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7 минут назад, Pixzia сказал:
(Changing this would also allow you to bring Vacuum/Fetch on your Razorflys/Companion, which means they could remove the innate vacuum from Razorwing.

Something a set group of people have been wanting ever since the innate vacuum was added.)

Actually, I think that initially the addition of a congenital vacuum was a mistake. They could make it 2-3 meters, this acts on other frames and give the ability to use companions.

9 минут назад, Pixzia сказал:
If her razorflys were moddable or Companion mods actually applies while in Razorwing, then you could do this as well.

(another problem with her Razorwing)

This problem lies in the archwing system itself. I understand that dogs, cats and Moa can't fly, but guardians don't have that kind of problem. And we could get more companions that would act like razorfly but work in both archwing and normal mode. But this is a strong change to the system as a whole and I don't know if they will go for it.

On the other hand, pox can not be a Prime version, which means we get only sarpa prime and another weapon that is not associated with the set. And I honestly think sarpa is the worst type of weapon for Titania. I'd rather get a Glaive + pistol because it works very well with mobility. Maybe with the current melee systems the problem is gone, I don't know, but something tells me that firing a sarpa Titania is not the best idea anyway.

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24 minutes ago, zhellon said:

This problem lies in the archwing system itself. I understand that dogs, cats and Moa can't fly,

Not even saying that they need to be out, just have the effects apply/proc in her Razorwing form. No other frame has this hard of a restriction that I know of. You can't use any of your other weapons, Companion mods are completely ignored, it's a drain ability (limiting energy regeneration methods), it's single target, and you generally lose mobility unless you use an augment. (An augment that limits builds. Ex. I can't just use it to fly around casting ability's because if I drop strength -something that no other ability really benefits from- I lose out on killing power because of weapon limitations.)

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hace 2 minutos, Pixzia dijo:

Not even saying that they need to be out, just have the effects apply/proc in her Razorwing form. No other frame has this hard of a restriction that I know of. You can't use any of your other weapons, Companion mods are completely ignored, it's a drain ability (limiting energy regeneration methods), it's single target, and you generally lose mobility unless you use an augment. (An augment that limits builds. Ex. I can't just use it to fly around casting ability's because if I drop strength -something that no other ability really benefits from- I lose out on killing power because of weapon limitations.)

Companions simply don't work with Archwing because that's how it's coded. There is no simply workaround other than making razorflies a custom sentinel.

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1 minute ago, ixidron92 said:

Companions simply don't work with Archwing because that's how it's coded. There is no simply workaround other than making razorflies a custom sentinel.

Or recoding Razorwing dependent from Archwing but I don't see that happening unless it has already been done (I don't remember). Maybe a work around would be easier than that, who knows. I do see Custom Razorflys being more likely. Pretty sure they don't care about them either though, as for something that's a "main" part of her kit they didn't even include them on the deluxe skin. That would be like not making Nezha's ring part of the deluxe.

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3 минуты назад, ixidron92 сказал:
Companions simply don't work with Archwing because that's how it's coded. There is no simply workaround other than making razorflies a custom sentinel.

I remember them attaching a guardian to the operator (due to a bug), so I don't think there's a particular problem with this in archwing mode either. 

The problem is with companions on earth. I can tell that right now with Hildryn's flying Bastille they are behaving very inappropriately and can just teleport to the ceiling and get stuck there. On the other hand, we can't tell players to "not use ground companions." On this Yes, perhaps razorfly-this the best the exit. But razorfly with ordinary mods will still not be useful, like cats with their buffs or dogs with their damage. And it's a melee companion, so mods that give orbs health when enemy killed will work worse than a companion with a firearm + gas.

There are a lot of subtleties. If you give cats buffs to razorfly, can happen buff on 30*6 = 180% crit chance or 30 * 10 (razorfly + tribute) = 300%. That would be a cool bug.

