# Pathocyst is, by no mean, not a fodder at all.

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It gets innate boost to crit, either it's bugged or it's has a hidden passive.

Statistically it should have about 101.625 critical chance at 3.5 multiplier. But it keep orange criting,to my surprise, nearly all the time.

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Edit- This is incorrect math down here. Formula is actually

Blood Rush crit chance = modified base crit chance *(1 + 1.65 + Combo Counter)

I think you're math is off. With Blood Rush equipped and using base crit chance, the crit chance at each multiplier is:

1 - 15%

1.5 - 39.75%

2 - 64.5%

2.5 - 89.25%

3 - 114%

3.5 - 138.75%

So you should be orange critting 38.75% of the time

Edited by z3us32610

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prime fodder

Edited by Luciole77
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It can be used on mid lvl content maybe but for high lvl content It's not a great choice. For me It's gonna be one of those keep it because it came from an event kind of weapons.

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20 minutes ago, z3us32610 said:

I think you're math is off. With Blood Rush equipped and using base crit chance, the crit chance at each multiplier is:

1 - 15%

1.5 - 39.75%

2 - 64.5%

2.5 - 89.25%

3 - 114%

3.5 - 138.75%

So you should be orange critting 38.75% of the time

Uh, your math is a bit off after 2.5 combo multiplier.

At 2.5, you got 165% x 2.5 = 412.5% critical chance. So the end critical chance sits at 15 x (1+4.125) = 76.875%.
At 3.0, you got 165% x 3 = 495% critical chance. So the end critical chance sits at 15 x (1+4.95) = 89.25%.

At 3.5, you got 165% x 3.5 = 577.5% critical chance. So the end critical chance sits at 15 x (1+5.775) = 101.625%.

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1 minute ago, JackHargreav said:

It can be used on mid lvl content maybe but for high lvl content It's not a great choice. For me It's gonna be one of those keep it because it came from an event kind of weapons.

I used this on Arbitration survival once. 40 mins in and It shred everything above lvl 110.

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vor 1 Minute schrieb Lunarez:

I used this on Arbitration survival once. 40 mins in and It shred everything above lvl 110.

well, to be quite honest...lv 110 is not really impressive. i myself use lv 130s in the simulacrum for basic judgement and comparing weapons/builds...below lv 120 is just too weak to really stand to most weapon builds we have available right now. even lv 130 are a clean 1 shot from some weapons without any innate armor lowering or even removal or any other help.

if u use a combo build then lv 110 is even less relevant.

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Not really adding anything with this, but I used to test builds against the highest level sentients I could make and now I use nox, in the simulacrum, 130 crowds of sentients or nox's is normally what I feel like 300+ enemies are like. Very few of my weapons can kill fast enough to not also die against those odds, so, feels about right.

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Do you happen to have a gladiator set mod sitting on anything that you forgot about? From what I've heard, if you have a sentinel equipped and then switch to a pet, you can still get effects from set mods on the sentinel gun that WOULD have been equipped previously.

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7 minutes ago, OvisCaedo said:

Do you happen to have a gladiator set mod sitting on anything that you forgot about? From what I've heard, if you have a sentinel equipped and then switch to a pet, you can still get effects from set mods on the sentinel gun that WOULD have been equipped previously.

So your saying the crit chances bonus stays on? Interesting

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Just now, kwlingo said:

So your saying the crit chances bonus stays on?

Well, it's what I've heard, but I don't use pets (or set bonuses) so I've never tested it myself.

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1 minute ago, OvisCaedo said:

Well, it's what I've heard, but I don't use pets (or set bonuses) so I've never tested it myself.

Always nice to find bugs. Will test later

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It's the ultimate fodder, 49% blueprint, 49% subcortex, 2% blade...that's what the drop rates feel like.

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4 hours ago, Lunarez said:

It gets innate boost to crit, either it's bugged or it's has a hidden passive.

