, they aren't popular, and therefore struggle financially. not to mention they take a lot more work than games with simpler movement systems, so they are even more not worth it from a business standpoint. 

I think the most popular high mobility PVP game that I can think of was Titanfall, which had limited success, but it also intentionally added bots to pvp matches that were easy targets in order to artificially inflate perceived KDR to make the players enjoy the experience more. 

IMO conclave either needs to either dumb down its movement and be more weapon focused to be more approachable OR embrace Warframe's over the top abilities and movement, because as it stands currently, its got one foot in both camps, which leads to a confusing middle ground where most guns just feel useless against movement, and most frames abilities don't feel like they make a difference

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Once upon a time, there was a "sweatshawp" in the Conclave while I was running it... Bullet Jumping, high and mighty, like a rabbit on steroids... He/she though it would be safe to Bullet Jump far away from enemies while watching them fight each other, picking them off at a distance... And then, in the middle of a fast Bullet Jump, he/she gets a headshot from a Despair projectile from the complete opposite side of the map... This happened not once, not twice, but 18 times, all by the same dude... Then, the next match, he/she went Bullet Jumping, low and stealthly, like a snake using a trampoline, thinking that it would make him/her a harder target against headshots... But instead of eating with Despair projectiles, it was headshots with Hate in the most spectacular of airborne interceptions, 15 times, by the same dude... At the end, that same dude said nothing and left, letting this player boil in rage on how the hell were those 18 headshots, and those airborne interceptions with Hate, possible...

 

... That dude was me. And now, this OP is trying to present a complicated argument in such a convincing way, that he/she managed to shoot him/herself in both feet, legs and arms each time he/she replied...

 

... You can stop now...

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9 hours ago, (PS4)sweatshawp said:

If you took the first part of the paragraph seriously dude...

assuming you are being sarcastic in your first paragraph, to what end? 
What purpose does it serve your argument? 

there is no punchline to the joke, nothing that makes a point using that sarcasm. So we have no other logical conclusion than you just like to upset others.

In the same vein, this puts your whole opening statement in question and whether this thread is a good faith argument on your end.

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1 hour ago, Uhkretor said:

Once upon a time, there was a "sweatshawp" in the Conclave while I was running it... Bullet Jumping, high and mighty, like a rabbit on steroids... He/she though it would be safe to Bullet Jump far away from enemies while watching them fight each other, picking them off at a distance... And then, in the middle of a fast Bullet Jump, he/she gets a headshot from a Despair projectile from the complete opposite side of the map... This happened not once, not twice, but 18 times, all by the same dude... Then, the next match, he/she went Bullet Jumping, low and stealthly, like a snake using a trampoline, thinking that it would make him/her a harder target against headshots... But instead of eating with Despair projectiles, it was headshots with Hate in the most spectacular of airborne interceptions, 15 times, by the same dude... At the end, that same dude said nothing and left, letting this player boil in rage on how the hell were those 18 headshots, and those airborne interceptions with Hate, possible...

 

... That dude was me. And now, this OP is trying to present a complicated argument in such a convincing way, that he/she managed to shoot him/herself in both feet, legs and arms each time he/she replied...

 

... You can stop now...

Not the same sweatshawp man. My pc account has a diff name because and I changed my PS4 account name to this from  Nouharch personally I play banshee and get in peoples face to diffuse bullet jump and roll spam because her one is godlike in conclave. So it dosent match my current play style. 

 

Also if youd hit those hose clips I’d say your a god and I need you to teach me (serious ab that please do) 😗😗😗 

but I use hit scan weps in conclave I. Can’t do stuff like the hate and despair because it’s not in my favor. Try a shotgun and banshee if you like rushdown. Or Excalibur for balance. I’ve also heard that gauss might be good in PvP but idk.

 

if you play console I’d love to play you in conclave however!

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1 hour ago, pantophage said:

assuming you are being sarcastic in your first paragraph, to what end? 
What purpose does it serve your argument? 

there is no punchline to the joke, nothing that makes a point using that sarcasm. So we have no other logical conclusion than you just like to upset others.

In the same vein, this puts your whole opening statement in question and whether this thread is a good faith argument on your end.

Very fair.! And in your defense if you choose to question it you have every right to! It’s just my personality man to be sarcastic here and there but I pretty much ended after saying I love to make people mad

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14 hours ago, (PS4)sweatshawp said:

Not the same sweatshawp man.

Didn't say it was...

... but funny thing is, that guy disappeared from the PC client altogether when Warframe on PS4 became possible so~...

 

14 hours ago, (PS4)sweatshawp said:

It’s just my personality man to be sarcastic here and there but I pretty much ended after saying I love to make people mad

... They're more mad at this topic than the Conclave and its associated playerbase though... I personally don't care...

"If you don't care, then why are you here?" Because I can, and its more than reason enough for it.

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4 hours ago, Uhkretor said:

Didn't say it was...

... but funny thing is, that guy disappeared from the PC client altogether when Warframe on PS4 became possible so~...

 

... They're more mad at this topic than the Conclave and its associated playerbase though... I personally don't care...

"If you don't care, then why are you here?" Because I can, and its more than reason enough for it.

Eh there is a way that sweatshawp is spelled that’s taken and that account plays warframe I’ll do some lurking O.o 

 

and honestly yes. People are very upset about the topic more then conclave and it’s actually sad

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On 2019-09-12 at 10:41 PM, S.Dust said:

The community doesn't like it because it's not easy

Of course.  You're just better at games than us.  That must be why no one likes Conclave.  It's not like I play popular E sports despite not being the best at them.  None of us spend any time whatsoever with the many successful PvP games that are not "easy".  It can't be the myriad issues discussed in this and many other threads.  Certainly can't be the nigh impenetrable standing grind.

On 2019-09-13 at 12:38 AM, (PS4)sweatshawp said:

He’s only here to argue man. Ignore the poor lad 

Ah yeah just dismiss everything I say because I was just commenting about how I like to troll.  Oh wait...

On 2019-09-13 at 1:28 PM, (PS4)sweatshawp said:

I might find enjoyment if someone’s upset

 

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