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Can we just get a conclave mode where we play against bots like those missions on Sedna that are basically conclave vs bots anyway? Probably solve some of the issue.

The big thing is that pvp in this game is so weak and unloved by 99.9999999999999% of the community, to the point it could be literally deleted and nobody would notice it was gone or mourn it when they finally noticed, it's universal unpopularity results in there never being people to play against, or if there are, it's people endeavoring to try their very hardest and make sure nobody has a good time. So there being bot modes means you'll be able to find a game, and you don't have to worry about dealing with toxic players. For those who want to play against other players it will be available, and for everyone else there's still a challenge that you have to overcome but it's no longer the burden it is now.

So... Conclave bots mode.

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There is nothing in conclave of interest, including conclave. Why would anyone waste a medallion on a faction that doesn't offer them relics they could open to generate plat?

Of course DE should maybe address people wanting something from conclave, not being able to get matches since matches are necessary in order to get rep. Then again like I said there is nothing in conclave worth farming anyway.

For those wanting pvp, and pve to be completely separated, I could not agree more. Hey DE! When you get a chance, if you could remove the warframes gained through conclave from pve,  well as the ability to use the pvp skins, and sigils in pve, that would  be great. They should really only be used in pvp after all.

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"Player" vs "Player"

Bots would be great for training or getting a feeling for the mode though, even if they can't move like players.

Also I have never PvP'd in this game, I have considered it but I have this weird performance anxiety thing, hell I don't even pug except with a friend... I can't explain it but PvP rewards should be for PvP, not PvE bots, and I say that as someone who really wants some of those nice cosmetics, which is why I suspect people want those medallions to work in conclave.

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1 hour ago, Lunarez said:

If that logic apply, No one should be able to buy any items sold on standing faction, really. because you can easily flipped between syndicate so just do it yourself. Oh, and arcanes should not be tradable too since they're locked behind nightwaves and eidolon hunting. "You don't earn it"

If you apply their objectively flawed excuse of "honor the grind" to the whole game since conclave is the only thing that gets this special treatment and it's bad. 

Prime access wouldn't exist cause it's "disrespecting" those who farmed from relics

All wraiths and vandals would reappear through baro or invasions cause it "disrespects" those who played the events

You can't buy any fully built weapons or frames cause it "disrespects" those who farmed them

No forma bundles, catalyst or reactors cause it "disrespects" those who went into relics for forma bp and those that bought potato bp in nightwave

No trading items cause it "disrespects" all the farming behind it

Honor the grind is honestly a elitist statement the few who gotten to the max rank and are just trying to latch on something that makes them unique ignoring the customizations that make everyone's frame distinct from one and the other and 200 some weapons meaning someone's loadout will be different from yours.

Conclave is hated for simple reasons warframe's movement system doesn't gell well with pvp, low population (despite those lying about current players) means matchmaking results in a emtpy lobby making you to try again to result in another empty lobby. Few people you meet are some of the most toxic members of the community and they drive so many away from attempting to grind the rep.

If the cosmetics were just buyable with plat with a above average price people wouldn't be mad about the universal medallion not being universal.

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That runs into the same issue as Universal Medallions, specifically gaining PvP progress through PvE activities. Personally, I'm fine with being able to earn Conclave cosmetics through PvE, but it would have to be through some activity which doesn't also reward Conclave standing.

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28 minutes ago, Lunarez said:

 

it's the grind non-the less

The frames and weapons you use in conclave comes from PvE. being able to use them in PvP is not fair by any mean if you use conclave player's logic.

Alright, now PvP has its own exclusive special weapon and warframe

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1 minute ago, 844448 said:

Alright, now PvP has its own exclusive special weapon and warframe

Yeah, I'd like that instead of doing half/half right now. Just do it the same way like GW2 where PvP and PvE are seperate in every way (Skills, weapons/armors, character levels doesn't effect PvP in anyway, and items that provide stats in PvP is not usable in PvE and vice versa)

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Just now, Lunarez said:

Yeah, I'd like that instead of doing half/half right now. Just do it the same way like GW2 where PvP and PvE are seperate in every way (Skills, weapons/armors, character levels doesn't effect PvP in anyway, and items that provide stats in PvP is not usable in PvE and vice versa)

PvP in warframe has separate stats and mods, nothing in PvE affects PvP so what kind of effect you're talking about?

