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If DE one day decide to go full EA, will you stay or go?

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8 hours ago, 844448 said:

Perhaps I'm overthinking this, but seeing how things go, it's very tempting to put as much as possible for revenue.

Let's say, DE go full EA and bungie one day, with :

- Mandatory DLC purchase for content, means Empyrean, The New War, and upcoming contents are behind paywall

- Lots of lootboxes added as surprise mechanics for upgrades and such

- Premium paid content/season pass for events and nightwave, means some of the best skins and things are locked behind season passes

- More massive grinding where you need to spend weeks or months to get something (remember wisp or fulmin where you only need a few hundred when you get them in two digits amount from just one enemy or locker? Now you need thousands and only get them in quantity of no more than 5. You can buy though)

For the offset, there are some things you get since DE has manners and things :

- Contents are double, sometimes tripled in frequency and amount

- There are so many sustainable content (read : endless grinding) that you will never be able to gobble them down, even when you play 24/7/365 (10% free, the rest is paid)

- Higher quality in all aspects, from graphics to gameplay

- Smoother content release, means they will set a date and release on said date, even a day earlier with no bugs at all

- So many endgame that even with your best gear you will never run out of endgame and you won't be able to roll through it without any struggle like many people claim so there's endless difficulty and challenge (locked behind DLC of course)

- Many dedicated servers scattered on every inch of the world, ensuring you will never have more than 100 ms ping (requires server pass)

If DE walk down this path one day, will you stay, or go?

 

If Warframe charged even half of what destiny charges, without SIGNIFICANTLY increasing quality. I would dip at first notice.

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Concurrently. Warframe =

Charges you 60 80 150$ every 3 months

For a reskin of a warframe. And 2 weapons

You can get those free with grinding over about 1 week quick

2 days at most luck with rng.

As well. We barely get any content

Outside of weapons cosmetics and frames

Literally just nightwave this year

And gas city. But dont worry

If you spent 888 plat on a riven

Itll get nerfed every 3 months to

Like supra opticor and catchmoon did 3 times

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Definitely go.

I don't care if it will be more content and at higher quality if that means squeezing every conceivable and inconceivable penny out of players to achieve it. Ends don't justify the means. I'm strongly against predatory monetization practices so I would be out the moment something like this happens. I don't mind paying for the game, but I do mind being psycologcally manipulated into spending more and more and more.

I'd be fine paying a flat DLC price or subscription as long as there is no loot boxes or further charges once you've paid the upfront price. The moment a premium price game tries to charge me for anything that's not a sizable DLC is the moment it completely loses my interest if it's multiplayer, or it's the moment I boot up CheatEngine (or just mod it) to give myself infinite premium currency if it's a single player title.

CD Projekt Red (Witcher titles) does monetization right for single player. I will gladly pay anything to guys like that.

For multiplayer - I'd say EVE online is a good example of subscription based game monetization. For free to play - hard to say, there aren't any good examples I know of besides Warframe (and it's not quite perfect).

Warframe monetization is rather good, but has some bs areas (like Warframe/weapon slot purchasing not being really optional and some things that should've been paid being free). But discussion about Warframe monetization is a thing for it's own thread.

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I would leave. EA is notorious for running bad servers and as a result there are bad issues with server disconnects all the time. Their problem solving ability revolves around the principle of "if we ignore the complaints enough they will eventually stop and start spending more money on us". Their idea of customer relations is uncompromising. I believe that if Warframe goes to EA it will not be long before people stop playing it.

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Rhetorical Questions now serving as clickbait. First come First Serve!

Hell yes I would leave because there would be no chance Warframe would still be the Warframe I loved.

 

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7 hours ago, 844448 said:

Perhaps this what will happen if people keep asking for more content, dedicated servers, etc. Can't keep things without money

That is why DE chose the Leyou path in the first place, after founders helped the Warframe idea float. Its not something to be glib about. That said, its one of those things to watch and listen about, and up to the players to make their choices wisely if it happens.

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12 hours ago, Twistedsparkle said:

if DE would choose to change their monetization and other business practices to the likes of EA or any other unethical company
I would go since that would mean the DE I know and love no longer exists

that said
I trust DE will do whatever it is to prevent something like that from happening

I dont know any DE members personally but what Ive seen 6-7 years of devstreams,player interactions, other streams,tweets,updates and other media from devs
also fantastic customer service over the years I think all of them have their heart in the right place

on final note I also think theres always room for improvement on that matter
warframe and DE are no exceptions
Prime access and platinum prices have been under critique for a long time for steep prices

Agreed but that type of question from OP wasn't too far from my mind though considering the numbers. 

DE pays its employees very well, with an average of about $79K per year and about 320 employees (totaling about $25 million). That's in Canada too and not including benefits. Also not included is building costs, hardware, software, marketing, travel, studio renting, leasing, servers, dividends, commissions, lawyers, outsourcing, licensing, bonuses, lodging for additional staffing during large productions/shortened timelines, Tennogen payouts, etc. That's an extremely large amount of cash flow needed to support that...especially from a free to play company with DE's mindset of pricing.