Statistically it should have about 101.625 critical chance at 3.5 multiplier. But it keep orange criting,to my surprise, nearly all the time.

I assure you compared to power creep monster, this is fodder lol

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6 hours ago, Lunarez said:

Uh, your math is a bit off after 2.5 combo multiplier.

At 2.5, you got 165% x 2.5 = 412.5% critical chance. So the end critical chance sits at 15 x (1+4.125) = 76.875%.
At 3.0, you got 165% x 3 = 495% critical chance. So the end critical chance sits at 15 x (1+4.95) = 89.25%.

At 3.5, you got 165% x 3.5 = 577.5% critical chance. So the end critical chance sits at 15 x (1+5.775) = 101.625%.

15*1.65=24.75. that's an increase of 24.75% for each combo multiplier.

Unless the formula I've interpreted from the sentence explaining the mod is incorrect

Edit - I guess it was. I just read the wiki and never new the 1.65 modifier was ALSO multiplied by the combo counter. That's a bit counter intuitive coming from a math major. Since I knew there was no bonus when the combo multiplier was 1 and the mod treats it as a combo counter of 0. Anyways, good to know.

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In a game with 15m+ range melee weapons that onehit multiple enemies well beyond star chart content I can't find a reason for playing this weapon. Novelty wears off fast and in the end reach+multihit trumps all...

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8 hours ago, Lunarez said:

Uh, your math is a bit off after 2.5 combo multiplier.

At 2.5, you got 165% x 2.5 = 412.5% critical chance. So the end critical chance sits at 15 x (1+4.125) = 76.875%.
At 3.0, you got 165% x 3 = 495% critical chance. So the end critical chance sits at 15 x (1+4.95) = 89.25%.

At 3.5, you got 165% x 3.5 = 577.5% critical chance. So the end critical chance sits at 15 x (1+5.775) = 101.625%.

Are you sure you don't have some gladiator mods on your frame, weapon or sentinel weapon?

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but the weapon itself looks like 2 infested chicken wings strapped together with playdoh,
and it's slow.

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So... Use a glaive to kill hoardes of high level units! (Sounds fun!) 🙄💪

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Its by all means fodder, it looks the part aswell ~ something you'd feed to the kavat

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It does however get bonus damage if dual wielding a pistol with it. Enough to kill level 165 corrupted bombards in less than 5 seconds.

Everyone seems to forget about dual wield bonus.

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58 minutes ago, Sannleikur said:

It does however get bonus damage if dual wielding a pistol with it. Enough to kill level 165 corrupted bombards in less than 5 seconds.

Everyone seems to forget about dual wield bonus.

Do you have a good source that shows the jury nitty gritty details of the dual wielding system? I use it a fair amount, but wasn't ever about to find a thorough explanation with numbers and such.

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6 minutes ago, Frenotx said:

Do you have a good source that shows the jury nitty gritty details of the dual wielding system? I use it a fair amount, but wasn't ever about to find a thorough explanation with numbers and such.

I don't have a source for the dual wielding bonuses themselves on hand, but this is my source for the pathocyst performing better as a dual wield. I'd start the video at the 5 min mark to get to the relevant stuff.

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On 2019-09-30 at 3:33 AM, Sannleikur said:

I don't have a source for the dual wielding bonuses themselves on hand, but this is my source for the pathocyst performing better as a dual wield. I'd start the video at the 5 min mark to get to the relevant stuff.

Ty for clearing up what I was talking about. I didnt even know that there was a dual combo over the melee combo ability. Ive been shreading everything with a Gas/ Condition Overload build and Criting with Gladiator mods on sentinels.

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On 2019-09-30 at 9:17 AM, Sannleikur said:

It does however get bonus damage if dual wielding a pistol with it. Enough to kill level 165 corrupted bombards in less than 5 seconds.

Everyone seems to forget about dual wield bonus.

Indeed. I didn't know about it at all actually.

It really makes the weapon powerful. In melee mode this weapon is the worst but dual wield it and it's one of the best.

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