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Because of those Grendel missions I am so upset now, almost ready to leave this game for ever! So, I never buy any plat! Would not do this even if it would be reduced as 99%. Not a penny any more from my invalidity pension to those who did so bad missions for new Warframe.

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Just did survival and defence solo, obviously using Hildryn, any other wf just makes it worse, first one 20 minutes of spamming Falcor's heavy attack and explosion, praying i can get in time for the last 5 minutes; the second one was 30 minutes of straight up spamming any longsword (my case Gram Prime)  heavy slam everywhere non-stop, got excavation left, i suppose it'll be the same as defence.

Pain in the ass is an understatement here. This is a REALLY bad design.

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Most people didn't get into this game to play #*!%ing darksouls and darksouls is 20x easier than this S#&$. this isn't MEANT to be a skill based game, some people don't want a challenge 1/10th as unfair as this is. I'm seeing people saying it forces you to be creative but it doesn't. it forces you to wait for someone else to come up with a somewhat remotely plausible setup to get through these. there's way too many weapons and other vaiables in this game for the average person to possibly go through and math out which ones could possibly gives you a fighting chance at these challenges. a lot of the meta weapons are useless here because they rely on mods to be the strength they are. throw that away and it could be any of the thousands of weapons in the game that could get you through this that you have no hope of finding out which would work unless you were DEEPLY into the mechanics of the game, to a degree that anyone with anything else going on in their lives couldn't possibly be. this feels like de deliberately made a challenge as difficult as they could possibly some up with to push people into paying platinum for it, but juuuuust plausible enough to not cause a complete riot.

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I am NOT enjoying these missions. All they did was take the three mission types that people hate the most, and made them 100000% worse. How is this suppose to be fun again? 

Think it's time for a break from warframe for a while. Maybe check out destiny 2. 

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11 hours ago, PollexMessier said:

Most people didn't get into this game to play #*!%ing darksouls and darksouls is 20x easier than this S#&$. this isn't MEANT to be a skill based game, some people don't want a challenge 1/10th as unfair as this is. I'm seeing people saying it forces you to be creative but it doesn't. it forces you to wait for someone else to come up with a somewhat remotely plausible setup to get through these. there's way too many weapons and other vaiables in this game for the average person to possibly go through and math out which ones could possibly gives you a fighting chance at these challenges. a lot of the meta weapons are useless here because they rely on mods to be the strength they are. throw that away and it could be any of the thousands of weapons in the game that could get you through this that you have no hope of finding out which would work unless you were DEEPLY into the mechanics of the game, to a degree that anyone with anything else going on in their lives couldn't possibly be. this feels like de deliberately made a challenge as difficult as they could possibly some up with to push people into paying platinum for it, but juuuuust plausible enough to not cause a complete riot.

But the weapon choice didn't matter? 

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15 hours ago, lukasystem said:

Just did survival and defence solo, obviously using Hildryn, any other wf just makes it worse, first one 20 minutes of spamming Falcor's heavy attack and explosion, praying i can get in time for the last 5 minutes; the second one was 30 minutes of straight up spamming any longsword (my case Gram Prime)  heavy slam everywhere non-stop, got excavation left, i suppose it'll be the same as defence.

Pain in the ass is an understatement here. This is a REALLY bad design.

Disagree, there are about 5 frames I know of so far that can do it.

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On 2019-11-01 at 4:07 PM, bibmobello said:

But it's only to farm grendel. Someone wrote he did solo using revenant but i am not 100% sure about that... Revenant is pretty OP even without mods but you will run out of energy and die without a squad.

That was me, I used Revenant, War, Rubico, Akarius to solo. And I was too forgetful to also equip cunning drift like I should've 

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10 hours ago, -CdG-Zilchy said:

That was me, I used Revenant, War, Rubico, Akarius to solo. And I was too forgetful to also equip cunning drift like I should've 

no mods*** cunning drift would do nothing, or you're playing a different game than we are

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40 minutes ago, PollexMessier said:

no mods*** cunning drift would do nothing, or you're playing a different game than we are

Except that both augments and exilus still work. So yeh I guess I am playing a different game to you.

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On 2019-11-01 at 4:01 PM, Recyclotron said:

And hey: if YOU think it SHOULD be the endgame, then why don't you actually just strip your equipment of all mods and have that be your endgame? It's right there. Nobody can say otherwise and nobody is going to stop you. Don't forget to play it solo so you don't actually go cramp other people's matchmaking, please. I'm sure DE can implement a (completely optional) mode (with no exclusive rewards) for DarkSoulsInRealLife people like you if you ask them for it.

You're going to have to define endgame here for me. A lot of people talk about it, but when I think of this game, I think about constantly improving and getting better. This means there will never be an "end game" for me. When all my Frames are formed, modded and maxxed, I will either make a new account, or quit playing altogether. Either way is fine by me.

If you have a different vision, I'd like to understand it.

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hace 14 horas, -CdG-Zilchy dijo:

Disagree, there are about 5 frames I know of so far that can do it.

Ok name them, and also why they would be better than Hildryn, which allows to go full-faceroll scratching balls with one hand and deathless, without even considering energy as problem.