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14 minutes ago, 844448 said:

PvP in warframe has separate stats and mods, nothing in PvE affects PvP so what kind of effect you're talking about?

You still use items from PvE in it.

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Conclave in Warframe is the last dirt. The players are aggressive and unfriendly. The pure opposite of the great gaming experience. The Medalion, it's a good thing. The few Pvplers here have their identities stolen with it. they feel attacked. Hence their aggressive behaviour.

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14 minutes ago, Corvid said:

You still use items from PvE in it.

Everything you can use in conclave you need to buy with conclave standing, that'd be a good start.

You start with Excal/Mag/Volt, weapons you choose in tutorial. If you want new weapons/frames, you buy them with conclave standing.

Every rewards on conclave are conclave exclusive, no more random rare mats, no more weapon stances that can be used outside of the mode. Weapons in conclave are also have separate rank and need to gain affinity only in conclave to rank them up.

You also don't use rare mats, orokin reactor/catalyst from PvE to rank up in standing. But maybe you'll have a mat that'll drop from the mode itself.

Your mastery rank in PvE also won't effect maxed standing gain. You have a conclave-exclusive mastery rank.

 

If the mode really want conclave to be its own thing, it should have its tie to PvE fully severed.

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I would like to see Conclave split like how it's split with Lunaro and normal PVP...It needs another PVE/PVP game mode and racing sounds as if that's where they are going..but,... this is Warframe and De will somehow take a good idea and make it not a good idea and it will die much like how Lunaro died...

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Personally, I would like if we could use universal medallions to earn Conclave Standing. This is because I don't do Conclave and would like access to the rewards that doing Conclave would grant me, without having to do Conclave.

That said, I both understand and accept why we can't use these new Medallions for this purpose. DE has listened to the community (which has varied opinions) and sided with those who don't want their PvP reward-achieving undermined by PvE grinding to achieve the same results.

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The possibility of getting conclave standing through the universal medallions was the only exciting thing in that whole update. And then they took it away.

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Why PvP bragging rights reward should be available via PvE?

Why someone who won a marathon should get a fencing medal too?

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3 hours ago, Plutocola said:

Conclave in Warframe is the last dirt. The players are aggressive and unfriendly. The pure opposite of the great gaming experience. The Medalion, it's a good thing. The few Pvplers here have their identities stolen with it. they feel attacked. Hence their aggressive behaviour.

Lol idk about you but i've seen nothing but positivity from the people who play conclave. We all understand that its hard and its honestly just been fun in matches people talk give tips or props on pulling off cool kills.

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THE CONCLAVE

https://imgur.com/ryjHXgo
This is the sort of perception I see crop up time and again when people ask players what is wrong with conclave.

Then there are even founders who dislike Conclave as it currently exist, calling it 'the most toxic experiance in the game.'

https://twitter.com/StallordD/status/1170421889367326720

Strawpoll on the matter of 'why don't you like conclave' that appeared on reddit:
www.strawpoll.me

It Indicated a majority of thos that voted (607) are not into PVP, then 'Didn't like the gameplay,' 'Que times too long.' It should be noted more than one option is allowed when voting so take that as one will.

Examples of removing past grind exist as precident: THe drill obtainable in fortuna at rank 0 is as good as the max rank drill from cetus and lets you mine fortuna specific gems. Likewise DE has removed the need to build arcanes bought from fortuna and upgraded anyoene's unbuilt arcanes to built during that transition period. That last cannot be overstated, because unlike other examples that directly affected the market value of arcanes as that greatly lowered the barrier to obtain, thus directly affecting the economy of the game.

