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Am 3.11.2019 um 18:21 schrieb Ralyks:

Players ignoring their lichs and blocking spawns for the rest of the squad is a REALLY BAD PROBLEM RIGHT NOW. Its faster to farm murmurs in a squad so playing solo cripples your farm. Its now taking almost twice as long to complete a lich encounter because inconsiderate players ignore their lich preventing mine from spawning.

There needs to be a despawn timer, a vote to kick, a something. Because players are A******s.

 

Am 3.11.2019 um 18:25 schrieb Askorti:

Well, I'm sorry, but what if I don't have the mods necessary for it yet? I will have to raise my Lich's level, making fighting him tougher down the line for your convenience? While normally I'm all for being considerate of others, I'm sorry, I'm not gonna do it for you.

The shame is both replies are right.

Guess its DE's turn to change the game design so this bs cant happen!

Give those who want their lich to spawn the spawn and those who dont want to kill their lich because they dont know the combination yet a way for the lich to despawn.

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2 hours ago, White_Matter said:

Then they shouldn't have a lich in the first place.

Except that liches are tied to a minimum level of 20 when it comes to obtaining one. Last I checked the difference between the numbers 20 and 100 are quite big.

The system doesnt really explain what it involves until you have a lich in the first place.

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On 2019-11-03 at 2:00 PM, DrakeWurrum said:

Frankly, they just need to make it so the lich doesn't kill you. It dies, but it reincarnates, and retreats to fight you another day.

People don't want to fight it knowing it will kill them.

Behold people, this post can only be seen by people who actually want to solve the problem rather than just treat the symptoms of the problem.

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What DE needs to do is put in some sort of timer or similar.  Perhaps if your team takes out the health bar twice with you just leeching, your lich goes away.  They also should not reward players for doing things that hinder other's lich farm.  So the "hords of thrawls spawn if you block other's lich farm" thing is horrible game design and should be fixed (they should limit the number of murmurs per minute you can get from this, to remove the incentive for anti-cooperative behavior).

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2 hours ago, SneakyErvin said:

Except that liches are tied to a minimum level of 20 when it comes to obtaining one. Last I checked the difference between the numbers 20 and 100 are quite big.

The system doesnt really explain what it involves until you have a lich in the first place.

If they don't know the system then I don't see why they'd refrain from confronting their lich.

If they are doing so that is only because they are aware of the consequences and in that case they shouldn't have created one in the first place.

Eitherway there is no jusitification to selfishness, like I said playing solo is always an option.

3 hours ago, Saber-142 said:

Uh just because I'm mr 10 does not mean I should not have a level 50-60 lich and avoid getting it to 100+ or not be able to try and get a cool *new* kuva weapon and iirc you can actually get more murmurs by keeping the lich alive..

That is exactly what it means if the other option is to disrupt other peoples gameplay. 

3 hours ago, Saber-142 said:

Murmur collection is faster and easier with other people 🙂 while killing your lich or at least trying to is easier solo.

Realistically either option will be considered 'selfish' at the end of the day and is bound to "get on someone's nerves"

This does need to be changed.

I guess you'll have to pick one. Get faster murmur and level up your lich or keep your lich low level and get murmur slower.

Pretty plain and straightforward.

 

3 hours ago, ValinorAtani said:

Blaime DE for this decision to force it into peoples throat. Your not entitled to tell Players in PUG how to play the Game. Even if it sucks, you should wrote it to DE instead.

Everybody is entitled to tell other people the proper way of doing things. Objectively of course.

If you are playing with a squad, then you'll have to consider your squadmates. 

 

3 hours ago, ValinorAtani said:

But they will thanks to the forced system which they (DE) didnt think about to much of a trolling potential kind of view and taking the bad things instead of the good ones from Shadow of Mordor.

No one is forcing you to create a lich, or play the content. You have to consciously create one, and if you have, you'll have to endure the consequences. 

I'm at my 7th lich and I think it is terribly executed in many ways, but that doesn't give me to right to take my frustration out on other players. 

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1 hour ago, White_Matter said:

No one is forcing you to create a lich, or play the content. You have to consciously create one, and if you have, you'll have to endure the consequences.