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Justo ahora, Pixzia dijo:

Or recoding Razorwing dependent from Archwing but I don't see that happening unless it has already been done (I don't remember). Maybe a work around would be easier than that, who knows. I do see Custom Razorflys being more likely. Pretty sure they don't care about them either though, as for something that's a "main" part of her kit they didn't even include them on the deluxe skin. That would be like not making Nezha's ring part of the deluxe.

The problem is, they are not gonna recode an entire system just for one warframe. Razorwing depends on the archwing code for mobility, keybinds, maneuvers and pathfinding. That means, if they make an QoL o an important modification to the archwing system, Titania gets it automatically, if they were independent, they'd have to code any modification for the archwing in duplicate for the razorwing. I doubt that's gonna change.

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3 минуты назад, Pixzia сказал:
Pretty sure they don't care about them either though, as for something that's a "main" part of her kit they didn't even include them on the deluxe skin. That would be like not making Nezha's ring part of the deluxe.

Yes, I am saddened by it too. They made a unique razorfly shape, but took their spawning off your shoulders. 

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hace 1 minuto, zhellon dijo:

I remember them attaching a guardian to the operator (due to a bug), so I don't think there's a particular problem with this in archwing mode either. 

The problem is with companions on earth. I can tell that right now with Hildryn's flying Bastille they are behaving very inappropriately and can just teleport to the ceiling and get stuck there. On the other hand, we can't tell players to "not use ground companions." On this Yes, perhaps razorfly-this the best the exit. But razorfly with ordinary mods will still not be useful, like cats with their buffs or dogs with their damage. And it's a melee companion, so mods that give orbs health when enemy killed will work worse than a companion with a firearm + gas.

There are a lot of subtleties. If you give cats buffs to razorfly, can happen buff on 30*6 = 180% crit chance or 30 * 10 (razorfly + tribute) = 300%. That would be a cool bug.

Hyldrin works differently, as she's not tied to the archwing system. She's considered as an airborne warframe for all the game's purposes, only her model and camera angle are altered. That's a nifty trick to make us think she's flying (and she technically is) just the code doesn't consider her as a flying frame, just as an airborne frame, much like someone doing a perpetual aimglide.

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1 minute ago, ixidron92 said:

they are not gonna recode an entire system just for one warframe

There is still a possibility to make a work around, like I said I see Custom Razorflys before any of this.

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2 минуты назад, ixidron92 сказал:
The problem is, they are not gonna recode an entire system just for one warframe. Razorwing depends on the archwing code for mobility, keybinds, maneuvers and pathfinding. That means, if they make an QoL o an important modification to the archwing system, Titania gets it automatically, if they were independent, they'd have to code any modification for the archwing in duplicate for the razorwing. I doubt that's gonna change.

We have a skywing. Can we get some integrations from it? For example, temporarily increasing the size to interact with the console. Or use conventional weapons xD

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Justo ahora, Pixzia dijo:

There is still a possibility to make a work around, like I said I see Custom Razorflys before any of this.

Yes, that's my suggestion. Simply make razorflies her own exalted sentinel as a workaround.

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Justo ahora, zhellon dijo:

We have a skywing. Can we get some integrations from it? For example, temporarily increasing the size to interact with the console. Or use conventional weapons xD

Now that we have parazon, I see no reason why Titania couldn't interact with consoles. Previously you could say she's too small to operate the screen, but now, all she has to do is jack in with the parazon.

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1 минуту назад, ixidron92 сказал:
Now that we have parazon, I see no reason why Titania couldn't interact with consoles. Previously you could say she's too small to operate the screen, but now, all she has to do is jack in with the parazon.

Well, here you can joke that Titania turns parazon into a regular headphone Jack and it is no longer suitable for consoles xD

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OK, I'll suggest a topic for discussion.

According to legend, all people who saw the real forms of fairies were deprived of eyes or went crazy. Should the normal form become the mechanics for Titania's invisibility, or should she get the passive control that Gara has? Maybe enemies who see Titania's normal form get radiation prock? Although, it's very similar to what Oberon does.