In the last year alone, off the top of my head.
* Harrow parts added to rot b of defection instead of just c
* Amino beacon count needed to fight ambulas lowered
* Nav coord count to fight alad v lowered
* Judgement point count required to fight Kayla lowered
* Bonus rewards added to cetus bounties

On the flip side of 'preserving the grind others have already done' is... the Hema, a weapon that dropped years ago right before a christmas break. DE themselves admitted to goofing on the mutagen amount then went 'oh some of yu have already done the grind. We don't want to take away that accomplishment by obliviating the grind.' Anticdotal, but every clan I've seen that has done the hema grind, including clans that got it during that initial release window, AND including warframe partners... say that the costs are stupid and should be adjusted with existing clans getting a mutagen sample refund or a trophy or the like.

DE has even done 'rewards that literally nobody can obtain' too. Give those existing conclave players an existing emblem, or armor, or something they can show off going 'Hey I did conclave THE HARD WAY and you can't get this.'

Allowing Medallions does not obliviate the grind, as they are a five percent drop chance on rotation C, and even then you would need roughly 360 just to get to max rank (not even actually gaining rep to buy anything, just to get to max rank.) 

This post does not Name Names. I am not arguing in favor of whoever made this post:
https://i.redd.it/im88cadrh7l31.png

Apparently though he is only rank 3 (Tempest) in Conclave. Not even max standing, and he's effectively bragged that 'I went to Steve on twitter and got things done. why are you lot here crying?'

The largest flaw in this argument is that it implies that nothing should be improved. Taken to the logical conclusion, the game should stagnate and die.

If One Guy not even max rank whining to Steve can shut down an entire community going 'we like this as an alternative slog' you at DE never intended on actually allowing universal medallions to be truly universal and simply wanted the playerbase to flock to the new game mode, suggesting a lack in confidence by dangling an enticing carrot like that at people.

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PvP isnt PvE so medallions shouldnt be usable there. If you PvP you get rewarded for PvP, simple as that.

A thing for all the "whaa! whaa! gimme!" people to think about. What if you get your wish through and it becomes an option to use unimeds for conclave standing, then all of a sudden DE adds something that forces you to PvP in order to advance in PvE? Would it really have been worth it to get those few cosmetics without PvPing now that you suddenly are forced into PvP for something PvE related?

I mean it wouldnt be odd if something like that happens, since things usually go both ways. So in the end, it is better to keep the two 100% seperate.

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Also reading some of these post, wow people are petty, taking the separate thing too far and saying people shouldn't be able to show off what they earned. Also calling conclave player aggressive when you guys are the one pushing so hard to screw them over or i've seen people say they have complete hate for them, even though most of you don't play enough conclave to know what they are like in game.

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Besides conclave people aren't really going to use these or go out of their way for them now and a teir 2 medallion that i can find 6 of in a single syndicate mission that has a 5% drop rate on rotation c. Yeah the point of these in hindsight are useless what syndicate are these really meant to be used for? Ventkids? The races give alot standing and are repeatable, 6 races and done.  Simarius? You can particapate in other people target and gwt the repnfor tgem along with your own so no real struggle of gain the rep.

These medallions are just the equivalent of finding a penny amongst quarters, can't remember when you got it and has so little worth you think what's the point of these?

Kinda wish we has those umbra echoes 

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At this point its just an item as the Synthetic Eidolon Shard which noone wants from ESO

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They shouldn't be removed eidolons trigger health problems for me. UM means I can finally finish quills without pain and misery 

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15 minutes ago, Lazarow said:

At this point its just an item as the Synthetic Eidolon Shard which noone wants from ESO

Yep lack luster value with a lack luster drop chance that comes off as a annoyance, i mean people are going to be mad when they earn a uni medallion instead of kuva in disruption

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I'm all in for reducing the grind for conclave stuff, but i think that adding a PvE way to get its stuff is just a lazy way to let people get them without even attempting to fix the flaws of the mode first.

1 hour ago, MarrikBroom said:

https://imgur.com/ryjHXgo
This is the sort of perception I see crop up time and again when people ask players what is wrong with conclave.

That's a single case where the player in question recognizes to have gone AFK, a lot of people dislikes it when someone goes to a lootcave and goes afk to leech from the gameplay of others but suddenly it's a valid option to get PvP related stuff when the player in question is using the spot of someone else who might actually want to play despite the outcome of the match.

