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CHANGE MY MIND: Cephalon Samodeus And Combined Forces of Cetus & Fortuna Surpass The Orokin Empire At Its Peak And Can Solo The Sentients Easily!

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VotumPrime

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11 minutes ago, DrakeWurrum said:

If it's a bomb using void energies, that's actually unlikely.

Point is, even if the Operator would have survived, the Warframe would have been completely destroyed by the Sentient. Leaving the Operator with nothing to do but watch as the Sol system is torn apart by that lone Sentient.

Yeah but we have endless supplies of Warframe. Not to mention an infested in the back of our Orbiter that can produce new and original designs if we can just figure out how to use him. We can capture a Sentient, strap it on to the Helminth chair and let him work his magic. The Operator alone is actually the one that poses a huge threat. You remember Rell right? You remember how powerful he was? Imagine the Sentients trying to fight against that.

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15 hours ago, VotumPrime said:

Well if it weren't for the fact that we just can't die, they might have risked their own lives, but the fact that the most effective weapons and things in the game right now isn't Prime weapons but Zaws and Kitguns held together with spit and duct tape can only mean that if they are given time, they would become something that surpasses the Orokin Empire and they wouldn't really need our help.

Why compare vigilantes to warframes whom shred the most of the old war? Overlooking on those modular (scraps) weapons literally just not going to get through those Eidolons/Valis Orbs, not too perfect for the job... lorewise:

* Disoriented -  they barely even know Onkko lives except for Nakak, whom which has all the lore telling but rather entrust the tale & heavy works on Tenno/Amps are Tenno stuff./You'd go to war like those Solaris while your head is in your belly... very practical.

* Chicken Society - They send Tenno instead of "themselves" to do bounties. A bunch of Pedleks./Solaris the same.

* Old War - Nobody else can elaborate more of the tragedy but the citizen themselves and burnt down whatever pride is there to fight for something even for the coming threat. Seeking Tenno now as their salvation.

 

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3 minutes ago, FerockQuartz said:

Why compare vigilantes to warframes whom shred the most of the old war? Overlooking on those modular (scraps) weapons literally just not going to get through those Eidolons/Valis Orbs, not too perfect for the job... lorewise:

* Disoriented -  they barely even know Onkko lives except for Nakak, whom which has all the lore telling but rather entrust the tale & heavy works on Tenno/Amps are Tenno stuff./You'd go to war like those Solaris while your head is in your belly... very practical.

* Chicken Society - They send Tenno instead of "themselves" to do bounties. A bunch of Pedleks./Solaris the same.

* Old War - Nobody else can elaborate more of the tragedy but the citizen themselves and burnt down whatever pride is there to fight for something even for the coming threat. Seeking Tenno now as their salvation.

 

Right? But it's a different story for the Grineer and the Corpus.

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21 minutes ago, VotumPrime said:

Not to mention an infested in the back of our Orbiter that can produce new and original designs if we can just figure out how to use him. We can capture a Sentient, strap it on to the Helminth chair and let him work his magic.

Actually no, Setients are canonically immune to the infestation. (Ignoring the absolute insanity the id Revenant)

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1 minute ago, VotumPrime said:

Right? But it's a different story for the Grineer and the Corpus.

When you look at their vulnerability rate from Corpus/Grineer scenarios (I mean if they were to replace Tenno's role), how much more when facing Sentients? Kitguns & Zaws are screwed.

                           Non-Tenno               Tenno

Lorewise                No                   Yes/Probably

Gamewise              No                   Yes/Probably 

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6 minutes ago, Atsia said:

Actually no, Setients are canonically immune to the infestation. (Ignoring the absolute insanity the id Revenant)

Maybe Alad V's Mutalist strain will change that in the future and give us an even deadlier enemy.

5 minutes ago, FerockQuartz said:

When you look at their vulnerability rate from Corpus/Grineer scenarios (I mean if they were to replace Tenno's role), how much more when facing Sentients? Kitguns & Zaws are screwed.

                           Non-Tenno               Tenno

Lorewise                No                   Yes/Probably

Gamewise              No                   Yes/Probably 

If they combined forces they would stand a chance. The Grineer have created things like Kuva Guardians, Manics, Ghouls, Nox, and the Wolf of Saturn Six and the Kuva Lichs. The Corpus have created Nullifiers, Demolysts, Bursas, Ambulas, Profit-taker and Exploiter Orb, flamethrowers that burn hot enough to melt even Sentient armor. They can probably create something really crazy together if they used all the best things that they have.

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2 minutes ago, VotumPrime said:

Maybe Alad V's Mutalist strain will change that in the future and give us an even deadlier enemy.

If they combined forces they would stand a chance. The Grineer have created things like Kuva Guardians, Manics, Ghouls, Nox, and the Wolf of Saturn Six and the Kuva Lichs. The Corpus have created Nullifiers, Demolysts, Bursas, Ambulas, Profit-taker and Exploiter Orb, flamethrowers that burn hot enough to melt even Sentient armor. They can probably create something really crazy together if they used all the best things that they have.

Damage Adaptability are significant to Sentients ... anything you like to add?

