ChilliPepperCatfish Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 Well long story short, some people completely refuse to kill their own lich when it spawns, for whatever reason. If its for the murmur farming thing, then I understand but if theres no enemies, then what's the point? So many missions already I played that theres always that one guy out of four who refuses (literally just claiming that the lich is not theirs) to kill the lich. And then other people can't spawn their lich because one guy won't try to kill it. Maybe they think attempts take charges out of the requiem mods or something (they DON'T) but seriously, there has to be a work around this asides abort mission. Maybe can like, make the lich specifically target for the person who spawned it, like stalker does? I don't know, give a better reason to kill it or something. Or just make it say the player name in the transmission thingy? Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I think some people are just trolling. So many wasted sector runs because of this. 😪 Is there any other good reason to not kill the lich when it spawns, asides saving time and murmur farming?? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Test-995 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 5 minutes ago, ChilliPepperCatfish said: Well long story short, some people completely refuse to kill their own lich when it spawns, for whatever reason. If its for the murmur farming thing, then I understand but if theres no enemies, then what's the point? Killing them resets their enraged state, results no lich spawn till you grind out like 50 more thralls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChilliPepperCatfish Posted November 8, 2019 Author Share Posted November 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, Test-995 said: Killing them resets their enraged state, results no lich spawn till you grind out like 50 more thralls. Oh, my bad then I always understood it was "random" spawns when you play on the controlled area. I still don't think its a good reason to not admit they don't want to kill it but ok 🙁 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Test-995 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 Just now, ChilliPepperCatfish said: Oh, my bad then I always understood it was "random" spawns when you play on the controlled area. I still don't think its a good reason to not admit they don't want to kill it but ok 🙁 That's the reason to not kill them, not the reason to lie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoLazyShadow Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 Только что, Test-995 сказал: Killing them resets their enraged state, results no lich spawn till you grind out like 50 more thralls. Not if they are on level 5 plus Lich is guaranteed to spawn on survival/defence missions regardless of enraged level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyabi-sama Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 26 минут назад, Test-995 сказал: That's the reason to not kill them, not the reason to lie. There is no reason not to kill him in the first place. - You either farm murmurs which you also get from attempt to kill. - Or you go for the kill anyway. Other than that there is no reason to go on those missions. Some people do not like to die for their lich since it ruins their "powah funtazy" or plain trolling. Srsly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Test-995 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, NoLazyShadow said: Lich is guaranteed to spawn on survival/defence missions regardless of enraged level Looks like not true in solo survival, played 5 min (or should i just play more lul) but there was no liches. Sad. Edit; also not true in PuG defense, i had 4 player squad but only one spawned, not even mine. Edited November 8, 2019 by Test-995 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aesthier Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 Very simple solution to this. If a Kuva Lich spawns and is not killed or does not kill its target (within some variable time limit) then it simply poofs completely. This means that it no longer exists for that player and they will have to kill a Kuva Larvling again to spawn another Lich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoomFruit Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 3 hours ago, ChilliPepperCatfish said: Is there any other good reason to not kill the lich when it spawns, asides saving time and murmur farming?? Are you sure that it's a matter of them killing the lich, or would it just be the lich killing them instead. Many many people (myself included) find the idea of "press X to die" incomprehensibly stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciTiger Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 This problem is infuriating and made me stop playing the Lich system altogether. Something must be done to address this "NOW"! I've read people are hard to find in the Lich Nodes already either because they quit or they are going solo it's proof enough (even if they don't take it seriously in the forums I hope they look at the stats they like so much)! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tekmansam Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 Reason to not kill your lich also includes, not having the murmurs yet and not wanting to pointlessly level him up, making him harder for no good reason. The entire public lich match is borked for various reasons that are not conducive to cooperation. People don't want to kill their lich yet. People won't help you kill yours and just extract or abort. Nobody is incentivized to coop--this is the real problem. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciTiger Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 29 minutes ago, tekmansam said: Reason to not kill your lich also includes, not having the murmurs yet and not wanting to pointlessly level him up, making him harder for no good reason. The entire public lich match is borked for various reasons that are not conducive to cooperation. People don't want to kill their lich yet. People won't help you kill yours and just extract or abort. Nobody is incentivized to coop--this is the real problem. They can kill them to try to guess the correct mod but I understand don't wanting to lvl him up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Test-995 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 11 minutes ago, ciTiger said: They can kill them to try to guess the correct mod but I understand don't wanting to lvl him up. Unless you have the murmur "try to guess" is pointless, there is 5/8 chance to your "guessing" become meaningless work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ixidron92 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 hace 3 minutos, Test-995 dijo: Unless you have the murmur "try to guess" is pointless, there is 5/8 chance to your "guessing" become meaningless work. Worse. You have a 1/8 chance of getting the first right, 1/7 of getting the second and 1/6 of getting the third and the combined chance is 0.3%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Test-995 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, ixidron92 said: Worse. You have a 1/8 chance of getting the first right, 1/7 of getting the second and 1/6 of getting the third and the combined chance is 0.3%. Well, at least your work isn't wasted if you failed to get first, but your mod was on the murmur. But to understand it you have to get murmurs anyway... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciTiger Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 16 minutes ago, Test-995 said: Unless you have the murmur "try to guess" is pointless, there is 5/8 chance to your "guessing" become meaningless work. I did get it right once so there's that but afterwards people started to refuse to kill their own Lich and for some reason mine was never first to spawn... Yes I had to go solo and I eventually quit the systems altogether. Even if you get it wrong you can keep trying the rest of the combinations, although it's painful to die and see him becoming increasingly strong you might get lucky. "You might get lucky" RNGesus at its best... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Test-995 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 6 minutes ago, ciTiger said: I did get it right once so there's that but afterwards people started to refuse to kill their own Lich and for some reason mine was never first to spawn... Yes I had to go solo and I eventually quit the systems altogether. Even if you get it wrong you can keep trying the rest of the combinations, although it's painful to die and see him becoming increasingly strong you might get lucky. "You might get lucky" RNGesus at its best... Who want to go RNG way when there is non RNG way? It's not even fair choice or anything, using some random requiem mods without murmur is plain waste especially when you need to grind thralls to spawn your lich anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciTiger Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 13 minutes ago, Test-995 said: Who want to go RNG way when there is non RNG way? It's not even fair choice or anything, using some random requiem mods without murmur is plain waste especially when you need to grind thralls to spawn your lich anyways. It's not waste because you can get all 3 mods before 3 murmur reveals but its again RNG great RNG but it's faster so people might prefer it, I know I do. And time being so critical I find it hard to believe I'm the only one... Sure you risk having an all powerful Lich with a mighty army and some don't want to handle that I understand but some can and welcome it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Test-995 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 52 minutes ago, ciTiger said: It's not waste because you can get all 3 mods before 3 murmur reveals but its again RNG great RNG but it's faster so people might prefer it, I know I do. And time being so critical I find it hard to believe I'm the only one... Sure you risk having an all powerful Lich with a mighty army and some don't want to handle that I understand but some can and welcome it! So be it, i won't believe it, and looks like bunch of other people won't, too. If someone actually post a data about expected kill time for either way (no unnecessary kill VS always kill), and if latter is faster, i'm mostly sure lot more people would do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoLazyShadow Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 7 часов назад, Test-995 сказал: Looks like not true in solo survival, played 5 min (or should i just play more lul) but there was no liches. Sad. Edit; also not true in PuG defense, i had 4 player squad but only one spawned, not even mine. Probably got 'fixed'... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aldain Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 3 hours ago, tekmansam said: Reason to not kill your lich also includes, not having the murmurs yet and not wanting to pointlessly level him up, making him harder for no good reason. The entire public lich match is borked for various reasons that are not conducive to cooperation. People don't want to kill their lich yet. People won't help you kill yours and just extract or abort. Nobody is incentivized to coop--this is the real problem. That's the crux of the issue. Also many people don't like having to die just to drive them off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciTiger Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 On 2019-11-08 at 7:00 PM, Aldain said: That's the crux of the issue. Also many people don't like having to die just to drive them off. Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciTiger Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 (edited) This needs to be addressed, there are still countless posts about this in the forums. Is DE expecting us to be quiet and take it as it it? I did another Lich yesterday (after almost a week of not doing it) and things seemed a little different... Lack of interest, which seems dangerous territory for something launched a week ago. Guess I'll finish this one and go back to something else again. Edited November 11, 2019 by ciTiger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MystMan Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 On 2019-11-08 at 11:01 AM, Test-995 said: Looks like not true in solo survival, played 5 min (or should i just play more lul) but there was no liches. Sad. Same experience here. After each reset, it consistently won't spawn again until at least the status of "Fuming" has been reached. And that takes some time grinding thralls. That's why I solo it or play with friends who also leave their lich alive. I know other people are more fortunate and their lich spawn all the time regardless of their mood level; well I'm not a fortunate person I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChilliPepperCatfish Posted November 11, 2019 Author Share Posted November 11, 2019 On 2019-11-08 at 7:50 PM, DoomFruit said: Many many people (myself included) find the idea of "press X to die" incomprehensibly stupid. I agree with you too on this. Just throw us into bleedout or something 😞 On 2019-11-08 at 10:41 PM, tekmansam said: not having the murmurs yet and not wanting to pointlessly level him up Makes sense, and I strongly agree about the not wanting to pointlessly level it up. Maybe make the lich level up when you discover a correct requiem? So basically 3 levels, but they scale abit harder... That way it will be strongest when you're ready to kill it. Maybe abit too strong. I don't know 🤣 Tbh, I would be perfectly content with the current system if murmur farming was less tedious. Either that, or make levelling the lich up rewarding. ~rewardsss~ Here's to hoping some good stuff comes out of this 😄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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