Now, if they were to go pay to play for new content, I'd give it a shot the first time around, if the reviews are good, because I've been playing this damn game for half a decade, I'm happy with it and don't think it would be a greed move. The reviews will determine that. I'm not going to front and all of a sudden have a negative opinion based on emotional thinking bull crap. 

However, I'd be heavily critical of the work. I'd be as critical as Life of Rio actually. I'd fully expect a reasonable package along with the update as well as monthly additions to that mainline content in way of new zones, enemies and, ultimately, a new boss. Although people have lied about it, DE has an update schedule on par with AAA games so I'd only expect more employees hired in order to release content faster.

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DE just went full EA on me, they posted more than 2 weeks ago that nightwave was ending, and then just stopped talking about it. Well, after a week, I forgot so now I lost all of the time I invested into that, all because it was too hard for them to code in a date deadline into the actual nightwave menu. They already had a timer for when the wares switched, was it so hard to just change it to read that all of our creds were expiring instead of just the wares would be replaced? I'm sick of this oversight and they obviously won't give the credits back now so I'm done with this game.

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Why would I go when it will be the best Warframe drama show ever? Nothing more satisfying than watching them crash and burn.

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I left Marvel Heroes while I still loved it, due to burn out and nothing really worth doing for the thousandth time in a row. Then the "stupidest update ever" hit, and the game was dead within a year. Ironically, or not, it was due to some guys who were former EA an Activision screwing things up. I'm only thankful that I can say I still have my love for the game due to when I did quit instead of being there to watch them destroy it.

If DE went the route of EA and them, I would not hesitate to quit and never look back.

Okay, the best comparison I can make is to the Sims 4. I'm a big Sims fan and have been playing since the original, sims 2 being my all time favorite. Sims 4, has massive potential, technically superior to 2 on a basic level, but lacks soul in most of it. Most of it is over priced, under done expansion content. Which when I look at it I struggle to find a reason as to why I would ever want it. Which is why I have so little of them. Not even half of the actual expansions and only like 2 game packs. Basically, I look at things and determine if its worth it for me to throw money at or not.

I take the same approach with Warframe in terms of discernment, but I have the benefit of being able to simply farm for most things and thus do not have to spend money for anything I don't feel deserves it. Going the EA route would be a death knell for the game really, people already complain endlessly about lack of content. Just imagine how much screeching there would be if they had to wait every 3-4 months for a half done expansion at near full game price without the option for farming. That would kill off pretty much every totally free player pretty quick and cause over reliance on whales to keep things going.

 

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vor 16 Stunden schrieb Twistedsparkle:

also fantastic customer service 

Nice, getting banned for decades for not doing anything wrong but needs months to be fixed is seen as fantastic nowadays.

We're in for a ride bois

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No.

But that's because of my reasoning for playing and gambling, not for ethical reasons. Gambling is toxic, it appeals to a very bad aspect of human instincts by giving a false short feeling of pleasure. Only regrets await and I know it well. If I gamble it has to be for something I am ready to be stupid for and not regret my choices, like something I idolize. There is nothing warframe has or could introduce that would warrant such thing from me.

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The company is already making a lot of money without making it mandatory to purchase any platinum. I personally buy platinum to support DE because they're cool with the community. If this game was EA's I probably wouldn't have played it, and if I did, I wouldn't have spent a single dollar on it. 

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6 hours ago, T.Hoagie said:

I left Marvel Heroes while I still loved it, due to burn out and nothing really worth doing for the thousandth time in a row. Then the "stupidest update ever" hit, and the game was dead within a year. Ironically, or not, it was due to some guys who were former EA an Activision screwing things up. I'm only thankful that I can say I still have my love for the game due to when I did quit instead of being there to watch them destroy it.

That isnt true mate. They had no former EA or Activision employees in their crew. They had some people that were formerly involved with some of the CoD games and a guy from Sega there. The only connection between EA, Activision and Gazillions were a few employees that left Gaz for those companies. On of them went to Blizzard to work on Overwatch, Ryolnir i.e Ryan also went over to Blizzard iirc and then Asros i.e Brian Waggoner went to work for EA sports.

It also wasnt design decisions or anyhting like that which screwed the game over, it was their former investor that had taken over the CEO role from David Brevik that #*!%ed it all up due to very very personal reasons that made Disney say #*!% this and end the project then and there. They already had a contract stretching to 2022, which had been obtained that same year. And the personal reasons around David Von Dohrmann that resulted in the termination was down to sexual herassment and simple mistreatment of employees aswell as re-hiring a former friend that had already been let go for Gaz during Brevik's and Doomsaw's time at the company due to a claim of sexual herassment at that point in time.

Regarding the rest of the thread. I'm quite amazed to find so many political activists in here. Wonder how much they actually care outside of these forums.

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43 minutes ago, SneakyErvin said:

Regarding the rest of the thread. I'm quite amazed to find so many political activists in here. Wonder how much they actually care outside of these forums.

Well, I do, because I actually have a stake in it.