1 hour ago, MarrikBroom said:

Then there are even founders who dislike Conclave as it currently exist, calling it 'the most toxic experiance in the game.'

https://twitter.com/StallordD/status/1170421889367326720

There are also founders who play conclave, amd have obtained lots of kills in it (feel free to go in game and use "/profile" to check the stats of players like Sky_, Toddworld, Pun-Chee, and even one who likes Lunaro comes to mind (Funki0).

Also, it's really rich to see people talk about conclave as a toxic experience without looking at the amount of toxicity and vitriol from PvE players towards conclave and its playerbase, a unreasonable hate that's also accepted just for being "the big majority" just because of some dumb skins that have no gameplay value other than dress-up frame.

Granted, i have no idea about his experience in conclave, but i haven't seen much toxicity in it unless it's from people on the lower end of the kill count or PvE players flaming everyone else in the lobby for moving too much or a specific player for killing them.

1 hour ago, MarrikBroom said:

Strawpoll on the matter of 'why don't you like conclave' that appeared on reddit:
www.strawpoll.me

It Indicated a majority of thos that voted (607) are not into PVP, then 'Didn't like the gameplay,' 'Que times too long.' It should be noted more than one option is allowed when voting so take that as one will.

Well, queue times are obviously gonna be long when the playerbase is small, spread thin across 48 different pools (6 regions × 4 gamemodes × 2 mm "tiers") with nothing but an unreliable RNG matchmaking system that searches in only 1 pool at a time instead of letting people see each other to make finding matches a streamlined experience.

Quick note, if the whole fuss is about something that DE stated they were gonna do but didn't, feel free to check this clip, then take a look at its creation date.

1 hour ago, MarrikBroom said:

DE has even done 'rewards that literally nobody can obtain' too. Give those existing conclave players an existing emblem, or armor, or something they can show off going 'Hey I did conclave THE HARD WAY and you can't get this.'

Wouldn't that just be worse? This whole fuss is about some skins available to anyone who decides to play PvP at any time, but adding a new thing that can't be obtained will make people go nuts over this new cosmetic.

1 hour ago, MarrikBroom said:

Allowing Medallions does not obliviate the grind, as they are a five percent drop chance on rotation C, and even then you would need roughly 360 just to get to max rank (not even actually gaining rep to buy anything, just to get to max rank.) 

In the current state of things yeah, however people tend to forget that DE has stated to have plans to release bigger medallions and perhaps make the already existing ones more common after seeing how does this affects the item economy (if they actually do it or not is a different thing).

1 hour ago, MarrikBroom said:

This post does not Name Names. I am not arguing in favor of whoever made this post:
https://i.redd.it/im88cadrh7l31.png

Apparently though he is only rank 3 (Tempest) in Conclave. Not even max standing, and he's effectively bragged that 'I went to Steve on twitter and got things done. why are you lot here crying?'

I think his rank doesn't matter, however, i won't deny that the post could have used a better wording. I see him as a young boy eager to do whatever it takes to defend something he likes even if his lack of experience plays against him and then people want to crucify him for his actions (i see no need to do that even further since i've even seen people threatening him on reddit)

1 hour ago, MarrikBroom said:

If One Guy not even max rank whining to Steve can shut down an entire community going 'we like this as an alternative slog' you at DE never intended on actually allowing universal medallions to be truly universal and simply wanted the playerbase to flock to the new game mode, suggesting a lack in confidence by dangling an enticing carrot like that at people.

DE has plenty of times showed to be against people trivializing parts of their content (aka obtaining its loot without playing it) and the amount of players talking about how they would finally be able to get PvP rewards without playing PvP is also player feedback that might have played a role in this decision. But hey! it's always easier to put all the blame on someone else than on our actions.

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vor 5 Minuten schrieb Stormdragon:

This whole fuss is about some skins available to anyone who decides to play PvP at any time, but adding a new thing that can't be obtained will make people go nuts over this new cosmetic.

People who raided before raids were removed only got a small shoulder glyph.
I don't think that anyone would raise a fuzz over this.

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