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Celestial Syandana reward from conclave shouldn't make you play even more conclave.

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6 hours ago, SosseBargeld585 said:

I don't get what your point is. People want that syandana, but they don't want to play even more conclave after getting it. That's why they don't play (grind) conclave at all

All syndicate Syandanas require upkeep. Granted none like conclaves but every syndicates Syandana requires you to do actions to keep it at its full potential. Either A rework the upkeep for the Syandana or B Grind it brother. 

It’s how the syndicate Syandanas work. You know about the upkeep prior to it. If you want it and want to keep it lit you’d do it man

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vor 12 Stunden schrieb (PS4)sweatshawp:

All syndicate Syandanas require upkeep. Granted none like conclaves but every syndicates Syandana requires you to do actions to keep it at its full potential. Either A rework the upkeep for the Syandana or B Grind it brother. 

It’s how the syndicate Syandanas work. You know about the upkeep prior to it. If you want it and want to keep it lit you’d do it man

Ok, I didn't know that all syndicate syandanas require upkeep

Explains why I never see anyone wear it

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Am 29.9.2019 um 11:15 schrieb (XB1)francy x096:

conclave il already grindy, grinding again and again for a luminous effect is annoying....

exactly, removing that upkeep mechanic litteraly is a win win,

we get a syandana that is actually worth grinding for and DE gets more players giving feedback on conclave

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3 minutes ago, SosseBargeld585 said:

exactly, removing that upkeep mechanic litteraly is a win win,

we get a syandana that is actually worth grinding for and DE gets more players giving feedback on conclave

The ting is you A remove upkeep for all syndicate Syandanas which I don’t see an issue in but why? 

B. Lessen the upkeep.

you guys saying that people would grind for the Syandana if it dosent require upkeep in a game most of the community refuses to play. People still aren’t  going to play conclave for the Syandana if they despise the mode. They should work on making conclave fund enough for people to want to grind it not make its rewards easier to grind because even if so conclave would still be a dead gamemode

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vor 11 Stunden schrieb (PS4)sweatshawp:

The ting is you A remove upkeep for all syndicate Syandanas which I don’t see an issue in but why? 

B. Lessen the upkeep.

you guys saying that people would grind for the Syandana if it dosent require upkeep in a game most of the community refuses to play. People still aren’t  going to play conclave for the Syandana if they despise the mode. They should work on making conclave fund enough for people to want to grind it not make its rewards easier to grind because even if so conclave would still be a dead gamemode

I don't know how many times I have to say that the comments in the wiki of this syandana already prove my point

There's a lot more people than just in those comments 

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21 hours ago, SosseBargeld585 said:

exactly, removing that upkeep mechanic litteraly is a win win,

we get a syandana that is actually worth grinding for and DE gets more players giving feedback on conclave

If their feedback amounts to "conclave bad xd" or "syandana 2 hard qq" then their feedback is useless. Making the syandana easier to get will not get more players to play conclave, it will just stop them from playing it longer. That is conclave's weakness imo. You can really only begin to enjoy conclave one you have more than 100 or so matches played in it.

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vor 7 Stunden schrieb (XB1)Saint Nasim:

If their feedback amounts to "conclave bad xd" or "syandana 2 hard qq" then their feedback is useless. Making the syandana easier to get will not get more players to play conclave, it will just stop them from playing it longer. That is conclave's weakness imo. You can really only begin to enjoy conclave one you have more than 100 or so matches played in it.

More than 100

That's what the syandana requires you to do almost

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vor 10 Stunden schrieb (XB1)Saint Nasim:

If their feedback amounts to "conclave bad xd" or "syandana 2 hard qq" then their feedback is useless. Making the syandana easier to get will not get more players to play conclave, it will just stop them from playing it longer. That is conclave's weakness imo. You can really only begin to enjoy conclave one you have more than 100 or so matches played in it.

Making it longer not means tho enjoyment i say.

I mean i could put a reward behind a grindwall like some events were, does it take effort and time? Yes. Is it fun? Probably no.

It is like grinding for gear in an MMORPG or grind up a faction with dailys. It needs to be designed somewhat fun for people.

PVP is hard to design in a fun way, not to speak of balance issues, but forcing you to basically repeat it over and over for certain rewards is also the wrong way.

Anyone remember playing a game just for the gameplay and fun in it? Now it is eather leveling, shiny XP rewards or shiny loot.

Loot and rewards this game needs of course, it is a grind and farm game, but this not means a game mode needs ot be boring or frustrating, just because you put effort in not means it is fun. Consider it with real life, you do your job because you need the money, is it often fun? Probably not. Yet you need to do it each day to get somewhere.