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On 2019-10-13 at 9:34 AM, 844448 said:

For the offset, there are some things you get since DE has manners and things :

- Contents are double, sometimes tripled in frequency and amount

- There are so many sustainable content (read : endless grinding) that you will never be able to gobble them down, even when you play 24/7/365 (10% free, the rest is paid)

- Higher quality in all aspects, from graphics to gameplay

- Smoother content release, means they will set a date and release on said date, even a day earlier with no bugs at all

- So many endgame that even with your best gear you will never run out of endgame and you won't be able to roll through it without any struggle like many people claim so there's endless difficulty and challenge (locked behind DLC of course)

- Many dedicated servers scattered on every inch of the world, ensuring you will never have more than 100 ms ping (requires server pass)

That game sounds way better than what we have. I'd take that.

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9 hours ago, SneakyErvin said:

That isnt true mate. They had no former EA or Activision employees in their crew. They had some people that were formerly involved with some of the CoD games and a guy from Sega there. The only connection between EA, Activision and Gazillions were a few employees that left Gaz for those companies. On of them went to Blizzard to work on Overwatch, Ryolnir i.e Ryan also went over to Blizzard iirc and then Asros i.e Brian Waggoner went to work for EA sports.

It also wasnt design decisions or anyhting like that which screwed the game over, it was their former investor that had taken over the CEO role from David Brevik that #*!%ed it all up due to very very personal reasons that made Disney say #*!% this and end the project then and there. They already had a contract stretching to 2022, which had been obtained that same year. And the personal reasons around David Von Dohrmann that resulted in the termination was down to sexual herassment and simple mistreatment of employees aswell as re-hiring a former friend that had already been let go for Gaz during Brevik's and Doomsaw's time at the company due to a claim of sexual herassment at that point in time.

Regarding the rest of the thread. I'm quite amazed to find so many political activists in here. Wonder how much they actually care outside of these forums.

While I could be wrong about the status of those who took over after Brevik left, everyone I knew who played the game said the same things. They screwed up all of the game play with the "Biggest update ever". Frankly the road map that they were talking about before that hit and right before I left screamed the whole game on a basic level was going to be destroyed.

But yes, I did hear that getting it shut down was intentional. How that came about is irrelevant to me at this point, and doesn't change anything else. Game got screwed hard. And I'm only glad I left it while I still loved it instead of seeing it go down the toilet.

But maybe you can answer this since I have literally never been able to find an answer, did they remove the Fantastic Four from the game after the "Biggest update ever"?. I heard that a few times, but no one ever backed it up.

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Taking into account the DE fanboys WANT them to make paywalls because it "supports the game", i think a lot of people will stay.

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4 hours ago, Feltal said:

That game sounds way better than what we have. I'd take that.

So you don't mind spending at least $20 for one DLC, up to who knows how much or you will never get any new content? You need to pay for new content, nightwave pass, server pass, etc so you will spend around $200 in half a year, otherwise completely no content for you and it sounds way better for you?

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On 2019-10-13 at 1:50 PM, Olphalarepth said:

Like comparing cancer to metastasis or death by lethal injection to electrical chair.

just friggin kill me. I assume we are all smart people who noticed the poor condition the gaming industry is in right now and it is no secret how morally perverted have some companies become in order to milk their customers.

EA "Don't like it, Don't buy it", Blizzard "Yes master Xi, we will protect China' honor" and Bethesda "Why develop a game when we have players doing it for us and even fixing bugs and paying to do so? LOLOLOL" are just 3 of many disgusting companies that sold their souls for money.

 

If Warframe goes the same way it will take me a second to leave forever. This is something I think (and even hope to a certain extent) many players would do.

Absolutely false as someone already mentioned. Go look for the actual translation of Blizzard response for China

 

Has DE been willing to make a statement concerning its partner program and topics like this?

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They already do things I find scummy.

Vaults I find to be the most egregious.
They were originally designed when the Key System was a thing, Keys were getting saturated with 20+ parts per key.  So Vaults helped that.  They said then it was only temporary.

But then Relics came along and the excuse was there's not enough places to drop relics (even though like 100+ nodes on the Star Chart have no relics).

Obviously for them it's a no brainer to keep reselling 5 year old things because they manipulate their own market.  They literally create artificial scarcity in their own stock in order to push sales.

I've spent probably close to $2000 on this game now, so don't think I'm against supporting them, I just think vaults are scummy business.  You shouldn't be removing 5 year old content so you can resell it.  That's a blatant cash grab.  

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I once played a game called Skyforge that had great gameplay and it had me hooked. The raids in that game are some of the best that I've ever played. For a time I almost paid more money into it than Warframe however it's developers were so money hungry that the endgame grind was brutal without paying and in the end I ditched it like the bad habit that it is. The first thing they teach you in business ethics is that long term gains are much more sustainable than short term cash grabs but some devs can't resist the easy money.

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Im already thinking of quiting they make warframes too much of a grind to get like gauge, why cant it just be from bosses like they used to,  also the psychological manipulation like fomo is pissing me off when it comes to nightwave battlepass or the daily logging rewards like boosters to try to manipulate you to just play warframe ive got other more rewarding games to play. 

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If I'm going to go make believe that DE is going full EA, then I'm going to also make believe that I've won the Mega Millions Jackpot. In that case, I'm staying. 😎

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