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hace 8 horas, zhellon dijo:

OK, I'll suggest a topic for discussion.

According to legend, all people who saw the real forms of fairies were deprived of eyes or went crazy. Should the normal form become the mechanics for Titania's invisibility, or should she get the passive control that Gara has? Maybe enemies who see Titania's normal form get radiation prock? Although, it's very similar to what Oberon does.

What? Oberon's passive simply increases the effectiveness of companion link mods and gives them an instant revive.

I think getting radiation proc from seeing Titania would be way too OP. Think about it. It's basically a passive mass CC. Titania could just park there immobile watching everyone kill each other.

I already suggested giving her abilities (sheltered grotto, tribute and lantern) radiation procs to fit that lore. 

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48 минут назад, ixidron92 сказал:

I think getting radiation proc from seeing Titania would be way too OP. Think about it. It's basically a passive mass CC. Titania could just park there immobile watching everyone kill each other.

Yes. But on the other hand, opponents can't kill each other due to their hp/armor/shields being many times greater than the damage. Moreover, radiation will not work well if you stand too close. We can simply take 7 meters radius actions, because this the radius, when generation aggression stops work and mobs choose targets relatively priority distances.

But, actually, I was thinking of taking passive racta dark dagger ability and improving it. Say: when Titania in normal form not is leading the fire, all opponents, which are further 15 meters not will to see her. If you make this an aura mechanic that will apply to allies too, give Titania the ability to benefit from this aura, as: spellbind will blind enemies and push them beyond the aura. I think, that can be so same give razorwing another aura, thereby can be build same ability to for both forms of, but do so, to they yielded different effects relatively aura.

I mean, Titania already has an aura system as a Tribute. Just make it a passive ability that works differently as to what form you are in.

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En 17/11/2019 a las 12:10, zhellon dijo:

Yes. But on the other hand, opponents can't kill each other due to their hp/armor/shields being many times greater than the damage. Moreover, radiation will not work well if you stand too close. We can simply take 7 meters radius actions, because this the radius, when generation aggression stops work and mobs choose targets relatively priority distances.

But, actually, I was thinking of taking passive racta dark dagger ability and improving it. Say: when Titania in normal form not is leading the fire, all opponents, which are further 15 meters not will to see her. If you make this an aura mechanic that will apply to allies too, give Titania the ability to benefit from this aura, as: spellbind will blind enemies and push them beyond the aura. I think, that can be so same give razorwing another aura, thereby can be build same ability to for both forms of, but do so, to they yielded different effects relatively aura.

I mean, Titania already has an aura system as a Tribute. Just make it a passive ability that works differently as to what form you are in.

Well, even if they don't kill each other, it's a passive mass AoE. Gara's passive has limitations: it needs light and it has a CD and a range, but having that as a passive would be like having Nyx's Chaos permanently active at all times. It'd be way too powerful.

The Rakta Dagger passive would also be too powerful. remember that you need to have it equipped for it to work, limiting you to just a simple dagger as a melee weapon, but Titania can fly high, which would make enemies unable to target her.

I would accept that passive with some limitation, like it deactivates for X seconds if you attack or use an ability, similarly to Wisp's passive invisibility.

Still, I could see that working as an addition to Dust. Dust loses effectiveness at higher levels, as enemy accuracy improves, but that mechanic could still work at any level. 

Here is my proposal: 

Dust

Enemies affected by dust lose sight of Titania and any of her allies that are 15m or more away from them. This effect is cancelled for 2 seconds after taking any hostile action or using an ability. In addition, enemies have a 50% (scales with strength) chance to miss their shots.

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1 час назад, ixidron92 сказал:
The Rakta Dagger passive would also be too powerful. remember that you need to have it equipped for it to work, limiting you to just a simple dagger as a melee weapon, but Titania can fly high, which would make enemies unable to target her.

The dagger has long been provided by the buff, which is valid for 30 seconds when you use other weapons.

 

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