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32 minutes ago, Atsia said:

Actually no, Setients are canonically immune to the infestation. (Ignoring the absolute insanity the id Revenant)

Revenant having Sentient/Eidolon like abilities, canonically from being "corrupted" by their energy, doesn't change the idea that they are immune to the Infestation. 9/10ths of the "insane" plot holes people come up with are just from people not actually engaging any sort of reading skills when it comes to the lore.

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1 hour ago, VotumPrime said:

We can capture a Sentient, strap it on to the Helminth chair and let him work his magic.

Nope. Sentients are immune to Infestation.

1 hour ago, VotumPrime said:

Yeah but we have endless supplies of Warframe.

We very clearly don't. Which is why we've had to build new ones.

1 hour ago, VotumPrime said:

The Operator alone is actually the one that poses a huge threat. You remember Rell right? You remember how powerful he was? Imagine the Sentients trying to fight against that.

Operators don't even come close to what Rell had been turned into after a millennium of contact with The Man in the Wall.

The Operator is a huge threat, but canonically, we are also very vulnerable when not in our frames, and we can be killed - else Natah wouldn't have needed to hide us, and the whole damn moon, inside the Void. We are not immortals.

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46 minutes ago, FerockQuartz said:

and its from a Sentient... you'd probably know Alad V's contact with Natah & Sentients didn't favored him very well?

It's the weapon that it's using dude. Stop ignoring whatever is right in front of you.

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27 minutes ago, DrakeWurrum said:

Nope. Sentients are immune to Infestation.

We very clearly don't. Which is why we've had to build new ones.

Operators don't even come close to what Rell had been turned into after a millennium of contact with The Man in the Wall.

The Operator is a huge threat, but canonically, we are also very vulnerable when not in our frames, and we can be killed - else Natah wouldn't have needed to hide us, and the whole damn moon, inside the Void. We are not immortals.

But aren't our bodies basically astral projections now as of the events in War Within? Like if our operator body gets hurt, it just warps back into the Warframe.

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13 minutes ago, VotumPrime said:

It's the weapon that it's using dude. Stop ignoring whatever is right in front of you.

No I'm not... you should be glad we're having a break down of what you're saying... so... It takes time to melt an armor especially on Sentients possibly avoid your attacks with that hot torch weaponry stuff, so how is it going to work? You'd expect Sentients as dumb as Grineer & Corpus Clones? Feel free to elaborate further because I'm very interested where you're going at; leaving what you've opened about Cetus/Fortuna citizens...

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17 minutes ago, VotumPrime said:

But aren't our bodies basically astral projections now as of the events in War Within? Like if our operator body gets hurt, it just warps back into the Warframe.

That's game mechanics, not lore. You can clearly see Umbra nearly choke the life out of us in the Sacrifice. We would've died if we hadn't forced Transference.

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2 hours ago, VotumPrime said:

You think the Orokin made Kitguns? You think the Orokin made Zaws?

They are purely Solaris and Ostron original design and it doesn't seem like arcanes are Orokin in origin.

I think they are influenced by the Orokin. Heavily influenced. Both of them have contact with the Quills who can apparently predict the future with the help of Orokin Technology. While they did make it themselves, there is a very likely chance that they copied the Orokin is some way or had created it due to Orokin influence.

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18 hours ago, VotumPrime said:

Zaws. Kitguns. Magus Lockdown. Rivens.

A bunch of hill billies and debt slaves will do what a mighty ancient empire never could and make more powerful and deadlier weapons than the Orokin Empire defeat their greatest enemy the Sentients at the same time.

For those of you who don't know what Magus Lockdown is:

 

Go. Change my mind. We're just lucky Nef wasn't smart enough to put Eudico and the Solaris in charge of weapons manufacturing.

tbf all we've fought so far is ground troops and still got our buts handed to us.

 

You gotta think large here.

There will be hunhow, a ton of battalysts, eidolons, that new thing we saw in the trailer, the sentient elders, natah, her parents

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1 hour ago, FerockQuartz said:

No I'm not... you should be glad we're having a break down of what you're saying... so... It takes time to melt an armor especially on Sentients possibly avoid your attacks with that hot torch weaponry stuff, so how is it going to work? You'd expect Sentients as dumb as Grineer & Corpus Clones? Feel free to elaborate further because I'm very interested where you're going at; leaving what you've opened about Cetus/Fortuna citizens...

I don't think you understand what I am saying at all. Plus you're not making any sense.

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1 hour ago, DrakeWurrum said:

That's game mechanics, not lore. You can clearly see Umbra nearly choke the life out of us in the Sacrifice. We would've died if we hadn't forced Transference.

But when we do transference aren't we going inside Umbra basically? We might have a physical form but I think we can become astral too since we are capable of phasing in and out of the void with void mode and when we die in operator form we basically get all ghost like before forced back into our warframes.

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1 hour ago, WoodedSkate89 said:

tbf all we've fought so far is ground troops and still got our buts handed to us.

 

You gotta think large here.

There will be hunhow, a ton of battalysts, eidolons, that new thing we saw in the trailer, the sentient elders, natah, her parents

I never denied that. All we've been fighting are fragments so far. But I am doubtful that even something as massive as Natah's mother would pose a threat. In Mag Prime's Codex Entry I believe Natah's mother is one of these "worm ships" that was mentioned. If that's true then we probably killed dozens of her kind before in the past. 

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