Games should not be that way! Games are there to enjoy you, not something that you have to put your life and effort in aswell all day.

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3 hours ago, Marine027 said:

Making it longer not means tho enjoyment i say.

I mean i could put a reward behind a grindwall like some events were, does it take effort and time? Yes. Is it fun? Probably no.

It is like grinding for gear in an MMORPG or grind up a faction with dailys. It needs to be designed somewhat fun for people.

PVP is hard to design in a fun way, not to speak of balance issues, but forcing you to basically repeat it over and over for certain rewards is also the wrong way.

Anyone remember playing a game just for the gameplay and fun in it? Now it is eather leveling, shiny XP rewards or shiny loot.

Loot and rewards this game needs of course, it is a grind and farm game, but this not means a game mode needs ot be boring or frustrating, just because you put effort in not means it is fun. Consider it with real life, you do your job because you need the money, is it often fun? Probably not. Yet you need to do it each day to get somewhere.

Games should not be that way! Games are there to enjoy you, not something that you have to put your life and effort in aswell all day.

You aren't forced to grind the Celestia. It's a cosmetic item. Cosmetics are THE items that are completely optional. 

The Celestia was clearly not designed to cater to the "I only play for rewards" crowd, it was designed for those who actually genuinely enjoy Conclave's gameplay. It's a symbol showing that you are an active PvP player. People fail to understand this and go ballistic over this virtual cosmetic as if their enjoyment of the game is greatly diminished from not having a bunch of shiny cloth flames on their back.

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vor 4 Stunden schrieb Tachmag:

You aren't forced to grind the Celestia. It's a cosmetic item. Cosmetics are THE items that are completely optional. 

The Celestia was clearly not designed to cater to the "I only play for rewards" crowd, it was designed for those who actually genuinely enjoy Conclave's gameplay. It's a symbol showing that you are an active PvP player. People fail to understand this and go ballistic over this virtual cosmetic as if their enjoyment of the game is greatly diminished from not having a bunch of shiny cloth flames on their back.

I do agree but the problem is with all syandanas we have from Syndicats, i mean Red Veil as example, who wants to go stealth kill all day to make it brighter also, PVE basically has the same problem, or Suda, scan all for no reason at all if your codex is full, Perrin, collecting credits which happens nearby anyway, the total opposite of work, just why?

The syandana maintain needs a rework overall i say, maybe able to "light" them up with standind to buy, simliar to a booster. Instead of specific activitys, this would the conclave one still make you play conclave since you need the standing for it.

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11 minutes ago, Marine027 said:

I do agree but the problem do all syandanas have from Syndicats, i mean Red Veil woh wants ot go stealth kill all day to make it brighter also, PVE basically ahs the same problem, or Suda, scan all for no reason at all if your codex is full, Perrin, collecting credits which happens nearby anyway, the total opposite of work, just why?

The syandana maintain needs a rework overall i say, maybe able to "light" them up with standind to buy, simliar to a booster. Instead of specific activitys, this would the conclave one still make you play conclave since you need the standing for it.

Being able to buy the conclave lights still requires a grind something many players still won’t do if they don’t enjoy the game mode 

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Gerade eben schrieb (PS4)sweatshawp:

Being able to buy the conclave lights still requires a grind something many players still won’t do if they don’t enjoy the game mode 

What my first post refers to, i know.

vor 4 Stunden schrieb Marine027:

Making it longer not means tho enjoyment i say.

I mean i could put a reward behind a grindwall like some events were, does it take effort and time? Yes. Is it fun? Probably no.

It is like grinding for gear in an MMORPG or grind up a faction with dailys. It needs to be designed somewhat fun for people.

PVP is hard to design in a fun way, not to speak of balance issues, but forcing you to basically repeat it over and over for certain rewards is also the wrong way.

Anyone remember playing a game just for the gameplay and fun in it? Now it is eather leveling, shiny XP rewards or shiny loot.

Loot and rewards this game needs of course, it is a grind and farm game, but this not means a game mode needs ot be boring or frustrating, just because you put effort in not means it is fun. Consider it with real life, you do your job because you need the money, is it often fun? Probably not. Yet you need to do it each day to get somewhere.

Games should not be that way! Games are there to enjoy you, not something that you have to put your life and effort in aswell all day.

The enjoyment simply differs in peoples eyes tho, making something fun for one group the other might dislike, PvP is always a big problem in every game, may it be PvE or PvP focused. Even generic stuff like Team Fortress 2 or Overwatch people will complian about one class able to outdo the other, intented or not.