Frost, Limbo, Rhino?, Octavia? and Inaros? sure, the moment you run out of energy you're screwed.

Maybe on excavation i'd have finish earlier with frost/limbo. But defence and survival is another story.

 

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23 minutes ago, lukasystem said:

Ok name them, and also why they would be better than Hildryn, which allows to go full-faceroll scratching balls with one hand and deathless, without even considering energy as problem.

Frost, Limbo, Rhino?, Octavia? and Inaros? sure, the moment you run out of energy you're screwed.

Maybe on excavation i'd have finish earlier with frost/limbo. But defence and survival is another story.

 

Revenant, Limbo, Mirage, Hildryn, Octavia, all of those work. Did you enjoy spamming your 2 button while scratching your balls with the other?

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hace 3 minutos, -CdG-Zilchy dijo:

Revenant, Limbo, Mirage, Hildryn, Octavia, all of those work.

I just said earlier that i used Hildryn on my runs, wtf are you reading? and i repeat myself..... actually i'm gonna quote:

 

En 2/11/2019 a las 17:09, lukasystem dijo:

any other wf just makes it worse

never said they can't do it. Still, as of survive and/or defence, they're no better than Hildryn, they got no proper ways of getting health/shield back, lower base shield stats, and i mentioned energy issues, and repeat: the moment you run out of it, you're screwed.

 

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Just now, lukasystem said:

I just said earlier that i used Hildryn on my runs, wtf are you reading? and i repeat myself..... actually i'm gonna quote:

 

never said they can't do it. Still, as of survive and/or defence, they're no better than Hildryn, they got no proper ways of getting health/shield back, lower base shield stats, and i mentioned energy issues, and repeat: the moment you run out of it, you're screwed.

 

Did you even read what you quoted pf me? I said there is at least 5 frames that can do it. I listed 5 frames, would you like a calculator? 

They all have ways you just can't figure them out. 

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hace 17 horas, Dallyoop dijo:

I am NOT enjoying these missions. All they did was take the three mission types that people hate the most, and made them 100000% worse. How is this suppose to be fun again? 

Think it's time for a break from warframe for a while. Maybe check out destiny 2. 

Only thing i'm grateful, is that they didn't put Defection on them (prob. 'cause is Europa), imagine having to escort 12 or so slowish mofos.

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17 hours ago, Dallyoop said:

Think it's time for a break from warframe for a while. Maybe check out destiny 2. 

Funny you say checking out destiny 2 when the gameplay is basically similar to grendel mission where you have no way to brute force through, not to mention the sluggish walk/run speed if you don't sacrifice your resilience (max HP) and recovery (heal speed)

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It was a fun experiment. I just soloed the Grendel Neuroptics after quite a few failed attempts. I feel like the enemies could be toned down a few levels to make the combat less tedious, or at least scaled down based on the number of players. The winning strategy was Wukong with Sancti Magistar (for the sweet heavy-attack heals) and a Tigris for the Twin. Knock everyone down with power slams and keep them down while Twin takes them out, and heavy attack if either of us needs health.

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On 2019-11-01 at 7:56 AM, Lyravain said:

Oh no, a game has a challenge for you to get the new stuff, how absolutely freakin' horrible. You'll actually have to think about how to approach the encounter rather than depending on a cookie cutter build you've copied from a youtuber four years ago. How devastating.

Tenno-up, make a balanced, proper setup of guns and frames and go out to kick ass, chew bubble gum and shoot stuff's face, IN THE FACE.

 

It's not a challenge though.... It's a gimmick, an overlong gimmick at that. The defense mission lasts for too long and the limitation is the laziest way to induce "challenge" that only extrapolates the game's core issue with how it handles difficulty/ unnecessary padding.

 

I can abide that it's thematically driven, I.e. hunger and grendel's "insatiable hunger" thing. But what's good on paper is NOT necessarily good in practice.

 

Seriously, the quest chains shows up alongside the subjectively regressive melee update which nulls/ invalidates a lot of time investment from a lot of people who have stuck with the game for years on, with CO and meme strike, and channeling pretty much dead on the environment they were intended to be used in.

Add that feeling of past investment being neutered with a quest that incites the feeling that your past grind means nothing? That's asking for quite some backlash.

 

I've yet to really see older players in my clan who genuinely found the mission hard in any shape or form, let alone a fun challenge. Consensus in my clan / mates pretty much collectively agreed that the defense mission feels padded on top of the gimmick in place,  it's in no way shape or form a fun endeavor let alone a good challenge.

 

It feels lazy, even if it's not and is indeed thematically driven. So drop that condescending attitude of yours mate, you added absolutely nothing to the situation but your own ego.

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12 minutes ago, Tsardova said:

I've yet to really see older players in my clan who genuinely found the mission hard in any shape or form, let alone a fun challenge. Consensus in my clan / mates pretty much collectively agreed that the defense mission feels padded on top of the gimmick in place,  it's in no way shape or form a fun endeavor let alone a good challenge.