Well, I actually got my lich accidentally.  IIRC I was arca-plasmoring my way through a Lua hallway farming some last codex entries (Orokin Spectator), and I suddenly had a lich.

I see what you mean by people slowing down yous style of game play.  Though I should also say I find it much more engaging to first farm murmurs, then mods all the while evading the lich, right up to the point I can start tackling him.  Seems more like the way it was intended.  Though fortunately for you I'm mostly a solo player 🙂

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6 hours ago, chaotea said:

Just an FYI, some players of lower levels don't want to level their lich too much because they cant cope with level 100+ enemies yet.

And those same players are likely to need the help of a squad to kill their Lich. The problem is they want the help of a squad to kill the Lich, when they are ready, but otherwise don’t care about what the squad wants/needs. See the problem here?  My advice for these players is to go get the mods/gear you need to handle these missions. They are really not that hard. a good melee is all you need. And with the change to melee there are so many viable options now. 

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vor 1 Stunde schrieb White_Matter:

No one is forcing you to create a lich, or play the content. You have to consciously create one, and if you have, you'll have to endure the consequences. 

Directly with 26.0.0 have been dropped you were forced by DE. They "fixed" it later on with one of the Hotfixes to opt-out.

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I still think they should have made a little story line and mission to teach everyone the mechanics. A lot still are in the dark about this stuff. The tiny tutorial is not enough. If you don't come to the forums/reddit/youtube for info, You are kinda on your own and left scratching your head. Plus we need some more lore and story. Can't believe we have something as important as "Arch nemesis Liches" and virtually no back story. It is like they just popped outta thin air. 

I sure hope Empyrean is not this half arsed. 

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4 hours ago, Aldain said:

Behold people, this post can only be seen by people who actually want to solve the problem rather than just treat the symptoms of the problem.

There's already a solution for this problem tho. If you wanna be sure to be able to engage with your lich... Go SOLO. 

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"But I want MY lich to spawn!"

So you joined a pub game and gave yourself a 1/4 chance of that happening, then complained about your decision. Brilliant logic there.

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I think the players here should bury the hatchet, and instead of the fight between two selfish groups, you should unite and start blaming the true source of your problems, DE. Telling another player that he has to do things YOUR way or play solo is never going to lead anywhere. It won't make things better. But telling DE to fix this crap show, well, that has a chance of making things better... maybe...

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i can understand if you want to farm thralls especially since they spawn or are converted around the lich. but the thing is that many ignore them too and just do the mission objective and run to extract. not to mention that the thralls around the lich stop spawning after some time and the lich is just thereandstopping other liches from spawning.
the problem is that i (like many others) would like to have my lich spawn and have a chance to kill it or get the murmurs for trying to.

thralls farm = ok
ignoring everything around the lich including thralls and activly hindering other peoples liches to spawn when they want to try their luck with it = not ok

i had it happen multiple times now that i knew the order of my 3 mods and just waited for my lich to spawn just for another to spawn and be ignored while i think "my lich would've spawned in this mission. now i have to wait all because of the one arse who runs to extract while us other 3 are here fighting and would like to kill our lich."

the best way to solve it would be giving the lich a timer until he despawns when he is ignored by the person who it belongs to or something like this. but i have no idea if de would add a feature like that

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We needed this repeated on the front page. Thank you.

I needed to read this again.

Super informative and important.

Truely great.

The best.

Can't wait for the next one.

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Or maybe, crazy idea: If you want your Lich to spawn, go play solo. No one will hinder you there.

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vor 2 Minuten schrieb JackHargreav:

I do as I please.

If I don't have the mods yet I won't attack the lich. It's that simple.

so you would actively hinder other people in their progress because you haven't gotten the mods beforehand?

i do understand that a level 5 lich can be a problem and all but it's just way more likely that you figure some of the mods out by trying to kill him as it either rules out some mods or you could actually find out a mod. so there is not really much that hinders you from fighting it. it also grands murmurs when you fight it so that is also a point for it

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vor 3 Minuten schrieb WhiteMarker:

Or maybe, crazy idea: If you want your Lich to spawn, go play solo. No one will hinder you there.

why would you run lich missions when you are not even intend to face him? 

yes, you can get all murmurs first but even then you have to trial and error to guess the right combination. so either way it's not 100% sure that you kill it when you only know the 3 mods

 

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vor 22 Stunden schrieb JaviiMii:

Serious question for those who say "just kill the Lich to find out which mod is the 1st/2nd/3rd one" (be it with or without murmurs). - Does you Lich spawn that often that you can actually do it that way? - Cause for me no Lich has ever spawned without being Enraged to the max. - And that takes 4-5 missions to happen.

