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Convectrix Gimmick Lacks Fire Rate Support

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47 minutes ago, Uhkretor said:

Your failure to explain it better has locked you out of my logic. My logic is only available to those able to perfectly explain on a given subject, which isn't your case.

How arrogant. I didn't fail, I simply chose not to indulge in you further because I was getting fed up with repeating myself when the posts are there for you to reread. The posts are there to read at any point. Its not my problem that you apparently are unable to or refusing to understand. However, I'm going to humor you one more time.

47 minutes ago, Uhkretor said:

... From your part, I only got "I don't want to waste a mod slot for Efficient Beams, so I want the Convectrix arms to move faster with my Fire Rate mod so I can waste as little ammo as possible while discharging energy faster".

I have said, multiple times now, that the ammo economy is NOT. THE. PRIMARY. CONCERN. It is a SECONDARY PROBLEM at worst and said Efficient Beams shouldn't be needed to fix this specific issue. I said the PRIMARY REASON for this post is to INCREASE COMBAT EFFICIENCY OF THE WEAPON. Increasing its effectiveness. This is a problem that Efficient Beams largely does not solve on its own. Let me spell it out slower for you. Quicker. Moving. Beams. Equals. More. Effective. Usage. I already explained how the differing firing functions work. By converging and diverging faster, the Convectrix can hit more targets more quickly with its alt fire and with its primary fire it would converge faster to get the highest single point DPS faster. This should be obvious to anyone who has ever used the Convectrix in any capacity. I cannot possibly be more clear than this.

2 hours ago, DawnoftheWhiteFury said:

The main gimmick of the Convectrix is its ability to converge and diverge its two separate energy beams to either make them concentrate on a singular point or perform a sweeping motion to hit multiple targets. One huge flaw with the Convectrix, and what arguably makes it as mediocre of a weapon as it is, is how slow the energy beams move. It takes too long for the beams to successfully converge for the primary fire to be worth while DPS on a single target, and the alt fire sweeping motion is too slow to be reliable crowd control. I think the Convectrix would strongly benefit from its beams being affected by Fire Rate buffs from both mods and Warframe powers such as Gauss' Redline in terms of their movement speed. This would make it much more worth while to use, at least in a synergistic nature with such Warframes or with specific Riven builds.

Quoting again to explain that I already pointed this out in OP, just not in the unnecessary detail you demand. A reasonable person that's used the Convectrix in any capacity and/or has read my description of how it works can assume that the faster the movement of the beams, the more effective the weapon will be. If not they can ask questions. In case you still don't understand, this is my primary reason for the post.

47 minutes ago, Uhkretor said:

... I expected more from a topic that you've created. If you're so unwilling to share your logic in extensive detail with other participants, then this topic has no purpose other than ranting about the speed of the Convectrix arms not being affected by Fire Rate mods.

Funny enough I have explained and shared my logic in extensive detail in multiple posts in this thread. You are the one seemingly refusing to understand while still somehow thinking that my main problem is the Convectrix ammo economy rather than its overall effectiveness all while forcing me to repeat what I've said repeatedly rather than rereading past posts. At this point I hope you are trolling.

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1 hour ago, trst said:

But it's more than a bandaid. The status increase lets you reach 100% with two 60/60 mods instead of four and being able to keep the weapon active during downtime keeps the damage ramping at it's maximum. It give you ammo efficiency, a free mod slot, and (technically) more damage.

Though again I'm not opposed to buffing/fixing the weapon; it has a lot of potential with it's stats. I just think you're selling Efficient Beams a bit short.

 

57 minutes ago, DawnoftheWhiteFury said:

Thats fair. I may not give it enough credit, but personally I don't think the mod should be needed to fix this particular problem. I'd rather utilize the Fire Rate buff potential than use a slot for Efficient Beams, but that's just me. Like I said I don't think the ammo issue is the primary concern and isn't the main reason for the post but rather a secondary annoyance. That annoyance being that Fire Rate buffs shouldn't hinder a weapon as it does the Convectrix without Efficient Beams in my opinion.

I even say here that I may not be giving Efficient Beams enough credit while also saying that the ammo economy as it is being affected by the topic of the OP is not the primary issue of the OP, which is ammo being wasted due to everything being sped up by Fire Rate buffs EXCEPT for the movement speed of the beams. Again, the primary issue being the weapon's effectiveness suffering as a result of its beams being incredibly slow moving and being unaffected by Fire Rate buffs in terms of movement speed.

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