-CdG-Zilchy Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, SneakyErvin said: Not all arcanes are energize and grace though, so they very much clock in at being equal to or better than several. If you dont want the bonus, dont use the helmet, simple as that. Just as I dont use my parkour arcanes in either of my arcane slots. I would however trade one of those arcane slots for some of the arcane helmets without a doubt. I would use Frost's helmet in a heartbeat if I had it since it would max out his avalanche armor strip in my build without needing GP, which would open up a slot for Steel Charge instead. This guy gets it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudbouggin Posted October 17, 2019 Author Share Posted October 17, 2019 Just now, Zilchy said: What relevance does that have? You basically just proved my point. I also don't need wiki to tell me how Frost works thanks. Do you see the part about base health. Also, I'm using it as a resource, I'm not one to use random numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-CdG-Zilchy Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 Just now, mudbouggin said: Do you see the part about base health. Also, I'm using it as a resource, I'm not one to use random numbers. Yes. What relevance does that have to the example I gave? I'll give you a hint, none. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudbouggin Posted October 17, 2019 Author Share Posted October 17, 2019 6 minutes ago, SneakyErvin said: Not all arcanes are energize and grace though, so they very much clock in at being equal to or better than several. If you dont want the bonus, dont use the helmet, simple as that. Just as I dont use my parkour arcanes in either of my arcane slots. I would however trade one of those arcane slots for some of the arcane helmets without a doubt. I would use Frost's helmet in a heartbeat if I had it since it would max out his avalanche armor strip in my build without needing GP, which would open up a slot for Steel Charge instead. edit: I would also use Mag's any day of the week since a free 25% extra range is better than most things you can get on arcanes for her. Can can still purchase them from people. So if you want it, you can still get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(NSW)Austee Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, mudbouggin said: base health Not base shield. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SneakyErvin Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 Just now, mudbouggin said: Can can still purchase them from people. So if you want it, you can still get it. No I'll do just fine without it. It also wouldnt change my mind regarding this topic, since I know that not everyone will have access to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudbouggin Posted October 17, 2019 Author Share Posted October 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Zilchy said: Yes. What relevance does that have to the example I gave? I'll give you a hint, none. I go the two arcane helms mixed up, but dude, are you mad about something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudbouggin Posted October 17, 2019 Author Share Posted October 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, (NSW)Austee said: Not base shield. Just now, mudbouggin said: I go the two arcane helms mixed up Yes, I acknowledged that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-CdG-Zilchy Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 Just now, mudbouggin said: I go the two arcane helms mixed up, but dude, are you mad about something? I'm just dumbfounded that you can't see that it's a straight up improvement ie power creep. I'll put it another way - why do you use the helmets at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SneakyErvin Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 Just now, mudbouggin said: I go the two arcane helms mixed up, but dude, are you mad about something? It wouldnt matter in the end eitherway since the helmets apply to max and not base. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudbouggin Posted October 17, 2019 Author Share Posted October 17, 2019 Just now, Zilchy said: I'm just dumbfounded that you can't see that it's a straight up improvement ie power creep. I'll put it another way - why do you use the helmets at all? Because I dont have maxed Grace or Energize Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-CdG-Zilchy Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 Just now, mudbouggin said: Because I dont have maxed Grace or Energize And if you did have them and you could use an arcane helmet AS WELL as 2 arcanes, would you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudbouggin Posted October 17, 2019 Author Share Posted October 17, 2019 1 minute ago, SneakyErvin said: It wouldnt matter in the end eitherway since the helmets apply to max and not base. It has an immediate effect on the stat. Maximum is talking about when you start a mission, what the stat shows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudbouggin Posted October 17, 2019 Author Share Posted October 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Zilchy said: And if you did have them and you could use an arcane helmet AS WELL as 2 arcanes, would you? Yes? Wouldn't you if you had access to all of the above? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-CdG-Zilchy Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 Just now, mudbouggin said: Yes? Wouldn't you if you had access to all of the above? I don't know, why would I? What would I gain? And I do have access to all of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudbouggin Posted October 17, 2019 Author Share Posted October 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, Zilchy said: I don't know, why would I? What would I gain? And I do have access to all of it. What would you gain? You would gain those advantages that you get through the helmets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-CdG-Zilchy Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, mudbouggin said: What would you gain? You would gain those advantages that you get through the helmets? So it would make me stronger? Or better off in some way? Edited October 17, 2019 by Zilchy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sleepychewbacca Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 And to think this thread would be better off in Feedback. GD, it's just going to get ignored. Oh well. Another hot topic going nowhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudbouggin Posted October 17, 2019 Author Share Posted October 17, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Zilchy said: So it would make me stronger? Do you not want to be? 1 minute ago, sleepychewbacca said: And to think this thread would be better off in Feedback. GD, it's just going to get ignored. Oh well. Another hot topic going nowhere. Also I don't post a lot in the forums so I didn't know where to post it. Just figured I would post it anywhere, but if people like Zilchy just lurk around the forums, then I'm not posting again. Edited October 17, 2019 by mudbouggin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-CdG-Zilchy Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 Just now, mudbouggin said: Do you not want to be? That's not what I asked. Would it make me better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SneakyErvin Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 Just now, mudbouggin said: It has an immediate effect on the stat. Maximum is talking about when you start a mission, what the stat shows. It doesnt matter if it has an immediate effect or not, it does not effect base health. Base health is the health value that a frame has completely unmodded at rank 0. You'd need massive amounts of negative max health to ever reduce the max health to something below base health. Frost for instance has a base health of 100, Inaros has a base health of 500. So on someone like Frost, even if unmodded, the +armor -health helmet would need a considerably higher amount of negative health % to ever effect snowglobe, it would need to take his unmodded health from 300 down to below 100. Though I'm fairly sure base health calculations are static, even if you for some odd reason in a very specific scenario would drop below the base health threshold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudbouggin Posted October 17, 2019 Author Share Posted October 17, 2019 Just now, Zilchy said: That's not what I asked. Would it make me better? Are you not able to figure that out for yourself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-CdG-Zilchy Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 Just now, mudbouggin said: Are you not able to figure that out for yourself? No I need you to tell me if it will or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudbouggin Posted October 17, 2019 Author Share Posted October 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Zilchy said: No I need you to tell me if it will or not. You NEED me to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-CdG-Zilchy Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, mudbouggin said: You NEED me to? Yep. I can't decide if I'd be better off or not. Edited October 17, 2019 by Zilchy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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