Also, if it's all about killing your Lich for you and it's not hard for you to do... why aren't you just soloing the missions when the Lich is Enraged and almost guaranteed to show up?

it's far more efficient to try and trial and error it.

my first lich is the best exsample for this as i killed him the second time it appeared. i figured out the first mods in my first encounter and while killing thralls i figured our another mod which i put into my second slot while having a random 3rd mods. these 3 mods were the correct and in the correct order.

it's pretty much rng but it it way faster than just killing thralls.

not to mention that there is no way to be sure in which order you have to place the 3 mods even if you know all of them. and the lich only spawns when enraged which only happens when you run lich missions meaning the thralls killed AFTER you already know the 3 mods gets you nothing and the lich gets stronger anyway because of this.

the biggest thing for fighting the lich is that the liches of other persons could appear after the lich is gone and maybe someone knows the correct order of mods and his lich is enraged so it would've spawned. it also gives extra murmurs to fight it. not fighting is basically hindering yourself and others from progressing especially if you have no mods to begin with as you have to farm them all anyway.

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How about you take up your grievances with DE and ask them to design a system that's actually entertaining to engage with? Because I don't find a roulette wheel that kills me if I don't hit the right number not very interesting.

So yeah, I will ignore my lich if all I can gain from it is some progress, a death and a punishment in difficulty. Because the current iteration of the Lich system is arse.

 

Literally "don't hate the player, hate the game".

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vor 13 Minuten schrieb Xpo.vos:

How about you take up your grievances with DE and ask them to design a system that's actually entertaining to engage with? Because I don't find a roulette wheel that kills me if I don't hit the right number not very interesting.

So yeah, I will ignore my lich if all I can gain from it is some progress, a death and a punishment in difficulty. Because the current iteration of the Lich system is arse.

 

Literally "don't hate the player, hate the game".

then why are you playing the lich missions? even if you figure out all 3 mods you can not be sure about the right order. in the worst case it would take 5 times to guess the order anyway andthen the lich is level 5. not to mention that you run all extra mission after figuring out the mods just to gain nothing extra from it.

yeah the lich system is too much rng and no one likes to die but why would you ruin the chances of other people confronting and maybe even killing/converting the lich when you do something that you don't seem to enjoy?

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1 minute ago, Hiirios said:

then why are you playing the lich missions? even if you figure out all 3 mods you can not be sure about the right order. in the worst case it would take 5 times to guess the order anyway andthen the lich is level 5. not to mention that you run all extra mission after figuring out the mods just to gain nothing extra from it.

yeah the lich system is to much rng and no one likes to die but why would you ruin the chances of other people confronting and maybe even killing/converting the lich when you do something that you don't seem to enjoy?

I am playing the lich missions because DE is forcing my hand. I like to collect things, which is why I play warframe. I want to collect the new weapons, because I want to keep my profile nice and complete.

The only way for me to gather the new stuff is playing the Lich missions. Except DE designed the lich missions in a complete arse from elbow way.

And I agree, even if I have all three mods, I still die a lot, because the system is a dumpsterfire. I have been asking for this 'feature' to be removed in other places.

 

As for people who are on the final stretch of their lich? Get a dedicated squad. Just like Eidolon hunts. You wanna kill 5x3 Eidolons? Get a dedicated squad. You want to kill Liches? Get a dedicated squad. Stack the deck in your favour.

And leave me to not die to a backwards game mechanic.

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hace 44 minutos, JackHargreav dijo:

I do as I please.

If I don't have the mods yet I won't attack the lich. It's that simple.

Then do not complain when other people do as they please and prevent you from finishing the mission unless you kill the lich.

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Just do mobile D and pick up the datamass. Once the lich is dead plug it in. Simple.

Otherwise just go exploring.

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