I'm an older player from a competitive clan who enjoyed the challenge of soloing it and while I agree it's not really a hard challenge, after all the mediocre content we've endured of the past few years, it was at least "some" challenge that wasn't either a clan rank up or Tavier Corsair challenge and that counts for something cos at least it's trickier than the vast majority of the rest of the game's missions. 

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8 minutes ago, -CdG-Zilchy said:

I'm an older player from a competitive clan who enjoyed the challenge of soloing it and while I agree it's not really a hard challenge, after all the mediocre content we've endured of the past few years, it was at least "some" challenge that wasn't either a clan rank up or Tavier Corsair challenge and that counts for something cos at least it's trickier than the vast majority of the rest of the game's missions. 

Considering it took less than a day/ 2 hours to figure out that slam spam to substitute cc to enable us some meaningful window for mob wipe? It's sadly a been there done that territory for me and my group....

 

Still, all the same,  glad it provided SOME form of challenge to a few people I suppose.

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6 minutes ago, Tsardova said:

Considering it took less than a day/ 2 hours to figure out that slam spam to substitute cc to enable us some meaningful window for mob wipe? It's sadly a been there done that territory for me and my group....

 

Still, all the same,  glad it provided SOME form of challenge to a few people I suppose.

I didn't do it via melee slam spam but I know what you mean. I used Revenant, used his 1 and walked around killing them piece by piece. Another clan mate solo'd it with limbo using the augments, etc so there are multiple ways to do it which is why I like the challenge. It's not locking you in to 1 strategy like many people seem to think.

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1 minute ago, -CdG-Zilchy said:

I didn't do it via melee slam spam but I know what you mean. I used Revenant, used his 1 and walked around killing them piece by piece.

I knew it! I did Mot with only the basic +30% mods and that went smoothly. And I suspected modless would be just as feasible in the Grendel missions.

I'm going to have to re-learn how to play Revenant without all the energy stuff I have been spoiled with since. How did you manage with energy? I guess arcanes can still be used... although I don't have Arcane Energize ranked up yet.

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7 minutes ago, -CdG-Zilchy said:

I didn't do it via melee slam spam but I know what you mean. I used Revenant, used his 1 and walked around killing them piece by piece. Another clan mate solo'd it with limbo using the augments, etc so there are multiple ways to do it which is why I like the challenge. It's not locking you in to 1 strategy like many people seem to think.

Therein lies the issue for me with the mission...

 

All the listed workaround to the defense mission relies on cheese strats, be it budget cc with slam spam, limbo to pretty much gut out the danger significantly, etc.

 

Whatever "creativity" we had to circumvent the limitations in place, it's just us abusing whatever's left in the system that's been there forever but isn't/ can't taken away from us by this lazy gimmick of a "challenge". I.e. again, it feels like a been there done that all the same for most in my circle who have played the game longer than 3 years.

 

Especially so considering we had multiple experiences with lvl 9999 survival gift of the lotus events where the same strategies were done, albeit those are more fun as those didn't take away what we've built and grinded for.

 

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17 minutes ago, nslay said:

I knew it! I did Mot with only the basic +30% mods and that went smoothly. And I suspected modless would be just as feasible in the Grendel missions.

I'm going to have to re-learn how to play Revenant without all the energy stuff I have been spoiled with since. How did you manage with energy? I guess arcanes can still be used... although I don't have Arcane Energize ranked up yet.

Hey mate 🙂 I started each wave up on the ledge holding the door up there open to deny the spawns. When the enemies came in, I used 1st ability on a moa(cos they shoot rapidly and don't take cover) to make him a thrall. Every enemy he then shot became an ally for 25 seconds(at no energy cost) and there would be maybe 10 enemies per wave shooting the pod. Since they shot each other none of them had shields anymore so I jumped around with War one shotting them all and comboing anything a bit tougher. At the end of each wave I left 1 enemy alive and thralled him to begin the next wave the same way. 

I never used Mesmer skin cos nothing was attacking me, I just had to listen out for grenades being thrown at the pod and dodge those. I very rarely used his 4th ability unless I had a full energy bar, it was more important to have enough to use thrall. I used Reave to regain health once when I got smacked by a Comba on the last wave.

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18 minutes ago, Tsardova said:

Therein lies the issue for me with the mission...

 

All the listed workaround to the defense mission relies on cheese strats, be it budget cc with slam spam, limbo to pretty much gut out the danger significantly, etc.

 

Whatever "creativity" we had to circumvent the limitations in place, it's just us abusing whatever's left in the system that's been there forever but isn't/ can't taken away from us by this lazy gimmick of a "challenge". I.e. again, it feels like a been there done that all the same for most in my circle who have played the game longer than 3 years.

 

Especially so considering we had multiple experiences with lvl 9999 survival gift of the lotus events where the same strategies were done, albeit those are more fun as those didn't take away what we've built and grinded for.

 

I've played for 6 years and I can't recall this style of challenge before so I honestly found it refreshing. But I will admit I like it when a game gives me an un-apologetic middle finger. I'm so starved for challenge in this game at this point I'll take what I can get.

And uhhh I killed those lvl 9999 enemies in the GOTL challenges, didn't need to cheese them. 

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