I would like to collect the Conclave stuff depstie not beeing a PvP player due i like to collect all normaly, yet i ignore it and go on. So i couldn't care less about such.

But i can see the people who argue about this, especially with the Universal Medallion that came up, etc.

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The Celestial Syandana reward from conclave should make you play even more Conclave, because it is a Conclave reward, which is meant to represent your dedication for the Conclave.

 

notice to self: copy pasting the headline makes things extra thicc

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there is no reasonable downside of the change that im proposing, especially since "nobody" cares about conclave enough to make you feel acomplished

the gamemode is dead because 99% of players hate or don't even know what it is 

people see a syandana they like and would grind for it

people find out there's a crappy daily mechanic to keep it lit 

for some mysterious reason they decide to not farm it at all and the gamemode stays dead

If you'd want to farm this syandana from 0 it would actually take you 12 days at the very least
12 days if you actually max out your daily standing every day as a MR 27 

if that's not dedication, I don't know what is

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25 minutes ago, SosseBargeld585 said:

there is no reasonable downside of the change that im proposing, especially since "nobody" cares about conclave enough to make you feel acomplished

the gamemode is dead because 99% of players hate or don't even know what it is 

people see a syandana they like and would grind for it

people find out there's a crappy daily mechanic to keep it lit 

for some mysterious reason they decide to not farm it at all and the gamemode stays dead

If you'd want to farm this syandana from 0 it would actually take you 12 days at the very least
12 days if you actually max out your daily standing every day as a MR 27 

if that's not dedication, I don't know what is

>50k weekly rewards

>possibility of an additional 20k~ standing from dailies

>your 27k daily cap

Conclave is by far the easiest syndicate to max. Don't even try that argument here. You can get nearly 50k standing a day just from daily standing cap and daily challenges.

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vor 2 Stunden schrieb (XB1)Saint Nasim:

>50k weekly rewards

>possibility of an additional 20k~ standing from dailies

>your 27k daily cap

Conclave is by far the easiest syndicate to max. Don't even try that argument here. You can get nearly 50k standing a day just from daily standing cap and daily challenges.

it's that easy huh?
challenges are not that easy especially when players are having trouble finding a lobby to begin with

sounds like fun more than dedication, yeah

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2 minutes ago, SosseBargeld585 said:

it's that easy huh?
challenges are not that easy especially when players are having trouble finding a lobby to begin with

sounds like fun more than dedication, yeah

Yes. It is that easy. I am on xbox and I never have trouble finding matches.

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Gerade eben schrieb (XB1)Saint Nasim:

Yes. It is that easy. I am on xbox and I never have trouble finding matches.

and im on pc definetely having trouble with that 

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18 minutes ago, SosseBargeld585 said:

and im on pc definetely having trouble with that 

I'm on PC too and can find matches most of the time.

I'd argue for DE to improve, promote and encourage conclave gameplay instead of arguing for its rewards to be made available somewhere else and the syandana's upkeep getting removed. Getting more to people to play is always better in the long term than catering to those who only care about get and forget rewards.

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3 hours ago, Stormdragon said:

I'm on PC too and can find matches most of the time.

I'd argue for DE to improve, promote and encourage conclave gameplay instead of arguing for its rewards to be made available somewhere else and the syandana's upkeep getting removed. Getting more to people to play is always better in the long term than catering to those who only care about get and forget rewards.

Say it louder for the casuals in the back*

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6 hours ago, SosseBargeld585 said:

especially since "nobody" cares about conclave

oh hey one of those again...

But why are you asking for free Conclave content features when you don't care about Conclave?

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vor 3 Minuten schrieb Loxyen:

oh hey one of those again...

But why are you asking for free Conclave content features when you don't care about Conclave?

I want this syandana to change like many others, not conclave 

it looks way too good to be wasted like this imo

what's the downside of it being permanent, I don't get it

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8 minutes ago, SosseBargeld585 said:

I want this syandana to change like many others, not conclave 

it looks way too good to be wasted like this imo

what's the downside of it being permanent, I don't get it

Like I stated before its meant to show your dedication towards Conclave. Almost the entire purpose of that Syandana's existence remains on its mechanic to re-lit it.

Changing/bypassing that too much would ridicule the entire piece at once.

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vor 1 Minute schrieb Loxyen:

Like I stated before its meant to show your dedication towards Conclave. Almost the entire purpose of that Syandana's existence remains on its mechanic to re-lit it.

that's what players think who like conclave, you could also say that it's meant to show how bad a gamemode has to be to make people not play it at all just because of that maintenance mechanic
it doesn't make sense, to keep it that way

but let's not care about the majority, instead please a tiny portion of the community

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